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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:53 PM May 2016

Preakness winner Homeboykris dies after victory at Pimlico

Preakness undercard winner dies after victory

BALTIMORE -- Homeboykris, a former Kentucky Derby runner, won his final career race Saturday on the Preakness Stakes undercard, but the retirement wasn't scheduled. The 9-year-old gelding collapsed and died after scoring a 1/2-length victory in Race 1 at Pimlico....

A son of Roman Ruler, he visited the winner's circle before the incident on his way back to the barn.

Francis Campitelli trained Homeboykris for owner Stirrup Trouble, LLC, at the time of his death. Campitelli's son, Chris, tweeted that the horse suffered an "apparent" heart attack and will undergo a necropsy to further explore the cause.

"Homeboykris hasn't taken a bad step since we've had him," Chris Campitelli added. "Owner claimed him to assure he went to good home after race career. Freak accident."

It was a grim way to begin a cold, overcast and rainy day, with Homeboykris a hard-knocking former graded stakes winner known for his longevity. The Maryland-bred won 14 of 63 starts, including the Grade I Champagne in 2009 for then-trainer Rick Dutrow. The next year, he ran 16th in the Derby won by Super Saver with MLB manager Joe Torre a co-owner.

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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/horses/triple/preakness/2016/05/21/preakness-2016--undercard-winner-homeboykris-dies-after-victory-at-pimlico/84701458/

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Preakness winner Homeboykris dies after victory at Pimlico (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
How sad. CaliforniaPeggy May 2016 #1
It is sad and I just read that another horse at Pimlico died cali May 2016 #2
You are correct: Here is the rest of the unusual TWO horse death story, along with how they died Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #33
It's a cruel sport. Brickbat May 2016 #3
This needs to change pottedplant May 2016 #7
+1000000 MissDeeds May 2016 #11
Never been around Thoroughbreds, have you? A HERETIC I AM May 2016 #12
there is a difference pottedplant May 2016 #13
Describe the difference to the horse. A HERETIC I AM May 2016 #19
The horse knows pottedplant May 2016 #22
Secretariat lancer78 May 2016 #49
The appalling treatment of Barbaro did it for me. I despise horse racing now. virgogal May 2016 #54
Lame, sick horses are not allowed in the race. dixiegrrrrl May 2016 #57
As long as the drugs are working and they don't get caught pottedplant May 2016 #59
Loving to run and being forced to run past their limits to the extent stillwaiting May 2016 #28
Tbreds are such lovely horses. gwheezie May 2016 #32
I have to slightly disagree PaulaFarrell May 2016 #37
I see your point gwheezie May 2016 #40
The horses would never have been born if not for racing Ex Lurker May 2016 #23
Yes Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #47
24 horses die a week in horse racing. That's way more than elephants in circuses or killer whales Akicita May 2016 #4
trying to educate pottedplant May 2016 #8
Link? trumad May 2016 #27
The washington post. I can't get back to it cause I used up my free articles. Akicita May 2016 #43
So you can't prove it trumad May 2016 #45
Here's a link to the original source. cureautismnow May 2016 #55
Thank you. Some people are so mistrusting. Akicita May 2016 #62
Not only that melman May 2016 #64
So true. Akicita May 2016 #65
Oh bullshit trumad May 2016 #66
Based on what? pottedplant May 2016 #70
Based on the fact that I follow the report. trumad May 2016 #71
What figure would convince you pottedplant May 2016 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 May 2016 #77
I read it. I related it. That's not good enough for you? Akicita May 2016 #63
I didn't know that. nt BootinUp May 2016 #30
I did not know that either. SusanCalvin May 2016 #34
k&r Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #48
Yet dogfighting and cockfighting are illegal. Orrex May 2016 #53
Um, because they're fighting? KamaAina May 2016 #82
Why should that make a difference? Orrex May 2016 #85
Very sad ... LannyDeVaney May 2016 #5
The big money and name races are for the young csziggy May 2016 #21
what a horrible story grasswire May 2016 #6
Horse racing involves lots of horse death and injury. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #9
Pleasure horses die every day. Wild horses die every day Ex Lurker May 2016 #26
Can't lose what you never had. tazkcmo May 2016 #29
Was the gf's horse crammed onto a trailer pottedplant May 2016 #35
The farm where she rides is full of retired racehorses Ex Lurker May 2016 #52
Watch the video pottedplant May 2016 #56
I'll take my personal experience over an "investigation" by someone with an agenda Ex Lurker May 2016 #58
Yes HBO and Bryant Gumball are known radicals with an agenda pottedplant May 2016 #61
If you think 'nothing lives forever' is a useful lesson to others you are wrong. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #68
Too sad malaise May 2016 #10
Long past time for this brutal "sport" to be banned melman May 2016 #14
Would you ban rasing domestic cattle as well? NT Ex Lurker May 2016 #36
On topic, big guy pottedplant May 2016 #38
It is absolutely on topic Ex Lurker May 2016 #41
I would melman May 2016 #39
What about basketball? KamaAina May 2016 #83
What about it? melman May 2016 #87
If there were pottedplant May 2016 #89
Incorrect headline. trumad May 2016 #15
Right melman May 2016 #17
Ok...you deleted the first time trumad May 2016 #18
I deleted because I replied to the wrong post melman May 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author melman May 2016 #16
Holy Shite malaise May 2016 #20
Incorrect headline. trumad May 2016 #25
You should edit the title of your article brush May 2016 #31
Fuck horse racing and anyone who has anything to do with it. Coventina May 2016 #42
That attitude is anti-little people. Akicita May 2016 #44
Meh. No one is holding a gun to their heads to participate in that "sport." Coventina May 2016 #51
Fuck people who are against it trumad May 2016 #46
Anyone who is pro-horse racing is pro-cruelty. Coventina May 2016 #50
Let me guess---total veg--- you don't wear leather products---etc? trumad May 2016 #67
And you are ok with running horses to death pottedplant May 2016 #69
Bull fricking shit you are. trumad May 2016 #72
Ok pottedplant May 2016 #76
Tough guy went to a safe haven group to whine about you pintobean May 2016 #78
lol melman May 2016 #79
Thanks pottedplant May 2016 #84
I don't know if he ever gets happy. pintobean May 2016 #86
That's hilarious!! Coventina May 2016 #88
As a matter of fact, yes, but please reread Potted Plant's response. Coventina May 2016 #73
I'm doing my best to save and rehabilitate OTTBs riderinthestorm May 2016 #60
I thank you for the good work you do. Coventina May 2016 #74
I know it's not your point, but this horse was NOT the "Preakness winner." He won a race the same WinkyDink May 2016 #80
Worst. Headline. Ever. KamaAina May 2016 #81

pottedplant

(94 posts)
7. This needs to change
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

Horse and dog racing are not sports. It is gambling. The participants have no say in the matter.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
12. Never been around Thoroughbreds, have you?
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

Sure, they don't speak, but there is absolutely no doubt they LOVE to run.

Just like Clydesdales and other draft horses love to pull.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
22. The horse knows
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

When it is used as a commodity as did the horse run to his death today. The horse is there to make money regardless how sick, lame or tired he is.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
49. Secretariat
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:00 PM
May 2016

used to get very mad when he would lose a race. He also had a good sense for racing, and knew when to go and when to let up. He was as much an athlete as Usain Bolt.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
57. Lame, sick horses are not allowed in the race.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

Vet checks of every horse in a race is required.

That said, I am very conflicted about racing these days.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
59. As long as the drugs are working and they don't get caught
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:57 PM
May 2016

But sometimes they do. Read about gary Asmussen being fined by the New York gaming commission for doing exactly what you insist doesn't happen.
Industry hacks alive and kicking
http://www.peta.org/blog/update-victory-asmussen-fined-sweeping-new-horse-racing-rules-proposed/

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
28. Loving to run and being forced to run past their limits to the extent
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016

That so many die during horse races are two completely different things.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
32. Tbreds are such lovely horses.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

What joy to watch them run. Horses don't spend most of their lives running for no reason, it's not the most efficient way to get over long distances. It's a good way to escape from predators. Yes, I've seen even old toothless horses take off on a bucking farting run just because they feel good. I've seen a group of yearlings race each other. I've had horses at home for 40 years, they don't spend a lot of times running. And yes even once in awhile one can take a bad step and have a catastrophic injury but as far as horses wanting to race, nope. They are very trainable animals so you can get them to do things that really don't make sense. Racing is not for the benefit of horses, it's a business. And racing is certainly not the only sport brutal to horses so I'm not making that argument. I just think it's ludicrous to defend racing because occasionally horses like to run.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
37. I have to slightly disagree
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

I have some ponies and when i used to turn them into a nice green field in spring they would race around like crazy and it was quite worrying. yes, they loved to race each other. they're older now, so don't really, but horses do like to race other. It's in their nature - it doesn't excuse the abuses in racing, but saying horses don't like to race is like saying dogs don't like to bark.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
40. I see your point
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:52 PM
May 2016

I used race in the sense of they want to race on a track. They'd just as soon race in the pasture and if they got winded or had a foot ouchey, they'd stop galloping unless a mountain lion was chasing them.
My boss mare used to start the race. It wouldn't last long, the others would gallop a few seconds and then admit she won and go back to eating.

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
23. The horses would never have been born if not for racing
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

and it is a sport. Many people don't bet at all.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
4. 24 horses die a week in horse racing. That's way more than elephants in circuses or killer whales
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

at seaworlds. Where does PETA stand on horse racing?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
64. Not only that
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:26 AM
May 2016

some people act like a tough guy and challenge someone for proof, then disappear when the proof is delivered.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
66. Oh bullshit
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:42 AM
May 2016

I don't run from anything. I stand corrected that there was no story about it...although I challenge the story big time.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
70. Based on what?
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

Link link link link. Cmon show us how well those horses are treated. Like family, right? Go to center for consumer freedom if you want help with your links. They are chock full of animal industry propaganda.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
71. Based on the fact that I follow the report.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

What was the NYT story based on? I did t see a link to their findings .

pottedplant

(94 posts)
75. What figure would convince you
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

Racing is acceptable? 23? 21?
24/wk is cited in articles from more recent sources as well. If the racing industry has not forced a correction, I'd venture to guess it is spot on.
Public knowledge needs no citation. And there is nothing provided by you to assert a different figure.

Response to pottedplant (Reply #75)

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
34. I did not know that either.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

In general, I don't like animals being used for human amusement. Certainly treatment of the non-superstars could be improved.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
85. Why should that make a difference?
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:32 PM
May 2016

Boxing is legal, but it's fighting. UFC is legal, but it's fighting.

People in this very thread have asserted that horses know that they're athletes and know that they're competing, but still they die at a rate of 24 per week. I'd be interested to see how many non-fatal injuries occur, too.

Not sure why that's better, or why we're so eager to overlook it.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
5. Very sad ...
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

how common is it for a 9 year old horse to run a race? I don't really follow the sport but I thought it was all 2-3 year olds.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
21. The big money and name races are for the young
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

But a lot of races are for horses of any age. 9 is pretty old for a racehorse, but a gelding with speed who has held up and is still winning and earning money really has no other future. Thoroughbred mares can be bred so they are often kept if their bloodlines are good. Stallions who don't perform on the track are gelding and sold off.

Some young Thoroughbreds with the right temperament, that do not demonstrate the ability to win at racing are sold as prospects for show horses or pleasure horses. Unfortunately many of those cannot hold up physically - they have to be "let down" from racing, then carefully trained so their bones can remodel to support the new stress on them to handle the change in use. Often they don't hold up to being used - they are started under saddle far too young, before their bones are finished growing, and that leads to problems as they mature.

I used to board horses and the worst ones to deal with were horses off the track that had not had a chance to adjust to a whole new life. I bred Quarter Horses for a variety of uses and for quiet personalities. Thoroughbreds (and race horses of other breeds) are selected for speed only - not a good way to create animals that are sane and consistent performers, in my opinion.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Horse racing involves lots of horse death and injury.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

It's like a hundred a month or so. Lots of them.

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
26. Pleasure horses die every day. Wild horses die every day
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

My girlfriend got a call from the barn a few Christmas Eves ago that her horse had died. Not a racehorse, just a horse she rode for recreation. It lay down in its stall and never got up again. Nothing lives forever. As I said upthread, these horses were bred to race, and would never have been born if not for racing. Would it been better had they never lived at all? I guess it depends on your point of view.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
29. Can't lose what you never had.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

So, yes. It is better to not be born than to be born and be exploited till you die.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
35. Was the gf's horse crammed onto a trailer
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

And sent to a horrific slaughter in Mexico? Watch the HBO real sports segment "hidden horses"
Link below on website.
Unprofitable horses meet a grisly fate. There is nothing natural or peaceful about it. And no, if this is what they endure they would be better off never having been born. Tossed aside to a hellish existence. How on earth can you defend this??

http://www.all-creatures.org/fact/fact-20080618.shtml

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
52. The farm where she rides is full of retired racehorses
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:02 PM
May 2016

in fact, that's a major source for show jumpers and pleasure horses. So you are wrong about that.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
56. Watch the video
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

are you saying I'm wrong about thoroughbred horses being sent to Mexico for slaughter? Oh wait, your girlfriend's horse farm occupants trump what is revealed by an investigative journalist?

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
58. I'll take my personal experience over an "investigation" by someone with an agenda
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

but YMMV. We've reached an impasse, so I don't see a point in discussing this further.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
61. Yes HBO and Bryant Gumball are known radicals with an agenda
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

thousands of thoroughbreds are sold for slaughter every year. Those are the facts.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
68. If you think 'nothing lives forever' is a useful lesson to others you are wrong.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016

Horse racing is the abuse of horses, the death rate is not a natural one.
Nothing lives forever, therefore war is not a big deal, right? Because we all have to die anyway. So bombs away.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
39. I would
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

but that's not realistic unfortunately. Horse racing is a totally different matter, and could easily be done.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
83. What about basketball?
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

Loyola Marymount player Hank Gathers collapsed and died on the court some years ago. By that logic, we should ban the sport immediately and declare the four teams still alive in the NBA playoffs co-champions.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
87. What about it?
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

Basketball players choose to play basketball. Horses do not choose to be involved in racing.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
89. If there were
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

24 players a week keeling over and an effort by team owners to sell underperforming players to Mexico for a gruesome slaughter, you might have a point.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
18. Ok...you deleted the first time
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

And then you just posted the same shit.

Yeah it's important because it's inaccurate. Unless of course you prefer inaccurate shit.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
24. I deleted because I replied to the wrong post
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

The only thing that's important is that the animals were killed.

Response to cali (Original post)

malaise

(268,724 posts)
20. Holy Shite
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:36 PM
May 2016

another horse was put down after breaking a leg. The jockey fractured his collarbone.

brush

(53,743 posts)
31. You should edit the title of your article
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

"Preakness winner" leads people to believe that the winner of "The Preakness" died after the race — "The Preakness" being the second leg or horse racing's triple crown.

That is not what happened.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
69. And you are ok with running horses to death
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

And selling off horses for slaughter because you wear leather? Put your blinders on because, after all, first they come for the horse racing, then the come for the meat etc? People have to grow the fuck up and face reality. If that reality sickens you, then work for change. If it doesn't phase you, well, I think it says something about you. This has nothing to do with leather and there is a world of difference between, say trophy hunting and using animals for "sport" and eating them. And yes I am a non-leather wearing vegan.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
72. Bull fricking shit you are.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

I love the way people on the nets pretend to be something to fit their narrative.

pottedplant

(94 posts)
76. Ok
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

As I sit here eating tofu scrambler wearing my Bzees shoes which by the way are extraordinarily comfortable. I am a 56 yoa vegan who has not worn leather since 1987. Deal with it.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
73. As a matter of fact, yes, but please reread Potted Plant's response.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

Horse racing is done for human amusement, nothing more.

To equate it to eating animals for sustenance is ridiculous and dodging the argument.

I don't condemn people for eating responsibly sourced meat, although it isn't my choice, because animals do it as well.
I don't think animals are evil for doing what they have been biologically designed to do.

And before you try to use that argument to argue for horse racing - sorry.
You can't justify horse-racing any more than you can justify putting gazelles in the Colosseum for lions to chase.
It is a human perversion of natural processes.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
60. I'm doing my best to save and rehabilitate OTTBs
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018813317

Here's what I do.

I also hate horse racing but I don't ever foresee it's demise.

I do what I can.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
80. I know it's not your point, but this horse was NOT the "Preakness winner." He won a race the same
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

day.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
81. Worst. Headline. Ever.
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

The winner of the Preakness, held later in the day, was Exaggerator. The race Homeboykris won was on the undercard.

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