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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:47 AM May 2016

The problem with a progressive party.

A progressive has to admit there is a problem and then they can define the problem and the solution. A progressive has no tolerance for your opinion unless it is the same as the progressive solution.

It is always my way or the highway.

This leaves the progressive in a state of constant frustration or a vicious authoritarian.

Society that function best is based on tolerance without submission.

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The problem with a progressive party. (Original Post) CK_John May 2016 OP
I've seen a complete inability to separate criticism of Bernie's plans from criticism of the goal. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1
Sure thing, teach. Scootaloo May 2016 #2
Is that a projector? Could it be true? BillZBubb May 2016 #5
LOL leftstreet May 2016 #13
What a load of bs libtodeath May 2016 #3
No, he was a realist. CK_John May 2016 #14
Thank you for the silly post of the day. BillZBubb May 2016 #4
You are describing Communists, not progressives. raging moderate May 2016 #6
Nonsense alarimer May 2016 #7
Very true. raging moderate May 2016 #9
More nonsense. Gregorian May 2016 #8
OK. You've erected a problem. What's your solution to the problem? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #10
Simple solution, form a party, post members for office, state your agenda for the public. CK_John May 2016 #11
CK_John—Why are you here? CobaltBlue May 2016 #12
What progressive party? Most don't have ballot access in many states. mmonk May 2016 #15
Between 30 or 40% have never tried to register or vote in their life. CK_John May 2016 #16

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. Thank you for the silly post of the day.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

We progressives will take your profound insights and put them where they belong.

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
6. You are describing Communists, not progressives.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
May 2016

I met both in my youth, when I was involved in civil rights and anti-Vietnam war protests. It was the Communists who insisted on only one answer, the answer that had been formulated by central Communist authorities. It was progressives who would talk things over and consider other options. If anything, the difficulty has been reaching a consensus on which specific measures to implement. Progressives are not new. My grandfather, fifty years ago, retired in an old farmhouse in Wisconsin, recalled his youthful participation in the progressive movement and subscribed to a magazine called the Progressive.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
7. Nonsense
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

Do you have any idea what it actually means to be progressive? My working definition involves shoring up Social Security (and not through raising the age), reducing the military (and using it very sparingly, only when necessary to protect Americans or for humanitarian reasons), providing low or no cost education at all levels. single-payer health care (why not? most countries have some version of this), environmental protection as a priority, returning to more progressive taxation levels (such as those that existed in the mid-60s).

Progressives are by definition not authoritarians.

Which of those do you oppose? What is so unreasonable about any of that? Nobody said any of that was easy to achieve.

It means putting people ahead of corporations and opposing neoliberalism in all its guises.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
8. More nonsense.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
May 2016

I am a progressive ONLY for others. I am set for life; don't work; have no children's future to worry about.

I'm a progressive for those who are suffering.

You obviously don't get the notion of empathy, which makes me sad for you.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
10. OK. You've erected a problem. What's your solution to the problem?
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

Allow only cetnrist/conservative voices in your party?

Loyalty Oaths to your non-progressive party?

Require members to vote only for your party?

Brand those who dissent as "purists"?

Cry that the left is authoritarian when they refuse to follow orders?

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
16. Between 30 or 40% have never tried to register or vote in their life.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

If you want a progressive voice in politics do the work and form a party.

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