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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:58 AM May 2016

The two parties are held in contempt by most voters

and political identification with the two parties has been stagnant for years. There are far more independents than either democrats are republicans.

Republicans: 26%

Democrats: 29%

Independents: 42%


Couple this with other factors, like Sanders raising huge amounts of money independent from the party establishment and the strong anti-establishment sentiments that show no sign of diminishing, and I think we could see more and more people running as independents.

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The two parties are held in contempt by most voters (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Then quit whining and start your own party. Trust Buster May 2016 #1
President Drumpf will end all life as we know it, parties dont matter anymore. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #2
If party's don't matter anymore, why do some continue to whine about them ? Trust Buster May 2016 #3
They matter now but wont after the election, because the destruction Drumpf will Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #4
I don't have to. Vermont has a wonderful, viable third party cali May 2016 #5
I took nothing personally by asking the logical question that, those who constantly complain about Trust Buster May 2016 #7
Lol. You personalized it. As anyone can see cali May 2016 #11
The OP makes an observation, you call it 'whining' as if the observation was the OP's personal Bluenorthwest May 2016 #12
Or maybe the Democratic Party could take steps to regain support? Redwoods Red May 2016 #8
lulz Rex May 2016 #10
You are encouraging people to leave the party? U4ikLefty May 2016 #21
True -- despite what some insist. KPN May 2016 #6
So is fiscal reality Recursion May 2016 #9
So you favor a rule by elites? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #13
In a contest between voters and math, math wins Recursion May 2016 #18
We might well. This diffusion of power away Hortensis May 2016 #14
Because most people have unrealistic expectations about life because of pandering politicians and Yavin4 May 2016 #15
Compromise is a bad word in this country nowadays. Too many self righteous people. Trust Buster May 2016 #16
When you have pols promising free college or bringing back coal jobs Yavin4 May 2016 #17
^^ Yeah (nt) Recursion May 2016 #19
I know. I've never seen such unrealistic political goals from both extremes like I see now. Trust Buster May 2016 #20

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
4. They matter now but wont after the election, because the destruction Drumpf will
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

implement will be overwhelming, that last thing we will think about is political parties.

I wish I was exaggerating, I am not of course

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. I don't have to. Vermont has a wonderful, viable third party
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

In any case, this isn't about me. It's about looking at the current political landscape in this country.

You take everything way too personally.

https://progressiveparty.org/

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. I took nothing personally by asking the logical question that, those who constantly complain about
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

the two political parties, think about starting their own party. What you refer to as "too personal", I call common sense.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. The OP makes an observation, you call it 'whining' as if the observation was the OP's personal
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

complaint. Here's another observation: most Americans who are eligible to vote at all. Pointing out that sad and indicting fact about our election process is not whining, it's reporting on fact. It should be pointed out constantly until it changes.

 

Redwoods Red

(137 posts)
8. Or maybe the Democratic Party could take steps to regain support?
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

Suggesting that people "start your own party" may not be a winning strategy for Democrats.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. So is fiscal reality
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

Seriously. Most voters want lower taxes and higher spending.

Neither party promises that. So most voters hate both parties. "Most voters" are not who should be deciding things.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. So you favor a rule by elites?
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

To say 'most voters should not have a say' is to oppose democracy in a very basic way, is it not?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. We might well. This diffusion of power away
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

from central foci is a planetary phenomenon affecting virtually every type of human organization and has been happening with political parties for some time.

It was your heading that caught my attention, though. Really? Who deserves contempt more than "most voters" themselves?

It's almost a law of nature that those least deserving to judge others are the quickest to judge and the most condemnatory and punitive -- and, guess what, it's always all someone else's fault.

Btw, it is happening already. Voters independently of the GOP this time around chose themselves a Trump, and in a better world those people alone would have to live with the results of their despicable behavior. But this isn't a better world, is it? It would be wise to worry about that.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
15. Because most people have unrealistic expectations about life because of pandering politicians and
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

the media. For example, Bernie Sanders and right wing talk radio.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
17. When you have pols promising free college or bringing back coal jobs
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

when a president can do neither, then their supporters will see compromise as the reason why these things don't get done.

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