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Sums it up (Original Post) hobbit709 May 2016 OP
It can't be a plantation if there is no slavery, no chains, can it ? n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #1
Corporate Socialism Cryptoad May 2016 #6
That's an oxymoron. n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #7
Thats what they want u to think,,,,,, Cryptoad May 2016 #11
No, that's just a fact. It's just that there are a whole bunch of denialists of all kinds jtuck004 May 2016 #14
The way it works is mooseprime May 2016 #23
There is nothing social about stealing from people or making excuses for the people who do. jtuck004 May 2016 #45
If Bob gets too much help he may work less. marble falls May 2016 #2
Bob is a Walton wannabe. dchill May 2016 #36
The welfare for the 1% is the elephant in the room Hydra May 2016 #3
Plus, if you think about it, dreamnightwind May 2016 #26
I include that as part of their welfare Hydra May 2016 #28
But they've done a great job of convincing us that poor people are the enemy. Initech May 2016 #31
KnR SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #4
Yeah, chervilant May 2016 #5
Trump wants to give u a pay cut,,,! Cryptoad May 2016 #9
How can that even be? n/t SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #16
Welcome to the Corporate Oligarchy. chervilant May 2016 #21
There are millions in the same boat. And yet the President wants new trade deals. Enthusiast May 2016 #42
Indeed, there are millions of us. chervilant May 2016 #44
That is awful! Enthusiast May 2016 #46
How is your company getting away with paying you less than minimum wage? SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #47
Many, many companies chervilant May 2016 #48
More like a distracting over-simplification missing the mark. L. Coyote May 2016 #8
Look at Union-Breaking policy since St Reagan.......... Cryptoad May 2016 #10
I'll add home ownership trends. L. Coyote May 2016 #12
I look at the union busting that came with NAFTA. LiberalArkie May 2016 #13
Not just corporate Major Nikon May 2016 #17
Plus, the Bush tax breaks for the rich, it all adds up rule by plutocrazy. L. Coyote May 2016 #20
I'd like to see charts for everything mentioned in this sub-thread. I'd love to throw something.... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #33
Boeing has excuse. Fierce battle with Airbus which is highly subsidized ErikJ May 2016 #15
Airbus is a European product. Airbus gets subsidized from tax money. JDPriestly May 2016 #25
True, and the numbers are actually much smaller, according to WTO findings bhikkhu May 2016 #38
Truth MissDeeds May 2016 #18
subsides? Skittles May 2016 #19
This is the post of the evening! PatrickforO May 2016 #22
K & R Thespian2 May 2016 #24
K & R! TIME TO PANIC May 2016 #27
Bob is a taker, Boeing is a maker! BillZBubb May 2016 #29
Yep, I think you got them all. 😂 AgadorSparticus May 2016 #35
Yes. It's really very simple. Enthusiast May 2016 #41
For all the Trump supporters shadowmayor May 2016 #30
Well, I wouldn't say "for no reason" progressoid May 2016 #32
Huge +1! Enthusiast May 2016 #40
K & R nt TeamPooka May 2016 #34
K&R! dchill May 2016 #37
K&R! This post should receive hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast May 2016 #39
but but but terrorists! Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #43
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
14. No, that's just a fact. It's just that there are a whole bunch of denialists of all kinds
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

who profit from trying to make others believe something different.


mooseprime

(474 posts)
23. The way it works is
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

they privatize the profits but socialize the risks. Bankers get to keep all the money and when they screw up we all get to bail them out. More welfare than socialism really.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
45. There is nothing social about stealing from people or making excuses for the people who do.
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:12 AM
May 2016

"Soon it became taken for granted than in any large shop where union-building was underway, at least one company spy was in the works somewhere.

Nobody, however, knew the extent of this spy operation. It was not until 1936,when the LaFollette Committee of the U.S. Senate initiated a two-year investigation of industrial espionage against labor unions, that it became clear what the industrial unionists had been up against. A nationwide network of professional spies and strikebreakers, employed by private agencies who sold their services to the most powerful corporations in the land at an annual cost of $80 million, had been operating night and day against union-minded men and women"

Them and Us
James J. Matles
James HIggins
United Electrical Radio,and Machine Workers of America

A web-based inflation calculator says this about $80 million in 1936, today...

"What cost $80000000 in 1936 would cost $1,382,846,372.63 in 2015.
Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2015 and 1936,
they would cost you $80000000 and $4698244.59 respectively."

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ <Even if this is halfway correct, it's too much

i.e.,Most likely they aren't spending a dollar less than that today.

Hint: If you are speaking with someone who says they are on the side of the people, but think it is a good idea to insult other people on your side using the arguments of the right, re-read the above.

It's certainly worthy considering whether they may have a dirty, filthy secret in their scab closet.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. The welfare for the 1% is the elephant in the room
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

And they want MORE. And they want to take it away from the people who need it most.

Who cares if the bottom 20% die off? The 1% need another shiny gold toy.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
26. Plus, if you think about it,
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:56 PM
May 2016

pretty much the entire military and "security" budget is welfare for the 1%. Or did I miss something and the Canadians and Mexicans are ready to invade? I wish the Canadians would, I would welcome Canadian overlords if they replaced the capitalist overlords.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
28. I include that as part of their welfare
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:11 AM
May 2016

They are basically funneled taxpayer money through Military spending, Wall St. giveaways and all the free services they benefit from.

And it's not enough for them!

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
5. Yeah,
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

you should see the looks I get when I use my EBT card. I work three 24 hour shifts a week, get paid for only 36 hours, and earn just $244 a week.

Good thing I love my work...

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
21. Welcome to the Corporate Oligarchy.
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:14 PM
May 2016

Jobs are scarce as hen's teeth where I live. And, at 60 years old, with an advanced degree, I've had too many doors slammed in my face.

I also qualify for Medicaid.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
44. Indeed, there are millions of us.
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:56 AM
May 2016

Unemployment among women my age increased 330% in the first five years of this decade.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
46. That is awful!
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016
It's almost as if some powerful behind the scene cabal look upon the American people as an enemy. I guess we dare to expect a living wage, health care and education.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
48. Many, many companies
Mon May 16, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

are paying pitiful wages these days. My company alleges that we get three one hour meals, two thirty minute breaks and eight hours of sleep for every twenty-four hour shift. That leaves 12 hours when we "actually work." Never mind that as a caregiver for the elderly, I rarely get that much time to myself.

It's a racket, and people where I live are too poor and too marginalized to make a stand against such shenanigans.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
8. More like a distracting over-simplification missing the mark.
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

Look to corporate taxation trends since Reagan was elected and you will see a bigger picture.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
12. I'll add home ownership trends.
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

After Reagan was elected, the housing industry building homes for working families disappeared, and it was all apartments and mansions for rich Republicans.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
13. I look at the union busting that came with NAFTA.
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

The best way to bust up a union is the not have any members.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. Not just corporate
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

Income from capital gains used to be taxed at the same rate as wage income and was highly progressive. Now the capital gains tax is half the rate of wage income for those at the top. Income now is almost completely regressive when you consider total taxation. Those at the top enjoy some of the lowest tax rates for all Americans while those at the bottom have seen their rates go up.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
33. I'd like to see charts for everything mentioned in this sub-thread. I'd love to throw something....
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:38 AM
May 2016

....like that at the next ronnie raygun worshiper who opens their big mouth.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. Boeing has excuse. Fierce battle with Airbus which is highly subsidized
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and_Boeing

The competition between Airbus and Boeing has been characterised as a duopoly in the large jet airliner market since the 1990s.[1] This resulted from a series of mergers within the global aerospace industry, with Airbus beginning as a European consortium while the American Boeing absorbed its former arch-rival, McDonnell Douglas in a 1997 merger. Other manufacturers, such as Lockheed Martin, Convair and Fairchild Aircraft in the United States and British Aerospace and Fokker in Europe, were no longer in a position to compete effectively and withdrew from this market.

In the 10 years from 2004 to 2014, Airbus has received 8,933 orders while delivering 4,824, and Boeing has received 8,428 orders while delivering 4,458. Due to intense competition, each company regularly accuses the other of receiving unfair state aid from their respective governments.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. Airbus is a European product. Airbus gets subsidized from tax money.
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:53 PM
May 2016

In Europe, the citizens generally also get subsidized -- from their own tax money, the same tax money that subsidizes the Airbus. There are not many homeless, totally destitute people. Healthcare is universal and single payer practically everywhere. College tuition is free in a number of countries and very affordable in others. Free pre-school at least half-day from age 3 up is the rule. People are paid pretty well compared to their bosses. Those who lose their jobs get a lot of help.

Boeing is an American product. Boeing gets subsidized.

But the American people don't get subsidized very much -- not even from their own tax money, the tax money that subsidizes Boeing. We have huge numbers of homeless, destitute people. If you have income, you pay for health insurance that makes a profit from your payments. Healthcare insurance is neither universal nor single payer. College tuition puts you in debt for many years unless your parents are rich and can pay for it or maybe you get full, full, full scholarship help. Parents have to work because most families need two incomes, and out of those incomes in addition to outrageous rents, they have to pay for day-care. Bosses are paid many, many times the amount that ordinary working people are paid. Those who lose their jobs get some help but it isn't much, and jobs are hard to find and don't pay well compared to the cost of living.

Europe is not utopia, but the subsidy given to Airbus is not such a big deal because ordinary people get subsidies in Europe too.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
38. True, and the numbers are actually much smaller, according to WTO findings
Mon May 16, 2016, 03:26 AM
May 2016

...where the EU counter-sued in response to the suit against Airbus. Good article here: http://www.boeing.com/company/key-orgs/government-operations/wto.page

Not that I disagree with the sentiment of the OP, but it really sums up nothing by using Boeing as an example.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
29. Bob is a taker, Boeing is a maker!
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:29 AM
May 2016

And Bob's wife and child are takers too. And why is Bob having a kid when he can't afford it? Bob should have made better choices. Plus, we'll always have poor people, so Bob is just where he needs to be--it's the natural order.

Why all the tears for Bob? Boeing is people too.

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