Tue May 24, 2016, 04:36 AM

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Establishment Dems Fight to Defeat 'Medicare-for-All' in Colorado

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/20/establishment-dems-fight-defeat-medicare-all-colorado

Highlighting the divisions in the Democratic party this election, Colorado's ballot measure for a universal, single-payer healthcare plan is facing unexpected resistance from the very same party that has been calling for such a healthcare plan since the 1990s.

"There is a disconnect between the powers that be and the people," said state senator Irene Aguilar, a former doctor and the chief architect of the statewide 'Medicare-for-all,' called ColoradoCare, in an interview with the Guardian. "The powers that be are incrementalists. There hasn't been a courage of conviction to try and deal with [healthcare coverage]."

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Clinton's campaign is directly linked to Coloradans for Coloradans, the most prominent organization opposing ColoradoCare. Formed solely to defeat the measure, Coloradans for Coloradans is being funded by the very same consultant firm currently working for the Clinton super PAC Priorities USA, as Lee Fang reported in the Intercept.

While a stance for the ACA and against single payer is the least popular with the public, it is the most popular within a certain sector of the population: pharmaceutical and healthcare companies.

Indeed, in Colorado the "anti-single-payer effort is funded almost entirely by health care industry interests," Fang reported, "including $500,000 from Anthem Inc., the state’s largest health insurance provider; $40,000 from Cigna, another large health insurer that is current in talks to merge with Anthem; $75,000 from Davita, the dialysis company; $25,000 from Delta Dental, the largest dental insurer in the state; and $100,000 from SCL Health, the faith-based hospital chain."

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Establishment Dems Fight to Defeat 'Medicare-for-All' in Colorado (Original post)	eridani	May 2016	OP
Would these be the same establishment Democrats who assured us Obamacare was but	merrily	May 2016	#1
These fake Dems	TrueDemVA	May 2016	#3
The whole fake Dems, real Dems debate is counter productive, IMO.	merrily	May 2016	#4
Absolutely agree	TrueDemVA	May 2016	#13
Oh, I am very pro a fight. Which war(s) to fight, however, is another issue.	merrily	May 2016	#14
We agree	TrueDemVA	May 2016	#15
A group of Bernie's campaign staff split off of the campaign to start Bernie's next assault.	Dustlawyer	May 2016	#32
Didn't know that.	Duval	May 2016	#39
Website Link	baran	May 2016	#42
Thanks. Great.	JDPriestly	May 2016	#86
So now we know why staffers 'abandoned' his campaign....	blackspade	May 2016	#47
Just to repeat: MID-TERMS ARE IMPORTANT, PEOPLE!! :)	Beartracks	May 2016	#56
I hope so	TrueDemVA	May 2016	#69
This is excellent news	passiveporcupine	May 2016	#74
Very sad, but very true	nikto	May 2016	#82
These Democrats are economic RepubliCONS	fasttense	May 2016	#19
Are you sure neoliberals have no problems with social liberal ideals?	merrily	May 2016	#23
Hmm good point	fasttense	May 2016	#54
this sort of verifies what Bernie has been saying all the time-The third way gang!	dmosh42	May 2016	#2
How? The campaign and a pro-Clinton PAC hired the same consultant	Recursion	May 2016	#6
Definitely	pengu	May 2016	#26
You mean besides Hillary herself saying it?	Jackilope	May 2016	#27
Basically said it? She couldn't have said it any louder than the scream when she said it. n/t	tom_kelly	May 2016	#34
A 1995 Clinton era trade deal made it that way. To get single payer we have to change it first.	Baobab	May 2016	#59
Thank you n/t	tom_kelly	May 2016	#70
There's a difference in saying it won't happen with our Congress and saying she doesn't want it to	Hoyt	May 2016	#53
as far as I can tell she opposes it in principle and practice	stupidicus	May 2016	#60
I think she's politically astute and she'll get us closer to SP than Sanders	Hoyt	May 2016	#64
if and ONLY if	stupidicus	May 2016	#67
A Public Option is market based only in the sense that it lets us	Hoyt	May 2016	#68
none of that alters the deliberate deception behind the claim	stupidicus	May 2016	#87
Again, she says single payer won't happen. Similarly if asked, she would say cancer will not be	Hoyt	May 2016	#90
meaningless garbage that in no rebuts her anti-gov/single payer stance	stupidicus	May 2016	#98
Our government is fighting single pyer around the world, public education too.	Baobab	May 2016	#104
She's right for forseeable future ....	AlbertCat	May 2016	#62
She had a good plan at the time. Might as well criticize Truman who first proposed	Hoyt	May 2016	#65
She had a good plan at the time.	AlbertCat	May 2016	#66
It was a cover up to cover up that they were writing an FTA that made single payer FTA illegal.	Baobab	May 2016	#113
It was not a good plan considering that at the same time they were writing the global deal	Baobab	May 2016	#107
She had to hide GVT5- people would have gone insane in 1994 if they knew about GVT5	Baobab	May 2016	#106
"Public option" fails because of bothGATS Article I:3 (b)(c) issue AND AdverseSelection>death spiral	Baobab	May 2016	#75
The GATS is junk. Any country is allowed to rescind GATS assuming it even applies in this	Hoyt	May 2016	#83
TiSA uses ISDS so TiSA is more binding. See the Maine ctpc document.	Baobab	May 2016	#88
There is absolutely nothing in all of that which prohibits the USA from going to a Public Option,	Hoyt	May 2016	#89
Yes there is, you don't even have the foggiest idea of what you are saying.	Baobab	May 2016	#91
Then tell Sanders to quit talking about Single Payer. Sorry you are wrong.	Hoyt	May 2016	#97
USTR supports my position, other countries can't have it. We obviously can't have it either.	Baobab	May 2016	#99
Looks like Maine went ahead with its health plan, despite inquiry you cite written 10 years ago.	Hoyt	May 2016	#102
No, it died.	Baobab	May 2016	#108
No it ended in 2013, being replaced by ACA. There goes your GATS concern.	Hoyt	May 2016	#109
Thats what I meant. Nothing can change because of GATS. ACA is another in a chain of failures.	Baobab	May 2016	#110
Things have changed since GATS started a few decades ago. You need a new world conspiracy theory.	Hoyt	May 2016	#111
No they havent, as I said, its clear from TiSA	Baobab	May 2016	#112
Keep killing people. No way.	Baobab	May 2016	#100
Hiring the same consultant is a "direct link"?	Recursion	May 2016	#5
Hillary herself said it will never happen. nt	retrowire	May 2016	#30
"There is a disconnect between the powers that be and the people" clearly states the party`s problem	democrank	May 2016	#7
Have to protect the private corporate interests ..	ananda	May 2016	#8
I'm shocked, shocked, I...well, no I'm not.	ms liberty	May 2016	#9
K&R! This post should receive hundreds of recommendations.	Enthusiast	May 2016	#10
All part of the Dem leadership plan to keep the Republican Party viable.	Scuba	May 2016	#11
Right on point...	disillusioned73	May 2016	#72
They have been doing this for a while.	Enthusiast	May 2016	#77
A Preview Of A HRC Administration	cantbeserious	May 2016	#12
Please stop	roomtomove	May 2016	#24
Bug In Honor Of Fallen DU Comrades At The Hands Of Paid Disruptors	cantbeserious	May 2016	#25
Never in my voting life did I expect Democrats to fight against	AllyCat	May 2016	#16
They're been doing it for over 20 years. NT	clg311	May 2016	#45
Help bankrupt everybody.	Baobab	May 2016	#92
Policy before party.	Promethean	May 2016	#17
See my post above, Bernie and some of his now former campaign staff have a plan.	Dustlawyer	May 2016	#33
Bottom line: insurance companies get what they pay for.	Vinca	May 2016	#18
When two politicians agree, you don't need one of them. These voters might	jtuck004	May 2016	#20
So by incremental they mean nothing	ybbor	May 2016	#21
YAY! Let's keep the bake-sale-to-bankruptcy Insurance"Care" going!!	HughBeaumont	May 2016	#22
Kicked.	MaeScott	May 2016	#28
kick	midnight	May 2016	#29
knr!	retrowire	May 2016	#31
+1000000!	SammyWinstonJack	May 2016	#50
You get what you vote for	Victor_c3	May 2016	#55
The D brand is severely tarnished. It's looking a lot like the R brand of yesteryear. -nt	CrispyQ	May 2016	#35
This election is party over principle	Feeling the Bern	May 2016	#76
K&R!!!	Katashi_itto	May 2016	#36
well gosh, I wonder why dems are fighting against medicare for all since they would	bbgrunt	May 2016	#37
Fucking pathetic.	blackspade	May 2016	#38
pathetically laughable.	Hiraeth	May 2016	#40
A rose by any other name	SusanLarson	May 2016	#41
Once again, Hillary and her supporters are squarely on the side	SheilaT	May 2016	#43
We're getting Hillary for the same reason we got Obamacare...	afertal	May 2016	#44
Or die with it if you're poor. Around a million and a half have.	Baobab	May 2016	#96
Damn—we need Bernie.	zentrum	May 2016	#46
This is why I'm having such a hard time deciding....	mudstump	May 2016	#48
Establiment dems	jpmonk91	May 2016	#49
Of late, I prefer to call them Vichy Democrats nt	dflprincess	May 2016	#71
It's an excellent name, Vichy Democrats.	Enthusiast	May 2016	#81
Very appropriate to this situation, given Hillary's propensity to grandiosity and millitarism.	Baobab	May 2016	#93
Shameful. Profits over people.	azmom	May 2016	#51
Very disturbing	MariaThinks	May 2016	#52
This pretty much tells everyone whose side...	ReRe	May 2016	#57
I am with you!	Enthusiast	May 2016	#78
Seriously!	ReRe	May 2016	#79
And done only to protect the profits of the health care/insurance industry.	Enthusiast	May 2016	#80
And keep people buying useless junk instead of saving money.	Baobab	May 2016	#94
Read the grey text in my sig for the other reason.	Baobab	May 2016	#95
K & R	Thespian2	May 2016	#58
sad, and for no good reasons and shameless excuses. Must be Hillarians.	stupidicus	May 2016	#61
K&R	mountain grammy	May 2016	#63
"Coloradans for Coloradans"?	MisterP	May 2016	#73
I can't believe this post has only 131 recommendations.	Enthusiast	May 2016	#84
Well, of course they do.	cliffordu	May 2016	#85
I thought all Dems were for 100% healthcare coverage? But not Hillary, huh?	Zen Democrat	May 2016	#101
I'm not sure why this is surprising. The ACA passed without a single republican vote,	hughee99	May 2016	#103
A vote for Hillary Clinton	YankeeBravo	May 2016	#105

Response to eridani (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:48 AM

merrily (45,251 posts)

1. Would these be the same establishment Democrats who assured us Obamacare was but

a first step toward Medicare for all? That the ONLY reason we were not getting anything better than Obamacare was bad, bad Leroy Lieberman (who wasn't going to run again)?* That we should never let the perfect be the enemy of the health industry bail out?

Please remember this. Please.

*

Fundraising

Since 1989, Lieberman has received more than $31.4 million in campaign donations from specific industries and sectors. His largest donors have represented the securities and investment ($3.7 million), legal ($3.6 million), real estate ($3.1 million) and health professional ($1.1 million) industries.

....
Following his retirement from the Senate, Lieberman became senior counsel of the white collar criminal defense and investigations practice at Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman, a law firm in New York City.[59] In March 2013, it was announced that Lieberman would be joining the conservative American Enterprise Institute think tank as co-chairman of their American Internationalism Project, alongside former Republican Senator Jon Kyl.[60] In February 2014, Lieberman was named as Counselor at the National Bureau of Asian Research.[61] Additionally, he serves as the Lieberman Chair of Public Policy and Public Service at Yeshiva University, where he teaches an undergraduate course in political science.

In early September 2015, Lieberman attended a rally outside the office of New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand held in the hopes that such a protest would lead the senator to retract her support for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.[62] In March 2016, Lieberman was hired by Schaghicoke Tribal Nation for the purpose of assisting the group in demolishing Connecticut laws that gave exemptions to only the top two state gaming tribes to build casinos.[63][64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman

Get it, suckas?

Establishment Dems Fight to Defeat 'Medicare-for-All' in Colorado

1. Would these be the same establishment Democrats who assured us Obamacare was but

3. These fake Dems

4. The whole fake Dems, real Dems debate is counter productive, IMO.

13. Absolutely agree

14. Oh, I am very pro a fight. Which war(s) to fight, however, is another issue.

15. We agree

32. A group of Bernie's campaign staff split off of the campaign to start Bernie's next assault.

39. Didn't know that.

42. Website Link

86. Thanks. Great.

47. So now we know why staffers 'abandoned' his campaign....

56. Just to repeat: MID-TERMS ARE IMPORTANT, PEOPLE!! :)

69. I hope so

74. This is excellent news

82. Very sad, but very true

19. These Democrats are economic RepubliCONS

23. Are you sure neoliberals have no problems with social liberal ideals?

54. Hmm good point

2. this sort of verifies what Bernie has been saying all the time-The third way gang!

6. How? The campaign and a pro-Clinton PAC hired the same consultant

26. Definitely

27. You mean besides Hillary herself saying it?

34. Basically said it? She couldn't have said it any louder than the scream when she said it. n/t

59. A 1995 Clinton era trade deal made it that way. To get single payer we have to change it first.

70. Thank you n/t

53. There's a difference in saying it won't happen with our Congress and saying she doesn't want it to

60. as far as I can tell she opposes it in principle and practice

64. I think she's politically astute and she'll get us closer to SP than Sanders

67. if and ONLY if

68. A Public Option is market based only in the sense that it lets us

87. none of that alters the deliberate deception behind the claim

90. Again, she says single payer won't happen. Similarly if asked, she would say cancer will not be

98. meaningless garbage that in no rebuts her anti-gov/single payer stance

104. Our government is fighting single pyer around the world, public education too.

62. She's right for forseeable future ....

65. She had a good plan at the time. Might as well criticize Truman who first proposed

66. She had a good plan at the time.

113. It was a cover up to cover up that they were writing an FTA that made single payer FTA illegal.

107. It was not a good plan considering that at the same time they were writing the global deal

106. She had to hide GVT5- people would have gone insane in 1994 if they knew about GVT5

75. "Public option" fails because of bothGATS Article I:3 (b)(c) issue AND AdverseSelection>death spiral

83. The GATS is junk. Any country is allowed to rescind GATS assuming it even applies in this

88. TiSA uses ISDS so TiSA is more binding. See the Maine ctpc document.

89. There is absolutely nothing in all of that which prohibits the USA from going to a Public Option,

91. Yes there is, you don't even have the foggiest idea of what you are saying.

97. Then tell Sanders to quit talking about Single Payer. Sorry you are wrong.

99. USTR supports my position, other countries can't have it. We obviously can't have it either.

102. Looks like Maine went ahead with its health plan, despite inquiry you cite written 10 years ago.

108. No, it died.

109. No it ended in 2013, being replaced by ACA. There goes your GATS concern.

110. Thats what I meant. Nothing can change because of GATS. ACA is another in a chain of failures.

111. Things have changed since GATS started a few decades ago. You need a new world conspiracy theory.

112. No they havent, as I said, its clear from TiSA

100. Keep killing people. No way.

5. Hiring the same consultant is a "direct link"?

30. Hillary herself said it will never happen. nt

7. "There is a disconnect between the powers that be and the people" clearly states the party`s problem

8. Have to protect the private corporate interests ..

9. I'm shocked, shocked, I...well, no I'm not.

10. K&R! This post should receive hundreds of recommendations.

11. All part of the Dem leadership plan to keep the Republican Party viable.

72. Right on point...

77. They have been doing this for a while.

12. A Preview Of A HRC Administration

24. Please stop

25. Bug In Honor Of Fallen DU Comrades At The Hands Of Paid Disruptors

16. Never in my voting life did I expect Democrats to fight against

45. They're been doing it for over 20 years. NT

92. Help bankrupt everybody.

17. Policy before party.

33. See my post above, Bernie and some of his now former campaign staff have a plan.

18. Bottom line: insurance companies get what they pay for.

20. When two politicians agree, you don't need one of them. These voters might

21. So by incremental they mean nothing

22. YAY! Let's keep the bake-sale-to-bankruptcy Insurance"Care" going!!

28. Kicked.

29. kick

31. knr!

50. +1000000!