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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:00 PM May 2016

Donald Trump is ruining my life as an expat

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I’ve been traveling through Southeast Asia for about five months now. When I left the US in early December, Trump was still just a novelty candidate. Now he’s the presumptive Republican nominee for president. There are plenty of reasons to be worried about Trump’s potential rise to power: he’s xenophobic, misogynistic, and ignorant about foreign policy and economics alike. But on a personal level, he’s also ruining my life as an American expat—and giving me a firsthand glimpse into just how badly Trump could damage the international reputation of the US.

Wherever I go—Ho Chi Minh City, Bangkok, a beach in Sri Lanka—the conversation inevitably goes straight to Trump the moment people find out where I’m from. Other US expats have also shared their own tales of how Trump has become the first order of business in any encounter abroad.

“The question about Trump I get consistently is whether he represents what Americans are thinking these days,” says one friend who lives in Tokyo. “I have to say, ‘Yes, some,’ to which the typical response is, “Should we be worried?” Or, “To what extent should we be worried?””

The problem here is bigger than American expats’ personal sense of embarrassment. When you travel abroad, you realize that people in other parts of the world pay far more attention to international news and politics than most Americans do. During one 2008 conversation with some Danes in a warming hut at the edge of a glacier in Patagonia, they explained the US housing market collapse more clearly than most of my fellow journalists were doing back home.

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http://qz.com/688242/donald-trump-is-ruining-my-life-as-an-expat/

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Donald Trump is ruining my life as an expat (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
thank you for posting this rbrnmw May 2016 #1
I'm not sure that's a story that will hurt the Trump campaign Angel Martin May 2016 #2
Until he is crowned and the US becomes a piece of stinking pariah in the int'l community. jtuck004 May 2016 #14
SIL finding the same thing KT2000 May 2016 #3
I was in the smoking area at work... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #32
good point KT2000 May 2016 #33
You could fib and say you are Canadian. redwitch May 2016 #4
Been doing that for years. truebluegreen May 2016 #5
K&R for visibility Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #6
Others have told me the same. oldandhappy May 2016 #7
They aren't the only one JustAnotherGen May 2016 #8
I just got through listening to an old Firesign Theater LP and they really make more sense LiberalArkie May 2016 #9
All just Bozos on this bus Zoonart May 2016 #11
Actually Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers. I think of George Tirebiter when I think of LiberalArkie May 2016 #12
"In other news, Doc_Technical May 2016 #25
I got a brief finger wagging over dinner in Maputo, Mozambique, on the "barbarity" of US ancianita May 2016 #10
Mozambique: 6,000 flee to Malawi in fear of executions and sexual abuse from government forces AntiBank May 2016 #13
I hear you. My experience was a few years ago. The question now is, who pays for these ancianita May 2016 #23
Same as it ever was. Brickbat May 2016 #15
Trump embodies that well-worn if still stinging observation about the country he hails from: AntiBank May 2016 #16
But Trump said that everybody loves himself world wide wally May 2016 #17
Same thing when we were in Italy and Zurich in March kimbutgar May 2016 #18
I used to have to explain W... JCMach1 May 2016 #19
I was in total denial in 1980. Never thought the actor could be elected. mountain grammy May 2016 #20
I sympathize LeftishBrit May 2016 #21
He'd been in politics for more than 30 years by then. TwilightZone May 2016 #22
Like I said mountain grammy May 2016 #28
As I like to joke, he was a much better actor as president than in Hollywood TwilightZone May 2016 #29
I remember his idiotic anti medicare ads.. mountain grammy May 2016 #30
The one Carter ALMOST got him on in the debate - if one of Bush's moles hadn't stolen Carter's notes forest444 May 2016 #35
That was my first Presidential election. Different Drummer May 2016 #34
I tell people I'm from California. Califonz May 2016 #24
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #27
Reagan & Arnold dana_b May 2016 #42
Californians do get starry-eyed over celebrity candidates. Name recognition is everything here. Califonz May 2016 #43
Oh let's hope not!! dana_b May 2016 #45
I used to travel extensively overseas in my work. I'm glad I don't do that anymore. I would be so RKP5637 May 2016 #26
Spent some time in South America tirebiter May 2016 #31
Same thing I heard traveling Thespian2 May 2016 #36
i really just don't get this country... Takket May 2016 #37
LOL.. Ruined your life? 4bucksagallon May 2016 #38
I'm an ex-pat living in Europe. The situation has deteriorated to the point that Surya Gayatri May 2016 #39
As opposed to those who made Trump possible. One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #40
Trump is the next president. Johnny2X2X May 2016 #41
“Should we be worried?” Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #44

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
2. I'm not sure that's a story that will hurt the Trump campaign
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

for many of them, if foreigners are worried about what America might do with Trump in charge, that is a feature not a bug.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
14. Until he is crowned and the US becomes a piece of stinking pariah in the int'l community.
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

What's really ironic is that our enemies who might have shot a missile at us might be just as likely to hold their fire, knowing
that the effects of such a coronation would far worse than anything they could do to us.

We could save them a lot of money and bloodshed.

Or, maybe they attack. Who is gonna tell their kid to go die to protect the real estate swindler?

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
3. SIL finding the same thing
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

she travels for work mainly in Europe and everyone wants to talk about tRump.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
32. I was in the smoking area at work...
Sat May 21, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

and one of our Brazilian customers (we do flight training) brought up Trump. How do you say "this country is chock full of flaming fucking idiots" in front of customers?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
7. Others have told me the same.
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

Have a glorious time with your travels/explorations. What you are doing is the best for keeping a mind open and growing!!

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
8. They aren't the only one
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

Costa Rica for two weeks Christmas to early January and the D.R. in April...

He brings shame on us.

It brings me back to a Pub in Dublin Ireland in 2006 and a picnic on Pampellone Beach in France in May 2007 - Having to state "I didn't vote for him" and having nothing to say but nod in agreement when a French woman said about Bush - He is stood-speed.

I think people approached me alone in the Bush years and my husband and me during this year because we don't look the part of the Bush or Trump supporter. We are indeed a safe bet . . . Except for the Northern Leaguers we encountered on the beach in DR - but that's another country's shame to bear.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
9. I just got through listening to an old Firesign Theater LP and they really make more sense
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

than trying to listen to Trump give a speech. I worry about our nation.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
12. Actually Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers. I think of George Tirebiter when I think of
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

T-Rump

Doc_Technical

(3,526 posts)
25. "In other news,
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:59 PM
May 2016

final steps were taken in or near Washington to secure the merger of the U.S. government with TMZ General Corp,"

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
10. I got a brief finger wagging over dinner in Maputo, Mozambique, on the "barbarity" of US
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

government's treatment of its poor, and the population's lack of caring about its government's foreign misadventures.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
23. I hear you. My experience was a few years ago. The question now is, who pays for these
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

government forces.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
16. Trump embodies that well-worn if still stinging observation about the country he hails from:
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

'America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization.'

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/24/the_genie_grown_monstrous_how_donald_trump_the_all_american_frankenstein_devoured_the_gop/

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
18. Same thing when we were in Italy and Zurich in March
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

When people found out we were Americans they asked if we supported trump, we were very adamant that we thought he was an insane crazy man. We apologized for bush and said we pray trump is nowhere near the whitehouse. But a certain segment of our population stewed in racism by Obama's electionand right ring media brain washed them to think trump is qualified to be president because he is also a racist mf'er

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
20. I was in total denial in 1980. Never thought the actor could be elected.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

I won't make that mistake again.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
22. He'd been in politics for more than 30 years by then.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

It wasn't the big surprise that history has revised it to be. He'd been politically active since the 1940s, campaigned for Truman in 1948, was politically involved for the next three decades, and was extremely well-connected. By the time he ran for president, particularly the second time, he had a political machine that would rival nearly anyone.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
29. As I like to joke, he was a much better actor as president than in Hollywood
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

You weren't the only one. About 55% of the country was right there, too, and many more "admired" him. His political organization did such a good job selling him that to this day, people still believe a lot of the nonsense, 35 years later.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
35. The one Carter ALMOST got him on in the debate - if one of Bush's moles hadn't stolen Carter's notes
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

To say nothing of the arrangements Poppy made with Iran to retain the hostages until Inaugural Day.

Boy, he was good - really good. They should base a Bond movie on him some day.

 

Califonz

(465 posts)
24. I tell people I'm from California.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

I don't feel much affinity with most of the rest of the USA, except perhaps for the blue states.

 

Califonz

(465 posts)
43. Californians do get starry-eyed over celebrity candidates. Name recognition is everything here.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

Probably why Clinton is polling so well here in California, and DINO Feinstein got re-elected so often.

I often wonder why the GOP doesn't recruit more movie star (current or former) candidates here.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
45. Oh let's hope not!!
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:00 AM
May 2016

Otherwise we'll have lieutenant Governor Jon Voight or Govrenor Chuck Norris.

And yes, you're right about the polls but I am hoping that they just aren't getting ahold of a lot of younger, newer voters with cell phones.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
26. I used to travel extensively overseas in my work. I'm glad I don't do that anymore. I would be so
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

embarrassed to be in a meeting today introduced as the American representative.

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
31. Spent some time in South America
Sat May 21, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

Back in the mid '70's. Went through a town in southern Ecuador, along the Gringo trail on the way to Peru, that had legal unions, clean drinking water, and a university. was surprised to find a belt for sale in the marketplace that had a buckle with the town's two greatest heroes on it: JFK and Che Guevera. I mentioned to the guy selling it that JFK and Che weren't exactly friends. His response was that they may have been in opposition to one another but they both represented what their town needed. I''ve taken that as a lesson. Just one of the reasons I'm a Democrat.

Then again when I went to Europe in the summer of 2001, (preSeptmber for context) we got a lotta love. People were still in the afterglow of Bill Clinton and the depressioin of W had not yet set in. Of course this was still W's honeymoon period of not having done much of anything. The last time I had been in France was 1965 and DeGaulle had just pulled out of NATO and the franc was nearly worthless. We got a lot of bad vibes then but Clinton was admired and we were admired for electing him and that made things entirely different

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
36. Same thing I heard traveling
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:51 PM
May 2016

in a foreign country...no one had a good word to say about tRump...most just laughed when his name was mentioned...

Oh, the country was the USA...from Maine to Florida...

Takket

(21,568 posts)
37. i really just don't get this country...
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

i remember in 2004 when bush was running for reelection, reading and article with international polls of bush vs. kerry. i remember there were only TWO countries where bush polled ahead: The USA, and, for reasons beyond my comprehension, the Philippines.

Why is it basically the only country on earth that couldn't see what a disaster Bush was, was the US (well, a tiny bit more than 50% of it in fairness to all us kerry voters!)? Now its the same with Trump.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
38. LOL.. Ruined your life?
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:48 AM
May 2016

That would more than likely be true unless you were in the Philippines where they just elected Dirty Duterte head of the Davao death squads President. It doesn't get any worse than him in a democracy....

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
39. I'm an ex-pat living in Europe. The situation has deteriorated to the point that
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

I just reply with: "It makes me sick to talk about it", when asked.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
40. As opposed to those who made Trump possible.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

This odd election cycle didn't happen by itself. The root cause goes back much further and implicates people and policies from years back. This had been atleast 30 years in the making. If we can't learn to recognize and deal with the underlying causes that allow a Trump to get this far or even a Sanders to gain any significant following then this can only end one way.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
41. Trump is the next president.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

Sickening but true. I supported Sanders and voted for him, but knew Hillary was a great candidate too so when it was time I had no trouble getting behind her. The damage done by the Sanders campaign to the party since has made a Trump presidency more likely than not.

And the rest of the world should be very worried. They need to start building their armies and developing advanced weapons because it's going to take the whole world rising up against the US to stop our new fascism from taking over. And these righties have been just itching to use nuclear weapons for 70 years. This is what's on the line, other countries should be worried because Trump plans to use nuclear weapons.

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