Trump: When I Said ‘Punishment,’ I Meant Women Should Punish Themselves for Abortion

[MrWendel]

http://www.mediaite.com/print/trump-when-i-said-punishment-i-meant-women-should-punish-themselves-for-abortion/

by Alex Griswold



In a New York Times profile of Donald Trump‘s campaign, the candidate walked back his comments to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews that women should receive “some form of punishment” if they seek an abortion, saying he actually wanted women to punish themselves.

“I didn’t mean punishment for women like prison,” he said. “I’m saying women punish themselves. I didn’t want people to think in terms of ‘prison’ punishment. And because of that I walked it back.”

But the Times reporter Robert Draper dug around and got the real story. Trump “initially saw nothing wrong with his remark and refused to walk it back,” and issued a short noncommittal statement. Trump suddenly changed his mind when he was swamped with questions and requests for comment from over a hundred media outlets.

He then turned to his ally New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and got his team to write another statement. The result was what the public saw: two separate statements with completely contradictory responses released within an hour of each other.

[Actor]

1. Donald Trump has proven repeatedly he very much dislikes women.

If he is allowed to become president, he will do great harm to many groups, women among them.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. he just says anything he feels like and goes back and forth

he just lusts power. People especially women don't matter to him unless he can use them. Someone said "he would step over his dead mother to make a buck"

[shraby]

2. What's his reasoning behind the statement? Isn't the abortion itself punishment enough to

suit him? Most women who find they need one, do a lot of agonizing just making the decision.
Why are men presuming to tell women what to do and how to feel and how to act in a situation like this when in most cases, men are the reason the woman is pregnant in the first place.

Let's look at some of the men's responses to a pregnancy.
Some walk away and offer no support
Some rape then deny it
Some abuse the woman
Some let the woman know they won't be hired to a job if they are pregnant
Some have some choice words for a woman in that condition
Some have an attitude like Trump.

This is just some of the negative responses. I'm sure there are more.
There are many who are good husbands and men and offer their wives/girl companions lots of support. Those aren't the ones I'm including.

[REP]

18. Abortion isn't any sort of punishment. It's a simple medical procedure.

While some women "do a lot of agonizing" over the decision, the fact is, most women do not, nor do they regret their decision or have any negative sequelae because of it. Please do not perpetuate right-wing lies and hate speech. Thank you.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Thank you.

[usedtobedemgurl]

53. Seconding this.

I had an abortion. I did not agonize over it and nor did I regret it for even a second. I did what had to be done. It was legal and I am not ashamed.

[lark]

58. Totally agree

I know quite a few women who've had abortions and none of them are tortured with recriminations about their choice. They did what they had to do at a certain point in their lives, period the end. I am sure there are probably some religious women who agonize over their decision, but that's certainly not the case with most.

[Shrike47]

77. I am old. I remember when abortion involved seedy motel rooms, drunk providers, no hygiene.

Trump wants us back in that situation, it sounds like.

[procon]

30. Oh god... That's a facepalm. nt

[condoleeza]

60. Yeah, that makes it all better, Donald……………….

[shraby]

102. I'm afraid you people have misunderstood what I was saying.

[passiveporcupine]

104. the Donald probably thinks

the decision to abort or not to abort is about as simple as deciding pink or red nail polish.

Because I don't think he thinks women have brains.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. This is SELF-DEPORTATION in another form

Trump is, at essence, a narcissistic DRAMA QUEEN

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Trump is winging it. He never expected to get this far.

It was always about generating publicity for his brand.

He didn't realize two things:

1) His brand is misogyny, bigotry and ignorance.

2) The base for that is deep, but he hasn't realized just how narrow it is yet.

He's making up stuff as he goes along.

[RogueTrooper]

50. I would add Racism the his brand description

Seeing has his old man was a Klucker and he is, most definitely, his father's son.

[awoke_in_2003]

75. "He never expected to get this far"

Part of me thinks this is performance art gone horribly wrong. He was looking for publicity, and now things have spun out of control.

[L. Coyote]

91. And I thought it was just the creeping dementia. Maybe a combination of who he is and his decline.

Were it not for his incipient Alzheimer's, I doubt he would have even run for president, he still would have known better.

[Soxfan58]

5. Millions

Accept that as a excuse...Sad 😟

[MariaThinks]

6. is he saying then that mention should not be punishing themselves?

[hamsterjill]

7. He's telling yet another lie.

Trump opens his mouth and stupid shit comes out. Then, he gets in trouble for it.

His handlers tell him that he did a bad thing, so he tries to walk it back.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Can't the American public see that he'll say anything to pander to his base and try to get votes? How could anyone trust this man with the nuclear codes!!!

[rtracey]

10. no

No because his supporters are the ones who act the way he does. Look at the tapes, look at the rally tapes, most men there are arrogant, cretin types who most likely are racist, wife (walk behind me) type jerks. The women are similar, racist , arrogant stepford wives that are just doing what their husbands want.

I got juried yesterday for saying something pertaining to the election, trump winning, dems who dont vote for the nominee get what they deserve, but seriously, do you want this guy in there.... Is Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sander that much worse to allow Trump to win....WE all need to open our idiot eyes, this narcissistic, arrogant, cretin could win.... think about that...I'm trying not too.

[hamsterjill]

13. Oh, I take nothing for granted where Republicans are concerned.

I've said it ad nauseam: I'm from Texas, and I never ever believed I'd see someone as stupid as George W. Bush sitting in the White House.

Damn straight there's a chance he can win. That's why I WILL be voting for the Democratic nominee, and why everyone else should be doing the same thing.

[PJMcK]

89. Very well said, hamsterjill

Since anything is possible in this country of ours, it scares me deeply that Mr. Trump could be the next president.

I intend to vote straight Democratic.

[spanone]

8. full. of. shit.

he is.

[rtracey]

9. you

Trump, (and I hope he sees this) you are a fucking liar

[trueblue2007]

11. TRUMP IS A LIAR. that is NOT what he said when he was interviewed by Chris Matthews

That is NOT what he said. HE SAID THE WOMAN SHOULD BE PUNISHED .... like jail or something.

now he is changing his tune. just because women HATE HIS FILTHY, LYING, EVIL guts.
(i don't like him, can't you tell)

[jpak]

12. Maybe they should "self deport"

Lying sack of shit

yup

[mysuzuki2]

14. H mother should punish herself

for not getting an abortion.

[lastlib]

88. And his Daddy needs to be horsewhipped......

...for not letting it run down his leg.

[Nye Bevan]

15. I wonder how he'll do with the female vote? (nt)

[phazed0]

16. He's going to win vs Hillary. Mark my words. Too bad, we could have it with Bernie. nt

[OldHippieChick]

17. Any port in a storm eh?

Are you proud of this belief? Do you truly want Trump to win? What is your agenda?

[phazed0]

20. It's called polling. Deny it if you will

You think Trump won't have ammo and a backbone against Hillary? Delirious. These "new" Dems are spineless corporate tools.

[OldHippieChick]

23. You miss my point and it is obvious

Of course there is ammo. You are just using any OP to give your anti-Hillary posts and it it tired and boring. Want to vote for Trump, go ahead.

[Skittles]

26. CORRECT

I am sick of them too - I would support either Hillary or Bernie, whoever is the nominee - I am DISGUSTED with these assholes who scream SHE WILL LOSE when they have zero intention of supporting her if she is the nominee

[Egnever]

27. You think Hillary will just lay down for Trump?

The difference between the two is there is nothing new with Hillary. There are mountains of shit that has yet to be brought up about trump.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

38. All newbys posting at Democratic Underground do not fit that criteria...

Lumping them all together is like racism or sexism. Like any rational person, I'd vote for Satan (if the religious icon was real) before I would cast my vote for Trump. There are plenty of Trump-trolls with thousands of comments to their credit. Many of those posts attacks on newbys at DU, who obviously advocated a Democratic candidate.

[phazed0]

39. Yes I'm for Sanders..

And will not vote for Hillary (Been there done that with the Clintons) - I'll write-in Bernie if I have to. I'm done with the theft of this country and its Democracy.

[COLGATE4]

56. Mr. Trump thanks you for your support.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

22. It actually appears that this newby wants Sanders to win.

Let's not judge new members of Democratic Underground, over a single post. In fact, depending on an FBI investigation, Clinton could win and then lose the White House. Comey, who served under Bush, appears to have a political agenda.

[phazed0]

34. Exhibit #1

[RockaFowler]

70. 6 MONTHS

Uh President Romney was ahead of Obama at this point, too

[jmowreader]

85. Bernie would have lost 49 states

The last Democratic candidate to promise to raise taxes if he was elected was Walter Mondale. Vice President Mondale lost all but one state, and Mondale didn't have albatrosses around his neck like never having worked as anything but a politician, getting evicted for stealing electricity from his landlord, being a deadbeat dad, honeymooning in the Soviet Union, flying to Nicaragua to apologize to an enemy of the United States for America's foreign policy, two trips to Cuba, having a wife that bankrupted a college, or working on the only Marxist kibbutz in all Israel.

The GOP also knows all that, and they'd use it against him. The race would be over in August.

Hillary has a long track record of going up against Republicans and winning. Bernie Sanders can't even win the state he was born in.

[Egnever]

19. LOL keep digging

This guy is such a tool.

[phazed0]

21. Yeah, because you bring such insight, lol. nt

[Egnever]

24. You think this ridiculous explanation helps trump?

I am not sure what you are saying here.

Maybe I was not clear.

I don't think Trumps excuses help him a bit. In other words he is still digging and is a huge tool.

I don't understand your response at all.

[phazed0]

25. Maybe my mistake..

I swear your reply showed up as a reply to my post, not the OPs!?

On topic, yeah, I think it does help Trump.. he can say anything and there is no recourse or fact checking or 'care' for truth.. why should this one be any different? The media nor DNC isn't going to call him on it.

[Egnever]

28. "there is no recourse or fact checking or 'care' for truth"

What do you base that on?

[phazed0]

32. He hasn't said anything truthful and he's winning unimpeded. nt

[Egnever]

33. The only thing he won is the republican primary

in a field where there were no good choices and the vote was split. He captured the 30% of the republican base that are outright racists assholes plus a few percent. That does not make him a winner.

[phazed0]

35. We'll see...

[Egnever]

36. Silly

Polls right now mean nothing. The general campaign hasn't even started yet.

At this point in 2008 there were polls showing Obama and Mcain as a tight race and we all know how that turned out.

[phazed0]

37. Funny how this is the first election in my experience where polls no longer matter... how convenient

That's an MSM talking point.

[Egnever]

41. You must not have paid attention to many elections.

in 92 for example in may polling was Clinton 25% bush 35%

in 2000 in april it was Bush 47 gore 41

in 2008 Obama was losing to Mcain , Obama 42% Mcain 48%

in 2012 Obama was losing to Romney... Obama 44% Romney 48%


Tell me again how may polling is in anyway indicative of where the election will end up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections

[phazed0]

42. By your logic, because Hillary is up in the poll by a point or two vs trump..

Then you prove 'a' point that the polls are reversed... of which the outcome would be Trump wins, correct?

I'm not claiming that polls are the end-all, that's ridiculous. However, it does give an indication of some magnitude. But to claim you have some barometer better than polling, please share... or tell the Hillary camp to stop using polling in their arguments here on DU... that would be a sight.

[Egnever]

45. You miss the logic completely

but here is a much better barometer.

https://electionbettingodds.com/

That is people putting their money where there mouth is and those markets have been more accurate than the polls. When those odds get close then I will reconsider Trumps chances of winning but as it stands I am going with the money.

[phazed0]

46. We'll just have to agree to disagree..

and like I said, we'll see.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

40. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS PHENOMENON. It is occurring with increasing frequency

phazed0 said, "I swear your reply showed up as a reply to my post, not the OPs!?" Now, I will simply ask the newby point-blank: Are you planning to vote for Trump or waste your vote on a write-in candidate?

[phazed0]

44. No vote is wasted the only vote wasted is the one not cast.. write in for Bernie for me.

Can't bring myself to vote against myself.

[SunSeeker]

61. A write-in is a vote for Trump. You would be voting against yourself.

[phazed0]

63. Funny, it looks like a vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump when it comes to the GE...

Not only that, I don't find Hillary as much of an alternative.

[SunSeeker]

64. Please peddle your false equivalence bullshit elsewhere. nt

[phazed0]

65. Yes, please do..

"A write-in is a vote for Trump. You would be voting against yourself." - SunSeeker

False equivalency? Yeah. Why don't you peddle your bullshit elsewhere, you hypocrite.

[SunSeeker]

66. No, this is a site for Democrats. You are the one who is in the wrong place. nt

[phazed0]

67. Lol, a bot-like reply..

Obviously misleading the argument that you are a hypocrite that think he/she is allowed to tell others in a Democratic society what to do, while you get to break the rules you give to others.. you will make a great Hillary supporter. No thought, no critical thinking.

Lol, what a sad one we have here.

[SunSeeker]

68. They are not my rules, they are the DU Terms of Service.

Since you are "new" here, I suggest you brush up on them.

[phazed0]

69. Um... more bot-replies... Hillary's "Correct the Record" is in full force with you...

Go ahead and report me for supporting Bernie Sanders - a Democratic front-runner, you twit. You are what is wrong with this Democracy. You can't even hold an intelligible conversation and want to take some kind of high ground that doesn't exist.

Face it, you can't take dissent or the fact that your candidate is embroiled in scandle and the plutocrats money and is likely to lose to Trump. Turn a blind eye, put your head in the sand - very Democratic. Turn a blind eye to the blatent theft of this Democracy, on show at the Nevada convention. Ya, you are the real Democrat here.

I may have a new-ish user name but I have frequented this site since it's inception.

Maybe instead of reporting users for things you don't like to hear (That you fail to respond to or nullify/debate), grow a set, and use that thing between your ears.

Watch out for these "Correct the Record" bots people!

[SunSeeker]

71. LOL: "Bernie Sanders - a Democratic front-runner"

Sanders is losing badly to Hillary Clinton. He is not and never was the Democratic front-runner.

Hillary has over 3 million more votes than Sanders. Hillary has 2,297 delegates, only 86 delegates away from the 2,383 needed to clinch the nomination. Sanders needs TEN TIMES that, or 856 delegates to get the nomination, since he only has 1,527 delegates.
http://www.cnn.com/election

[phazed0]

72. So that makes Sanders a Republican?

Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Or are you just going to continue posting meaningless trite about Sanders supporters being on the wrong site?

Are you purposely daft or is it built in? Hooray for corruption! Yay! Ram Democratic decisions down everyone's throat without a vote! Yay, corruption! Take gobs of money from the very people this site was against just 4-8 years ago. Yay corruption!

You never post up about the Hillary issues.. I wonder why that is? Probably because there are no good answers without shattering your "perfect Hillary" worldview. Have at it Haas. Brilliant strategy BTW for winning over Sanders supporters, well played!

[SunSeeker]

73. No. It makes him the Democratic primary loser, not the "front-runner." nt

[phazed0]

74. So you support open and blatant corruption like this:

OK, not front runner, runner.. but you are still being bot-daft. Use that noodle, your limpness.

OUCH!! Did I hear Debbie Admit the DNC IS Rigged against Bernie on CNN?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017373977

Oh yeah, I really want to be behind that. Sell out.

[SunSeeker]

76. As usual, all you offer is insults. nt

[phazed0]

78. As usual, all you offer is nothing at all.

Need somebody to hold your hand? Still waiting for your compelling argument that has yet to come. Correct the Record bot.

[SunSeeker]

83. No, it is your candidate that is offering nothing. nt

[phylny]

29. Let's look on the bright side.

Campaign staff will have enough video of this clown to make a new ad every day.

[Warpy]

31. Good luck with that one, Fatso. 99% of women feel relief, not regret

and I'm afraid you and your fellow woman hating patriarchs are just going to have to deal with that.

[IronLionZion]

47. Having assholes like Trump in this world is punishment enough

for any rational human being.



Nobody deserves Trump. He's clearly too good for us and should leave the presidential race immediately. I'm sure he never expected it to go this far.

[lastlib]

48. Trumpolini is just foreskin--

not big enough to be a full dick.

[Jeb Bartlet]

49. Trump really should

stretch before he spins like that, he's going to pull a hammy flip flopping that fast.

[Thinkingabout]

51. Lyin' Trump

[SummerSnow]

52. So, how are women supposed to punish themselves? That sounds so stupid.Well consider the source.

How can women punish themselves Donald? I know, vote for you.

[jmowreader]

86. Well, besides that

The most popular way will be to go to a sign shop, get a picture of "Trumpolini firing someone on The Apprentice" printed on car-wrap vinyl, and stick it to the ceiling right over your bed so you have to look at him every time you have sex from here on out.

Six months later we'll learn women are refusing to have sex "if I have to look at that damn picture of Donald Trump for even a second."

[SummerSnow]

93. rofl, now that is funny

[bullwinkle428]

54. "Self-punishment" is the new "self-deportation".

[sofa king]

55. This "pivot to the middle"...

... is more like an iceberg rolling over. No less cold, dangerous, ponderous, and uninviting, he's just a little bit smoothed around the edges, and in the same exact spot that he started while submerging everything close to him under waves of inept politics.

[cynzke]

57. Mr. Slick and Slide!

Thinks now that the primaries are ending he can change direction on anything he previously said. Change and deny.

[DallasNE]

59. Straight Out Of The Romney Playbook

Romney would have made life so miserable for undocumented people that they would self-deport.

Now Trump comes along and would make the life so miserable for a woman that got pregnant from a rape that the rape wasn't punishment enough so they would punish themselves. Obviously, that punishment would be to force them to carry the fetus to term. How else could a woman that just learned that she is pregnant punish themselves? It makes no sense. Besides, that is government imposed punishment and not some undefined self punishment. So, Donald, give us an example of what you are talking about and how you would make it come to pass. Frankly, I think it is just more bloviating.

[47of74]

62. Well what do you propse der Trumpenf-ker?

Maybe you want them women to use these on themselves?



Ugh.

Fuck you Donald.

[no_hypocrisy]

79. Self flagellation? Wearing a hair shirt? Scarlet A?

[LiberalElite]

80. When will Trump punish himself for every

goddamned stupid, asinine, racist, misogynistic, ignorant, reckless (i could go on) statement that ever emanated from his piehole?

[AllyCat]

81. So what type of punishment Mr Government Overreach?

Because a moron like you certainly has some ideas in that good brain of yours.

[kairos12]

82. His punish the women comment should run 24/7 from now until the election.

[Vesper]

87. What does that even mean?

[bucolic_frolic]

90. Flagellants from the Black Death, A.D. 1349

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/flagellants.htm

This from the Netherlands, an eyewitness account

I think this is what Trump was talking about

[niyad]

92. why should women punish themselves for a LEGAL medical procedure, you misogynistic prick?

[Nonhlanhla]

94. He's such a freak.

Is this the same logic Romney used when he talked about self-deportation?

[tavernier]

95. And yet, he will be elected

because democrats just can't bear to act as a cohesive group when the chips are down.
Herding cats was how Will Rogers described it, and he was correct.

[niyad]

96. donnie, donnie, donnie boy. . . . . believe it or not, the rest of us are not as stupid as

the people supporting you. we heard you, we have the videos, we know what you meant. now that your less-than-spectacular member is caught in a wringer, you are trying to pretend that you did not say and mean what you said and meant.

you are one sick, twisted, disgusting waste of oxygen and resources, donnie boy.

[w4rma]

98. Noone knows where either Trump or Clinton stand on anything. Neither of them tell the truth.

And if no one knows where they stand on the issues, what would a general election between the two liars be about?

[fifthquartile]

99. Speaking of punishment

Trump's mother needed punished for NOT having an abortion. Now we are all being punished for her wrong choice.

[ThoughtCriminal]

100. Stop hitting yourself!

[saltpoint]

101. Trump is not a very bright man. He says

he is. But the evidence is overwhelming to the contrary.

He's also a misogynist xenophobic bigot. Having said what he's said and how he's said it about women and Muslims, it is very difficult to see Trump winning the electoral college.

[catbyte]

103. He did not. What a colossal asshole. I still can't believe this POS is the Republican nominee.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Well done, baggers. Very well done.