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packman

(16,296 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:21 PM May 2016

In case you ever wondered - How would I diagram that sentence about buffalos?

The sentence:


"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a grammatically correct sentence in American English




Whew, now I'm going into the backyard and watch my tomatoes grow.

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In case you ever wondered - How would I diagram that sentence about buffalos? (Original Post) packman May 2016 OP
Oh I do feel old now. Not only do I understand it, I was one of the libdem4life May 2016 #1
I diagrammed sentences in grammar school. CrispyQ May 2016 #2
You just need salad dressing for her sentences. libdem4life May 2016 #3
The loss of phonics was a disaster............ mrmpa May 2016 #8
Back in the day, you couldnt take French or Spanish without two years of Latin. CTyankee May 2016 #13
Absolutely...same here. libdem4life May 2016 #15
I can still conjugate my Latin verbs malaise May 2016 #16
there's a funny Newyorker cartoon of a guy in a prison cell and a teacher is conjugating "amo, CTyankee May 2016 #23
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise May 2016 #24
Yes, Immersion...I had even blocked the title of it. Same with my son... libdem4life May 2016 #17
"New math" was a product of the late fifties and early sixties Brother Buzz May 2016 #9
That's what I did with my elementary classes. We learned it the old fashioned libdem4life May 2016 #18
I bet it wasn't an acyclic graph! scscholar May 2016 #7
I liked diagramming eom LiberalElite May 2016 #12
Me, too. It was like a putting a puzzle together. And when you figured libdem4life May 2016 #19
In 7th grade (the first year we changed classes), we had two "English" classes Rhiannon12866 May 2016 #20
You just reminded me of another "modern" trend...no spelling. libdem4life May 2016 #22
Buffalo is a nice city mindem May 2016 #4
I don't understand the sentence. Chillidog May 2016 #5
Me neither . annabanana May 2016 #6
. struggle4progress May 2016 #11
Is this the same thing? Chillidog May 2016 #14
It's not very well written struggle4progress May 2016 #10
Does anyone here know of an available book or Greybnk48 May 2016 #21
Found some on the Google.... Lars39 May 2016 #25
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. Oh I do feel old now. Not only do I understand it, I was one of the
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

last educators to actually Teach it. I thought it was fun, and so did my students. It was like a puzzle where they actually visually learned grammar. Maybe that's why the term Grammar School is no longer used. Because it used to be a big part of the curriculum.

CrispyQ

(36,462 posts)
2. I diagrammed sentences in grammar school.
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

In 2008 I tried to diagram a Palin sentence & almost went insane.



ps - I had not noticed the change from grammar school to grade school.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. You just need salad dressing for her sentences.
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

To be honest, I hadn't thought of it until responding to your post...the change in Grammar School. It was in the 70s...Prop 13 gutted the educational system.

It was about that time that they laid the New Math on us. And the reading programs dropped phonics. I left the profession...couldn't stand the "dumbing down" then "teaching to the test" which I Never Did.

I had my student loans paid off by my 5 years of service. That was the good thing that came out of it, other than 5 years worth of mostly adorable kids.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
8. The loss of phonics was a disaster............
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

if I'm not mistaken, phonics had it's beginnings during WWII. A large percentage of draftees were illiterate and had to be taught to read and write. Phonics was the process used to train these men.

I loved phonics, I had phonics workbooks that were great to do. I think my love for reading is because I was taught an easy and effortless way to read.

I have a nephew who had problems learning to read. The school was into the "immersion" way to read. (I didn't understand it). My brother and his wife had to get a tutor, he utilized phonics with him. Reading is not my nephew's favorite leisure activity, but between the phonics and his grandmother getting him Captain Underpants books, he eventually read the Harry Potter series and graduated from college.

I also think phonics should be used in teaching ESL.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
13. Back in the day, you couldnt take French or Spanish without two years of Latin.
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:11 PM
May 2016

Apart from math, Latin was the most important and relevant courses I ever had. I could figure out the meaning of so many words based on my knowledge of Latin.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
23. there's a funny Newyorker cartoon of a guy in a prison cell and a teacher is conjugating "amo,
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:30 PM
May 2016

amas, amat" on a tearsheet. The prisoner is saying "I guess I got the wrong idea of what a 'conjugal visit' would be."

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. Yes, Immersion...I had even blocked the title of it. Same with my son...
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

after I volunteered in his 1st grade class (I home schooled him for Kindergarten) I was dumbstruck. Being a former teacher, I talked with the teacher afterwards...about my age...and she just looked down and said...I know, but what can I do?

Phonics and parts of speech makes Spanish exceedingly easy to learn. It is all phonetic and because of some of the "switches" of noun verb, adjective, you have to know what they are.

I had to teach my son both reading and math (he got to use his fingers and toes) or tongue depressors...whatever was easy to count and rubber band into 10s. It's so easy that way.

BTW, I didn't know that about WWI. That's pretty incredible.

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
9. "New math" was a product of the late fifties and early sixties
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

My mother, a mathematician and compulsive counter, taught me old math so I could understand and appreciate 'New Math". Go figure.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
18. That's what I did with my elementary classes. We learned it the old fashioned
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

way then it was easy to make the transition. It did fall out of favor, as I recall, after a couple of years. Some of the test scores were horrendous...but my kids did great. I didn't teach to the test, but since they were young and had never taken those kinds of tests, we did practice the format.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
19. Me, too. It was like a putting a puzzle together. And when you figured
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

out where the last word went, it was complete. That's how I taught it...like a puzzle and they got it.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
20. In 7th grade (the first year we changed classes), we had two "English" classes
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:26 AM
May 2016

One was spelling and reading, the other was "grammar" where we discussed parts of speech (still remember that long list of prepositions ) and that's where I learned to diagram sentences.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
22. You just reminded me of another "modern" trend...no spelling.
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

My son was required to use a computer to do his (very few) papers and use spell check. Also, they were given calculators to do their math.

I was fit to be tied. I had to give him half his education at home...phonics, math and grammar.

One thing I didn't do, because it is so tedious and would have been a struggle, was penmanship...cursive writing. There is way more to that than just curving letters into a solid word.

California education...using that term loosely. I hope they have gone back to at least some educational sanity.

Chillidog

(4 posts)
5. I don't understand the sentence.
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:09 PM
May 2016

I understand "Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo."

i.e. Bison from Buffalo harass bison from Buffalo.

These aren't the five words with which (!) you started your sentence, and I don't understand the last three buffalo's.

Chillidog

(4 posts)
14. Is this the same thing?
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

"Boys who eat carrots, eat carrots."

Where does it stop?

"Boys are boys."

This might be poetry, but somehow it doesn't seem to me to express a thought or otherwise do whatever language is supposed to do.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
21. Does anyone here know of an available book or
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:39 AM
May 2016

a website where diagramming sentences is taught or explained? An English teacher friend of mine and I tried to find something several years ago and no luck. Anyone know?

Thanks in advance. I may not answer this right away as I have to leave o go somewhere. When I saw this post it excited me because of the possibility of finding a resource.

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