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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:36 PM May 2016

Vegan woman dies of altitude sickness on Mount Everest trying to prove "vegans can do anything"


Weeks before her death Dr Strydom told how she and her husband wanted to dispel the belief that vegans were 'weak' or 'malnourished' by taking on the climb.

'It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak. 

Maria Strydom died on Saturday afternoon after having to turn back from the final leg of the expedition because she felt unwell.

She returned to Camp 4, the last camp before the mountain's summit, on Friday where she spent the night but died from lack of oxygen the following day.  


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3602846/Pictured-Melbourne-university-lecturer-34-died-altitude-sickness-Mount-Everest-taking-climb-husband-prove-vegans-anything.html

Sad. But I'm not sure she should have attempted this climb.

I guess it's ironic in the sense that she became one of the anecdotes that she was hoping to combat.
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Vegan woman dies of altitude sickness on Mount Everest trying to prove "vegans can do anything" (Original Post) Kang Colby May 2016 OP
Mount Everest: two climbers killed and 30 needing medical help Electric Monk May 2016 #1
I don't think being a vegan or carnivore matters when it dilby May 2016 #2
Yes it does. former9thward May 2016 #44
You have not one bit of evidence that she had an iron deficiency. Vegans and vegetarians are not Luminous Animal May 2016 #53
And you don't know what it was either. former9thward May 2016 #64
How do you know she did not eat spinach and other iron rich foods? Rex May 2016 #77
I don't know what she ate. former9thward May 2016 #83
Yeah that is why it is called an opinion. Rex May 2016 #87
And the vegan crowd is clearly bothered by mine. former9thward May 2016 #89
In the history of Mt Everest mountain climbing, omnivores have died at a far higher rate than vegans Doremus May 2016 #141
Is that an internet statistic pulled from thin air? former9thward May 2016 #142
The vegan crowd seems rarely bothered by opinions LanternWaste May 2016 #150
And you are insisting, WITHOUT EVIDENCE, that her diet had everything to do with it. Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #80
None of my posts said that. former9thward May 2016 #90
Frankly, none of us really knows. I do know that a healthy organic vegan diet is not only good for Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #94
Interesting interpretation on your part 2naSalit May 2016 #104
You have no idea what her diet was former9thward May 2016 #130
I am insisting because she was an athlete and an experienced climber as well as an Luminous Animal May 2016 #96
Not just iron, B12... 4139 May 2016 #69
You can eat fortified cereal with all the B 12 your body needs. Rex May 2016 #78
Some people cannot use dietary B12 because of tblue37 May 2016 #121
We vegans have to take B12 to avoid neurologic problems mucifer May 2016 #103
I have a vegan brother in law and he is RIPPED. phleshdef May 2016 #111
This might be the wrong place to ask GulfCoast66 May 2016 #117
Well. B12 is available through soil. So a diet based on organic vegetables would provide B12. Luminous Animal May 2016 #120
Because B-12 is produced by bacterial action. LeftyMom May 2016 #123
You are assuming I care about "a natural life". It's not a priority for me. mucifer May 2016 #125
Thanks for the reply GulfCoast66 May 2016 #139
Another man died of the same thing on the climb. dilby May 2016 #116
Did you do the autopsy? former9thward May 2016 #129
No, being vegan has nothing to do with it Warpy May 2016 #135
Her Death Says Nothing to Me About Weakness of Vegans? pmorlan1 May 2016 #3
Do you mean other than that she made a rather big issue of it. longship May 2016 #5
No, I mean pmorlan1 May 2016 #8
Maybe people from Vega should not be climbing tall mountains. longship May 2016 #15
What melman May 2016 #18
FYI the poster you're responding to yewberry May 2016 #23
Making fun of hypocrites longship May 2016 #26
And if she had died by getting hit by lightning, would you make that about her diet, as well? Luminous Animal May 2016 #43
I wouldn't know. The irony of it is just fucking sad. nt longship May 2016 #49
She made it about her diet. Egnever May 2016 #65
And the cause of her death had nothing to do about her diet. There might be a point IF she had Luminous Animal May 2016 #86
Or consider this Egnever May 2016 #95
What are doing here is promoting the propaganda that diet can cause altitude sickness. Or that Luminous Animal May 2016 #97
Carnivore Here pmorlan1 May 2016 #22
"I am going to show the world that vegans can climb Mount Everest!!" longship May 2016 #30
And she died of altitude sickness which has nothing to do with fitness or diet. Luminous Animal May 2016 #35
How do you know? former9thward May 2016 #60
Who cares? pmorlan1 May 2016 #37
Obviously you DO care about what other people eat muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #39
No, I really don't give a damn. longship May 2016 #45
You've cared enough to call her a 'hypocrite' twice, despite not knowing muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #52
She was a hypocrite for thinking that her surviving Mt Everest... longship May 2016 #58
I think you need this: muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #63
Again. I don't give a damn what they eat, or don't eat. longship May 2016 #71
You say you don't give a damn. 8 posts show otherwise. Lancero May 2016 #55
I am just responding. longship May 2016 #61
"I don't try to convert people to my diet." yewberry May 2016 #62
No I don't. longship May 2016 #66
Naw dude, you post more about vegan diets than I do, and I host the Veg*n/AR group. LeftyMom May 2016 #119
I rarely post in the vegan group. longship May 2016 #122
Dude, did a vegan steal your girlfriend? LeftyMom May 2016 #124
In my opinion, they should all go back to Vega. longship May 2016 #126
Hey thanks for letting me know you had trollish posts in the group. LeftyMom May 2016 #127
No loss. longship May 2016 #131
Yes, you do. yewberry May 2016 #128
It's not their diet, it is their behavior. longship May 2016 #132
You are the omnivore version of the proselytizing vegan you hate. yewberry May 2016 #133
Eat what you want, with my best regards. longship May 2016 #134
Your arguments are ridiculous. yewberry May 2016 #157
You make many unsupported allegations to rationalize your choice of vulgarity towards them. LanternWaste May 2016 #149
This just seems apropos... opiate69 May 2016 #159
Indeed 2naSalit May 2016 #105
I definitely don't have that "thrill seeking gene". Nye Bevan May 2016 #4
If I wanted to experience daredevil risky thrills, ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #6
I do but I'll stay off of Everest especially since I don't have the money to climb dlwickham May 2016 #28
No thrill seeking gene here either. 3catwoman3 May 2016 #46
I've Done Parasailing ProfessorGAC May 2016 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy May 2016 #7
The ability to avoid altitude sickness is a result of evolution, not diet. Luminous Animal May 2016 #38
This was very sad nt DesertRat May 2016 #9
So? 200+ non-vegans died on Everest before her. tenderfoot May 2016 #10
I'm not grave dancing. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #11
Many people have no business on Everest; their diet has nothing to do with that REP May 2016 #12
Being vegan had nothing to do with it Ned_Devine May 2016 #13
She did state that she felt she had something to prove as a vegan. Kang Colby May 2016 #14
Because there's a stigma. Are you being serious? Ned_Devine May 2016 #21
Yes. Kang Colby May 2016 #27
She didn't die because she's a vegan. Are you purposely being obtuse? Ned_Devine May 2016 #36
Yes, but she also didn't prove that being vegan made her any different (nt) The Straight Story May 2016 #51
Holy shit. What a stupid thread I've thrown myself into Ned_Devine May 2016 #54
Yep. Luminous Animal May 2016 #57
No, not really, here is the gist of it The Straight Story May 2016 #59
Is that what she told you, that being vegan somehow made her better? Ned_Devine May 2016 #67
"We want to prove that vegans can do anything and more." The Straight Story May 2016 #73
That is because people keep fucking telling vegans that they are malnourished and weak. Luminous Animal May 2016 #88
I see. The Straight Story May 2016 #91
Apparently, you've never met a cave man aficionado. And yes, if the conversation veers to the Luminous Animal May 2016 #108
Vegans don't have to preach to catch shit from people. Mariana May 2016 #136
Oh no, this thread is nothing LOL snooper2 May 2016 #140
Well, she made it about that. And she died. nt longship May 2016 #16
FYI, altitude sickness is not related to fitness. Luminous Animal May 2016 #20
I don't... Ned_Devine May 2016 #25
I hope you're just playing dumb Ned_Devine May 2016 #24
No. It is just the sad irony of it. nt longship May 2016 #31
I agree. I think that's the best way to describe this story.."sad irony". eom Kang Colby May 2016 #98
Thank you. nt longship May 2016 #99
I wonder if she had any blood tests before she went TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #17
Sorry vegan haters but altitude sickness has nothing to do with fitness. Luminous Animal May 2016 #19
I'm Curious pmorlan1 May 2016 #29
It's ridiculous danimich1 May 2016 #70
It was news to me pmorlan1 May 2016 #72
I think what most in the thread have their undies in a wad about -- Mother Of Four May 2016 #148
Exactly! danimich1 May 2016 #151
And I'm sure it's only vegans who die on the mountain. Binkie The Clown May 2016 #32
She stated she was doing this to prove vegans could do it. She made it about veganism. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #33
That was a stupid thing for her to do: "Stupid Person Dies on Mt. Everest" Sorry. Sad, but true. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2016 #34
Evidently pmorlan1 May 2016 #40
And you are making her death about veganism. Her diet and fitness had ZERO influence on Luminous Animal May 2016 #41
No I'm not. And you don't know that her diet and fitness had nothing to do with this. Kang Colby May 2016 #48
Look up altitude sickness and its causes. Fitness and diet are pretty much ruled out. ALSO, Luminous Animal May 2016 #56
Altitude sickness has killed any number of strong omnivorous hikers. She's not an object lesson... Hekate May 2016 #42
+ a brazillion milestogo May 2016 #74
Did being vegan contributed to the altitude sickness? TexasProgresive May 2016 #47
Doctor? She had a PhD in finance. She was a banking and finance expert... Kang Colby May 2016 #50
Fine, but was her being vegan what contributed to her death? TexasProgresive May 2016 #68
Being Vegan had nothing to do Texasgal May 2016 #76
Mount Everest has claimed a lot of bodies over the decades, sorry to hear more added. Rex May 2016 #75
Stupid headline. RufusTFirefly May 2016 #79
She decided to make this about being vegan in that she wanted to prove vegans can climb Mt. Everest. Kang Colby May 2016 #100
I don't care if she was a fucking Mac user. klook May 2016 #81
Can they come back from the dead? N/T catnhatnh May 2016 #82
Wow. Didn't we all condemn Bill Frist for diagnosing Terri ToxMarz May 2016 #84
Exactly. Kang Colby May 2016 #85
Jesus. 250 dead on that mountain restorefreedom May 2016 #92
Actually, she isn't the first vegan. In fact, many Sherpas, due to Buddhism, are vegetarians. Luminous Animal May 2016 #102
i wondered about the sherpas restorefreedom May 2016 #109
Well, they do have the advantage of evolution. Luminous Animal May 2016 #110
they certainly have been acclimated restorefreedom May 2016 #153
Many carry a genetic mutation that improves high-altitude O2 transfer NickB79 May 2016 #158
Each and every one of us... ReRe May 2016 #93
Climbing Everest: a pasttime of the roody May 2016 #101
And sadly, the dead. longship May 2016 #106
This has nothing to do with diet. ananda May 2016 #107
I have no opinion about this woman's diet, SheilaT May 2016 #112
Uhhhh, Eko May 2016 #113
It's unfortunate that she died, but... Orrex May 2016 #114
"Dutch national Eric Arnold, 36, also died after falling ill." Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #115
Wow, celebrating her death to prove you hate vegans, disgusting. Nt Logical May 2016 #118
Her death is tragic...I don't hate vegans. Some of my closest friends are vegans. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #147
Staying at 26k feet was more than likely what killed her, not being vegan. moriah May 2016 #137
dumb... Blue_Tires May 2016 #138
3rd point below the headline: She was an experienced climber who previously conquered Kilimanjaro Luminous Animal May 2016 #143
Maybe she should have climbed it again... Blue_Tires May 2016 #146
excellent point restorefreedom May 2016 #155
For all of the anti-vegans here dumping on her at least SHE was brave enough to try. Lancero May 2016 #144
hear hear! restorefreedom May 2016 #154
Any place on Earth CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #152
How many vegans made it that we didn't know their eating habits? freeplessinseattle May 2016 #156
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
1. Mount Everest: two climbers killed and 30 needing medical help
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016
Severe frostbite and altitude sickness have left more than 30 climbers on Mount Everest needing medical help, after two climbers died on the world’s highest mountain over the weekend.

An Australian woman and a Dutch man both died of apparent altitude sickness, the first people killed on the mountain in 2016.

The mountaineering department official Gyanendra Shrestha said frostbite had affected dozens of climbers attempting to make the ascent. Pemba Sherpa, of the Seven Summit Treks agency in Kathmandu, also said one Indian climber had been unable to move due to advanced frostbite and had been carried to a lower camp, where attempts were being made to rescue her by helicopter.

A Norwegian climber has been rescued by sherpas after suffering snow blindness, a painful loss of vision after overexposure to UV rays.

The deaths of the two climbers, the motivational speaker Eric Arnold, 36, and finance lecturer Dr Maria Strydom, 34 – whose husband was also injured on the climb down, came as the tourism industry on Everest began to show signs of recovery after two years of devastating natural disasters.

more
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/22/mount-everest-two-climbers-killed-and-30-needing-medical-help


Everest is dangerous. News at 11.

former9thward

(32,096 posts)
44. Yes it does.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

Vegans often have a deficiency in Iron. Iron is used by the body in delivering oxygen to the body. She died from a lack of oxygen.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
53. You have not one bit of evidence that she had an iron deficiency. Vegans and vegetarians are not
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

more susceptible to iron deficiency than meat eaters. Their rates of iron deficiency are about equal to meat eaters.

former9thward

(32,096 posts)
64. And you don't know what it was either.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

But you are here insisting, without evidence, that her diet had nothing to do with it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
77. How do you know she did not eat spinach and other iron rich foods?
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

My opinion, Mt Everest killed her because it is an extremely dangerous mountain to climb up and then get back down.

former9thward

(32,096 posts)
83. I don't know what she ate.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

And you don't either. I am not the one insisting her diet had nothing to do with this. Did you perform her autopsy?

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
141. In the history of Mt Everest mountain climbing, omnivores have died at a far higher rate than vegans
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

Probably by a factor of at least 20:1.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
150. The vegan crowd seems rarely bothered by opinions
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

The vegan crowd seems rarely bothered by opinions. However, cowering behind implication can be concerning. However, I'd pretend I'm a bother to people too-- it let's us feel more effectual than reality dictates.

former9thward

(32,096 posts)
90. None of my posts said that.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

The people opposed to me SAID THAT DIET HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
94. Frankly, none of us really knows. I do know that a healthy organic vegan diet is not only good for
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

the body but good for the environment as well.

One would be considered a vegan by only eating potato chips and soda, but that would be highly unhealthy.

Healthy organic fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grains, nuts and seeds make for an excellent diet consisting of large amounts of bio-available nutrients.

2naSalit

(86,824 posts)
104. Interesting interpretation on your part
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:47 PM
May 2016

and creative no doubt.

I don't think being a vegan or carnivore matters when it

comes to altitude sickness.


Is what the person you dispute said, verbatim. I wonder how that is insisting that her diet absolutely had nothing to do with her death.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
96. I am insisting because she was an athlete and an experienced climber as well as an
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

intelligent person who had been a vegan for quite a while. Athletic vegans do not approach their diet and health from a place of ignorance. Even the most robust and healthy athletic meat eater can succumb to altitude sickness. Why? Because fitness and health is not a factor.

I am susceptible to motion sickness. No kind of diet or exercise has ever made it go away.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
78. You can eat fortified cereal with all the B 12 your body needs.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

However what she did was not a normal walk in the park. Exposure to the extreme elements got to her, many people should NOT try and hike up Mt Everest, is what I take away from this story.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
121. Some people cannot use dietary B12 because of
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:21 AM
May 2016

intrinsic factor deficiency.

I am one of those people. I have to get an intramuscular B12 shot every month.

But it took several years before my symptoms reached a point where the doctor ordered a blood test and discovered that I had megaloblastic anemia, caused by B12 deficiency.

She could have had a B12 deficiency despite eating foods rich in vitamin B12. That is what happened to me. In fact, I was even taking B12 supplements at the time. I had no idea that my body was not able to make use of ingested B12.

But if that was her problem, then it wasn't caused by being a vegan. I have always been an omnivore, yet I developed B12 deficiency anemia while eating meat and taking B12 supplements.

mucifer

(23,576 posts)
103. We vegans have to take B12 to avoid neurologic problems
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

She would know that. With supplements our B12 levels are the same as meat eaters.

People are vegans for decades and don't succumb to malnutrition. Many weight lifters are vegan. Some football players are vegan.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
111. I have a vegan brother in law and he is RIPPED.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

He takes vitamins as well and is extremely athletic, full of energy.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
117. This might be the wrong place to ask
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

And I have nothing against vegans. But you state you must take a supplements to equal B12 levels of a meat eater.

So without the modern world you could not perform like a meat eater?

I mean if you must use supplements provided by industrial business, are you really living a natural life?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
120. Well. B12 is available through soil. So a diet based on organic vegetables would provide B12.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:09 AM
May 2016

That is why vegan Buddhists have survived.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
123. Because B-12 is produced by bacterial action.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:36 AM
May 2016

FWIW, I don't think anybody is living a natural life, we're all sitting in front of computers and we didn't die of childhood diseases.

I don't mind taking a supplement because my food doesn't have enough shit in it.

mucifer

(23,576 posts)
125. You are assuming I care about "a natural life". It's not a priority for me.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:42 AM
May 2016

I care about the animals.

As the old Yiddish vegetarian Isaac Bashevis Singer once said, I don't do it for my health, I do it for the health of the chickens.

The B12 pills are here available to us. Fruits, vegetables and grains and nuts are available to us. (oh yeah and some of us including me eat french fries and vegan mayo sugary chocolaty foods and unhealthy stuff like that which is plant based, too. ) We have the option to do less harm by not eating meat. It's a choice that I and many others have made. Factory farms are everywhere and the cruelty is insane.

Oh and I ask you is the genetically modified chicken and turkey that is so pumped up with it's size it can barely move natural? I'll take the B12 pills thank you.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
139. Thanks for the reply
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

I was curious and you answered my question. Personally I love industrial scale grain farming because without it billions of people, none in the western world, would starve.

But I hate with a passion industrial animal farming because it is unavoidably cruel. I am an omnivore and enjoy meat. But it is either meat raised on a farm I can visit, or preferably meat from animals I kill myself. Just speaking for me, not others, if I were to eat meat but was unable to slaughter it myself I would feel like a hypocrite.

As for the story it seems it is using a sad event to poke fun at another's chosen lifestyle.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
116. Another man died of the same thing on the climb.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

Two people died, a man and a woman, a vegan and a carnivore her diet did not kill her.

Warpy

(111,367 posts)
135. No, being vegan has nothing to do with it
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:22 AM
May 2016

Being unprepared and not bringing 02 with you has a great deal to do with it.

Visitors out here to NM who have wanted to ride the tram have gotten mild altitude sickness at the top. It's no joke, even the mild form that goes away when they ride back down off the mountain.

It's the hypoxia leading to cerebral edema, not the diet.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
3. Her Death Says Nothing to Me About Weakness of Vegans?
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

I don't think her death says anything about being a vegan. There are lots of people who aren't vegan who die from altitude sickness.

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. Maybe people from Vega should not be climbing tall mountains.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016

Especially when they hypocritically use it as a promotion for their vegan religion... And then they die in the attempt.

I don't want to see fruitarians or breathairians die either, but apparently that is their choice as well. It is sad what people talk themselves into.

Food is good for you. Eat food.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
23. FYI the poster you're responding to
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

has a longstanding hatred for vegans. Doesn't make a secret of it.

longship

(40,416 posts)
26. Making fun of hypocrites
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

Who set out to prove that vegans can do anything and undermine their entire argument by demonstrating the contrary.

If the poor woman didn't die, it might be laughable. Frankly, I find it sorrowful and a bit pitiful.

Why do people have to proselytize their chosen diets? A most useless endeavor.

Don't get me started about breathairians.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
43. And if she had died by getting hit by lightning, would you make that about her diet, as well?
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

Her diet had ZERO influence on her developing altitude sickness.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
65. She made it about her diet.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

Blaming people for noticing she instead provided fodder for the exact opposite seems pretty strange. If she hadn't made it about her diet it wouldn't be a story.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
86. And the cause of her death had nothing to do about her diet. There might be a point IF she had
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

collapsed from exhaustion but she did not. She died from altitude sickness for which diet and fitness are not factors.

Consider this, "Vegan who bragged about climbing Everest dies in an avalanche." Her diet would have had as much influence over her ability to survive it as it did for her ability to survive altitude sickness.

Or, what if a vegan brags about running a 26 mile marathon then gets hit by a car?


You are making the cause of her death about her diet.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
95. Or consider this
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

Mountain climber dies of altitude sickness.

Mouintain climber that told how she and her husband wanted to dispel the belief that vegans were 'weak' dies of altitude sickness.

One of those made it about her Veganism.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
97. What are doing here is promoting the propaganda that diet can cause altitude sickness. Or that
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

altitude sickness is a sign of weakness or malnutrition.

It isn't. She got altitude sickness despite her strength and fitness. As do many robust and healthy meat eaters.

You are trying to create a link between her cause of death and her diet. Doing so is as ignorant if she had died by lightning strike.

They are unrelated.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
22. Carnivore Here
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

Sounds like you have an unhealthy fixation about what other people choose to eat. I could care less what they eat unless they try to force me to eat it. I'm a meat and potato person myself. I Hate most veggies & seafood.

Authoritarians who try to tell other people what to do turn me off and when they try to push their nonsense using a story that has nothing to do with what the woman ate is very revealing.

longship

(40,416 posts)
30. "I am going to show the world that vegans can climb Mount Everest!!"
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

Maybe you missed the utter irony in the situation.

I don't give a fuck what people eat. They can eat shit for all I care. But when they argue about what I should be able to eat, I draw the line.

I am an omnivore. In my late years I eat less meat than I used to. But unlike this sadly dead vegan, I don't try to convert people to my diet.

Eat what you want. Food is good for you. Eat food.

former9thward

(32,096 posts)
60. How do you know?
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

Did you do her autopsy? What was the Iron level in her blood? Hint: Iron is used to deliver oxygen to the body. Doctors will tell you vegans often have low iron levels. People who are fit can get altitude sickness but people who are fit are less likely to suffer from it. So your statement that fitness has "nothing to do with fitness or diet." is nonsense.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
37. Who cares?
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

Who cares if she said that? She has a right to say whatever she wants. Why don't you try not listening to them if you think they are trying to tell you what to eat? Sounds like you're the one who is eat up with this. This woman died, her words can't hurt you any more. Let it go.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
39. Obviously you DO care about what other people eat
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

Or you wouldn't be illogically calling this woman a 'hypocrite' for dying while attempting Everest. She was 1 of 2 people to die on Everest in the past few days from altitude sickness complications. It's not 'hypocritical' to follow a diet. She had previously climbed Aconcagua, Denali and Kilimanjaro. She was probably far fitter than you or I will ever be.

longship

(40,416 posts)
45. No, I really don't give a damn.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

However, I just find people who can't stop talking about their chosen diet, boorish.

Eat what you want. Leave everybody to do the same.

If one is vegan, good for them! What's that to do with me? Oh! I see. They think I should be vegan, too. Why don't they go back to Vega and leave other people alone?

Too many of them can't. And now some apparently die trying. That's sad.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
52. You've cared enough to call her a 'hypocrite' twice, despite not knowing
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

what the word means. You're riled up about this. You think that someone talking about being a vegan means they're not 'leaving you alone', despite you never having heard a word she said until now. You are acting irrationally.

Maybe you should be angry at the Daily Mail for reporting it, or the thread starter for repeating it where you might see it? That would make just as much sense as being angry at her saying it to her university.

longship

(40,416 posts)
58. She was a hypocrite for thinking that her surviving Mt Everest...
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

Would have been at all anything to do with her chosen diet. But she's the one who made it the issue!!!

I merely pointed out the sad irony and hypocrisy of it all, that somebody would actually think that.

If she had safely gained the summit and returned she would have likely been trumpeting her veganism all over. She as much as said herself that is why she did it.

Now, she's a sad ironic lesson. And she didn't exactly help vegans in their proselytization of their food religion.

I feel for her family.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
63. I think you need this:
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocrite

And maybe you should read this, since you appear to be the kind of person she was talking about:

Dr Strydom and her husband are not only experienced climbers, they are also both vegan. She said they were inspired to climb the seven summits after receiving numerous questions about their iron and protein deficiencies.

“It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak,” Dr Strydom said. “By climbing the seven summits we want to prove that vegans can do anything and more.”

http://monash.edu/news/show/lecturer-faces-new-heights

Meanwhile:

Mick Allen is no stranger to high altitude climbing, having summited various peaks throughout the world.

Three years ago he climbed Cho Oyu, the world's sixth highest peak, without oxygen.
...
Mick, who has been a vegetarian all his life, became a vegan two years ago.

"I can run faster and longer and recover quicker as a result," he said.

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/people/Mick-has-sights-set-on-Everest-without-oxygen-89b2fa98-7838-44e7-b257-e3f26d7a4423-ds


22nd May 04:40am Nepali Time
Great news, just after first light, Mick Allen is the first climber to reach the summit this morning. He switched over to using oxygen from about 8400m after his feet started to get really cold, so a really sensible decision by Mick to carry the oxygen. The oxygen made a huge difference and he started to get feeling back in his feet after 10 minutes. Not sure if he was also drinking rocket fuel while he was up their but he’s made the summit in fantastic time. The rest of the team are still making their way up towards the summit and will hopefully join him soon.

https://www.adventurepeaks.com/everest-north-lhakpa-ri-north-col-expeditions/

longship

(40,416 posts)
71. Again. I don't give a damn what they eat, or don't eat.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

But I am not the one proselytizing my food choices. They are.

Lancero

(3,015 posts)
55. You say you don't give a damn. 8 posts show otherwise.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

For not giving a shit about the topic you sure seem to be posting a lot in it. Roughly 15% of the posts in this topic.

Ironically hypocritical of you.

longship

(40,416 posts)
61. I am just responding.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

I don't give a damn. But I also wish people who adhere to food-based religions (vegan, fruitarians, breathairians) to just leave people alone about their diets.

This woman died trying to promote her food-based religion. That is the saddest part of the entire matter. What a waste!

longship

(40,416 posts)
66. No I don't.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

However, if you get in my face about your chosen diet, I am going to have some issues.

I am also a lifelong atheist, but I don't tell people unless it comes up in conversation. Note: that hardly never happens with another atheist. It is universally the theists who bring up religion. Some people cannot stop talking about it.

This woman made her vegan diet the issue, not me.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
119. Naw dude, you post more about vegan diets than I do, and I host the Veg*n/AR group.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

Pull the other one.

longship

(40,416 posts)
122. I rarely post in the vegan group.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

But food-based religion disgusts me.

Eat what you choose! But don't make a Mt. Everest summit attempt an exemplar of how healthy and wonderful your food choices are. Whatever you do, do not pin your success on such a venture to such a shallow thing as "I eat only vegetables."

That would be a stupid thing to do, especially since 230+ people have died trying what you are about to attempt.

It is not that she died of altitude sickness -- why in the fuck didn't you take oxygen? -- it's that her and her husband hitched their "seven summits" wagon to their vegan diet.

Well, maybe they ought to have tried the "seven second summits". It would have been a bit easier, however the Asian second summit is K2, which is a more deadly summit than Everest. The "Seven Third Summits" isn't much better. It includes Kangchenjunga, a summit with a rather extraordinary death rate.

But, by all means, assign your survival -- so far -- to the fact that you eat only vegetables. That is until you get to one of the 14 8,000 meter peaks (all in the Himilayas) where being either a vegan or an omnivore isn't going to help you.

I would bet they tried it without oxygen. Because... you know, vegan!

longship

(40,416 posts)
126. In my opinion, they should all go back to Vega.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

And I am a firm believer that ridicule for ridiculous concepts is both fun and appropriate. Now I am sad that this woman died. But this was her choice, and she did it because of her fucking menu choice!!!!!


LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
127. Hey thanks for letting me know you had trollish posts in the group.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:47 AM
May 2016

Somehow I'd missed them, I went looking to see if they were as dickish as you are in GD. They were, and now you're blocked.

longship

(40,416 posts)
131. No loss.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

I am not against vegetarianism, vegans, or animal rights. I am against their rather crazy health claims, none of which are supported by the science, that is somehow more healthy. It isn't. It just isn't.

The most healthy diet is a diverse one, with meat or not, whether one eats dairy or not, or eggs or not. Being vegan or vegetarian does not give anybody any special privilege to health claims since it is all basically calories and protein and nutrients which come from any number of sources.

One chooses. That is the issue here. Vegans ban from their group because they cannot tolerate diet choice. If one eats meat... Gone. Well, I also eat eggs!!! Clutch your pearls.

I don't recommend you attempt to prove that your diet is better by trying to climb Everest, and especially not K2, which was the entire point of this thread.

Apparently some of you are suffering from irony deficiency disorder. And I don't for a minute think that it is a diet insufficiency.

Don't take it personally. I literally don't care what you eat. Just leave my diet to my choice. And if people did not climb deadly mountains merely to promote their chosen diets, the world would be a better place.


longship

(40,416 posts)
132. It's not their diet, it is their behavior.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

Theirs is a food-based religion. They not only don't want to eat meat, they want nobody else to eat meat, or dairy, or eggs, etc.

Most of them are reasonable. My cousin is one of those. His whole family is vegan. And he never says a word about it. And if you go to eat at his house, the food is fairly awesome.

But then there are those who seem to have to proselytize their diet choices. Well, screw them.

Eat what you want. Just shut up about it. Don't make it like a religion. That just makes it suck.

My best to you.


yewberry

(6,530 posts)
133. You are the omnivore version of the proselytizing vegan you hate.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

Any time anyone mentions veg*nism, you come out swinging.

"Vegans are fucking idiots."

"Vegans are loonies."

"The only hope for vegans is that will likely die off..."

"Fuck vegans."

Most veg*ns are reasonable, just like most omnivores. You do not happen to be one of those people.

And again, you can shove your best regards.

longship

(40,416 posts)
134. Eat what you want, with my best regards.
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:12 AM
May 2016

Just keep your diet to yourself.

Again, it's the behavior. They not only don't eat meat, they want nobody else to eat meat either.

That is a rather big problem. For instance, what does one do with all the cows? They cannot live in the wild because they are domesticated. There's all that animal husbandry over thousands of years which gave rise to today's domesticated cows.

Now one can make ethical arguments about not eating meat, and that is part of why I eat a lot less of it at my age. I suggest that you look up Temple Grandin, a rather awesome person who is an academic at the height of such ethical questions.

But I am not the vegan's enemy here, except maybe to point out when one climbs Mount Everest in advocacy for a vegan diet, that might not be a very good idea.

Your best argument is ethical treatment of animals. Stick with that. It's the one that convinces. Ditch the health claims -- no educated person thinks vegans aren't healthy (I reserve that ridicule to the fruitarians and breathairians) -- especially if one is using it to justify climbing one of the 14 8,000 meter summits, all fucking dangerous, all in the Himalayas.

My whole point here is that you are not at all helping your case with that argument.

And yes, my best to you.



yewberry

(6,530 posts)
157. Your arguments are ridiculous.
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

Your tone is condescending, and please don't advise me to look up Grandin. She is not exactly the latest news.

You've already told me to fuck off & wished for my death, all without me mentioning my diet. So cram your snotty pleasantries.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
149. You make many unsupported allegations to rationalize your choice of vulgarity towards them.
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

You make many unsupported allegations to rationalize your choice of vulgarity towards them.

2naSalit

(86,824 posts)
105. Indeed
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:49 PM
May 2016

like, what about that second person who also died on the same day of the same cause, didn't say whether he was a vegan...

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. I definitely don't have that "thrill seeking gene".
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

No interest in Everest, skydiving, parasailing, any of that stuff. I'm not even crazy about Space Mountain.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,372 posts)
6. If I wanted to experience daredevil risky thrills, ...
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

... I'd move to a caucus state.

Voting is just so ... tame.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
28. I do but I'll stay off of Everest especially since I don't have the money to climb
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

I don't want to die of altitude sickness or oxygen deprivation or whatever it is

ProfessorGAC

(65,228 posts)
145. I've Done Parasailing
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

The other stuff, i'm with you. I felt parasailing was reasonably safe (and not all that daring) because the parasail is open before you ever leave the ground. If it weren't you wouldn't go up in the air.

The jumping out of perfectly good plane, or mountain climbing, i leave be.

Response to Kang Colby (Original post)

REP

(21,691 posts)
12. Many people have no business on Everest; their diet has nothing to do with that
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

It's true I don't "get" mountain climbing and have no wish to risk my life or others doing it, it seems like every dipshit with more money than sense wants to summit Everest as though it's merely a super-tough rock wall at their gym, rather than a dangerous mountain that's littered with crap (literal and figurative) from people traipsing up it for personal growth.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
13. Being vegan had nothing to do with it
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

Who wrote this? The beef industry? "See? People who only eat plant based proteins die when they climb Mt. Everest."

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
14. She did state that she felt she had something to prove as a vegan.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

Why do you think she felt that way?

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
27. Yes.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

Do you think she proved what she set out to? I doubt it. Her statements essentially furthered the stigma. It's just food for thought.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
36. She didn't die because she's a vegan. Are you purposely being obtuse?
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

Sure, she was on a mission to prove that vegans can do anything...and they can. They can also die on Mt. Everest just like everyone else that wasn't a vegan that died on Mt. Everest.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
59. No, not really, here is the gist of it
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

Person believes that being a vegan doesn't make them any different than anyone else.

But person decides to be vegan because they think it does make them different (more healthy/etc).

Person uses her status as being a vegan to show that she isn't different.

She proves her point.

So, she sort of won the argument while missing the idea that being vegan in the first place made her somehow better.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
67. Is that what she told you, that being vegan somehow made her better?
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

I'm sorry. I didn't know you had that conversation with her, my bad.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
73. "We want to prove that vegans can do anything and more."
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016
"It seems that people have this warped idea of vegans being malnourished and weak," she said in March.

"We want to prove that vegans can do anything and more."


I am not saying she was in anyway a bad person, she was, from what I can tell, pretty awesome (and she didn't like hillary too much either it seems).

So this isn't about her the person, but about the ideas surrounding a lifestyle choice which someone set out to prove made them something different (and healthier) and proving that, in the end, we all just die anyway.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
88. That is because people keep fucking telling vegans that they are malnourished and weak.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

I don't know how many times I hear that shit. And yes, sometimes I feel that I need to prove that I've plenty of stamina and strength no matter how many stupid questions and assumption people make.

Her statement wasn't that she is healthier but rather she is healthy enough no matter how weak and malnourished meat eaters assume she might be.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
91. I see.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

And you would also, possibly, note that vegans tell people who aren't all sorts of things as well?

let's face it, people preach to others about things on all sides. From people who don't smoke to people who don't eat meat to conservatives whining about abortion, there are zealots who try to make people feel like shit about their personal choices.

I don't wander about labeling myself non-vegan. I don't set my status to that, I don't meet people and say "Hi, I eat meat."

If I had climbed that mountain and said "I vape and sometimes smoke and wanted to show people it doesn't mean xyz" and I died you bet your sweet ass there would be some very liberal folks jumping all over that. People die from the same shit all the time - whether they are vegan, smokers, gun owners, or fitness fanatics who spend 2 hours at a gym all day.

And, again, most people don't go through their life blabbing about their choices when doing something "I eat fast food, hamburgers, and I did a 5k walk, woohoo, it means something!" but, for some reason, some people do.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
108. Apparently, you've never met a cave man aficionado. And yes, if the conversation veers to the
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

environment or climate change, I will talk a vegetarianism. If the conversation is about the sanctity of cats and dogs, I will talk about vegetarianism.

If you had climbed that mountain bragging about vaping and smoking and then died from a condition unrelated to vaping and smoking, then those criticizing you would be ignorant assholes.

The grave dancing for this woman is quite revealing.

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
136. Vegans don't have to preach to catch shit from people.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:58 AM
May 2016

As far as "going through their life blabbing about their choices" well, it's kind of hard to keep it a secret if they ever actually spend time with other people. People do notice, and they do ask about it.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
24. I hope you're just playing dumb
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

Are you trying to say that maybe she deserved it by making a big deal about being vegan?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,220 posts)
17. I wonder if she had any blood tests before she went
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

She was only 34. Many premenopausal women are borderline anemic even if they eat meat. You can certainly get enough iron on a vegan diet but you have to make a point of it. Low iron and thin air are a deadly combination.

danimich1

(175 posts)
70. It's ridiculous
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

There are preachy people all over the place. I highly doubt that vegans preach more than the average person who believes strongly in something. I think some people have guilt issues, so they attack vegans to make themselves feel better.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
72. It was news to me
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

until I saw some of the crazy comments in this thread. Reading your comments and the ones here, I think you might be onto something.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
148. I think what most in the thread have their undies in a wad about --
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:43 PM
May 2016

Is that people keep stereotyping, but they're not addressing that.

As an example it's always "Vegans" instead of "Some vegans" etc

I've read the majority of the thread and they are broad brushing beyond belief. Instead of addressing the fact that they are stereotyping, they're just bickering. Every set of beliefs have their crowers, but they don't speak for or represent everyone in that group.

You're right, it is ridiculous.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
32. And I'm sure it's only vegans who die on the mountain.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

Oh, wait.

Was she blonde? If so then the headline should have read "Blonde Dies on Mt. Everest".

Or maybe she was a redhead.

Oh, I know. She was a Liberal:" "Liberal Dies on Mt. Everest". Ah, that's so typical of those silly Liberals.


Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
41. And you are making her death about veganism. Her diet and fitness had ZERO influence on
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

her cause of death.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
48. No I'm not. And you don't know that her diet and fitness had nothing to do with this.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

Low iron levels may have played some role but that's just speculation. Making that claim is no different than what you are claiming though.

How can you say her diet and fitness had nothing to do with this?

I have nothing against vegans by the way. This story was only worthy of discussion due to the statements she made before her failed attempt to climb Everest.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
56. Look up altitude sickness and its causes. Fitness and diet are pretty much ruled out. ALSO,
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

vegans are no more prone to iron deficiency than meat eaters. The rate of iron deficiency in vegans and meat eaters are about the same.

Any vegan that eats healthfully is going to get plenty of iron whether they know it or not.

Hekate

(90,849 posts)
42. Altitude sickness has killed any number of strong omnivorous hikers. She's not an object lesson...
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

...for anything, and it's rather cruel to use her death to try to make her into one.

TexasProgresive

(12,159 posts)
47. Did being vegan contributed to the altitude sickness?
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

It is possible that she was anemic from not eating meat but I would think as a doctor she would be taking iron and B-12.

TexasProgresive

(12,159 posts)
68. Fine, but was her being vegan what contributed to her death?
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

or did she succumb to altitude sickness like many other climber before her?

Texasgal

(17,048 posts)
76. Being Vegan had nothing to do
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

with her demise. I agree!

Lot's of people die on Everest every season in the same manner. Dumb headline. My heart goes out to her family and friends!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
75. Mount Everest has claimed a lot of bodies over the decades, sorry to hear more added.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

A lot of people say it is her diet, well maybe but also it is freakin MOUNT EVEREST! That is not a kiddie hill by any means of the imagination!

Only the most fit (mentally and physically) should even think about the long climb.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
79. Stupid headline.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

It could've just as easily read

"Woman's death proves that Aussies shouldn't attempt Everest."

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
100. She decided to make this about being vegan in that she wanted to prove vegans can climb Mt. Everest.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

I don't have a position on that, but her statements beforehand set this sad example of irony in motion.

klook

(12,171 posts)
81. I don't care if she was a fucking Mac user.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

Oh, sorry - wrong religious war.

Note to all: the Trash Thread button is your friend.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
84. Wow. Didn't we all condemn Bill Frist for diagnosing Terri
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

Shaivo from the Senate floor based on a video the family made. And the people here are not even doctors. The story is ironic, not diagnostic. It's not just the Teabaggers that are blinded by "conventional wisdom" for lack of knowledge.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
85. Exactly.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

I posted this due to the sad and unfortunate irony. Not as a discussion of the merits of veganism.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
92. Jesus. 250 dead on that mountain
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

and she is probably the first vegan.

who wrote this story, bigAg and the atkins company?

rip to all the climbers, but the idea that this was due to her diet is INSANE

she probably had thinner blood and less crap in her arteries and less body fat to drag up the mountain, all of which may have added to her survival odds

pffft


restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
109. i wondered about the sherpas
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

cool. and they often go up without supplemental o2

so much for veggie eaters being weak.......

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
110. Well, they do have the advantage of evolution.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:13 PM
May 2016

It is interesting. Some sherpas are 100% vegetarian. But others will buy meat but won't slaughter while disdaining butchers as lower class.

Talk about cognitive dissonance!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
153. they certainly have been acclimated
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

i think the strange "i might eat it but won't kill it" thing comes from buddhism. some buddhists will eat meat offered but not if a specific animal was killed just for them to eat it. perhaps a variation of the "if its already dead" theme

life is simpler to just avoid it completely, imo

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
158. Many carry a genetic mutation that improves high-altitude O2 transfer
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/jul/02/mutation-gene-tibetans-altitude

A gene that controls red blood cell production evolved quickly to enable Tibetans to tolerate high altitudes, a study suggests. The finding could lead researchers to new genes controlling oxygen metabolism in the body.

An international team of researchers compared the DNA of 50 Tibetans with that of 40 Han Chinese and found 34 mutations that have become more common in Tibetans in the 2,750 years since the populations split. More than half of these changes are related to oxygen metabolism.

The researchers looked at specific genes responsible for high-altitude adaptation in Tibetans. "By identifying genes with mutations that are very common in Tibetans, but very rare in lowland populations we can identify genes that have been under natural selection in the Tibetan population," said Professor Rasmus Nielsen of the University of California Berkeley, who took part in the study. "We found a list of 20 genes showing evidence for selection in Tibet - but one stood out: EPAS1."

The gene, which codes for a protein involved in responding to falling oxygen levels and is associated with improved athletic performance in endurance athletes, seems to be the key to Tibetan adaptation to life at high altitude. A mutation in the gene that is thought to affect red blood cell production was present in only 9% of the Han population, but was found in 87% of the Tibetan population.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
93. Each and every one of us...
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

... make decisions as to how we are going to live our lives. When one does that, they have to live (or die) with the consequences. It's so sad. She looked like such a vibrant happy & healthy person in the pictures. And she was, until her body ran out of oxygen. Why didn't she have an oxygen tank with a canula in her nose? I would think that O2 would be required on those mountain climbs.

longship

(40,416 posts)
106. And sadly, the dead.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

The mountainside is virtually littered with bodies, many for decades never to be recovered.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
112. I have no opinion about this woman's diet,
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:25 PM
May 2016

but the underlying problem is that so many people are climbing that mountain.

Here are some photos:

A line of climbers on the Lhotse face of Mt. Everest. I believe this was taken last year.


Another picture of climbers near the summit


And then there's the trash left behind


More trash
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Not to mention all the used oxygen tanks


I won't post pictures of the many bodies that have been left on the mountain. But they're readily found on line.

Orrex

(63,228 posts)
114. It's unfortunate that she died, but...
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

I have to admit that I'd have collapsed and expired long before reaching base camp.

 
115. "Dutch national Eric Arnold, 36, also died after falling ill."
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

From the article, which doesn't mention anything about Arnold's eating habits. I simply don't see the connection to veganism.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
137. Staying at 26k feet was more than likely what killed her, not being vegan.
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:39 AM
May 2016

High altitude climbing is dangerous for anyone, and while she was an experienced climber, that can lead to overconfidence. She should have went to a much lower elevation when she was feeling ill rather than just the camp at 26k.

The article doesn't give any information about the procedures used for slowly acclimating to such evations, either. If people don't properly acclimate themselves each time, elevations of just 14k can cause acute mountain sickness. In addition, another person died from altitude sickness in the same trip, with no mention of veganism.



Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
138. dumb...
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

Everest kills respected, experienced, world-class climbers with shocking regularity...

I'll never know the appeal for so many amateurs who are willing to roll the dice...

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
155. excellent point
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:52 PM
May 2016

sheldon: a physics point
amy: touche

could not resist
but yes, a frail wallflower she was not

Lancero

(3,015 posts)
144. For all of the anti-vegans here dumping on her at least SHE was brave enough to try.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:51 PM
May 2016

Unlike, well... All of you.

She failed in her climb, but the fact that she attempted it goes to show that she was far stronger then any of her detractors.

Put that on your plate and eat it.

freeplessinseattle

(3,508 posts)
156. How many vegans made it that we didn't know their eating habits?
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

Plus I'd wager there's quite a few vegetarians, and vegans, in Tibet and Nepal.

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