OOPSIE! CIA/Pentagon accidently destroy YET ANOTHER incriminating document.

[DetlefK]

Remember the videotapes documenting the CIA torturing people?
OOPSIE! Somebody somehow deleted all of them right when an investigation started.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/washington/03web-intel.html?_r=0

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The CIA was told by the Justice Department to preserve any copies of the torture-report.
OOPSIE! By accident they destroyed every copy they could get their hands on.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/280002-cia-watchdog-accidentally-destroyed-only-copy-of-torture-report

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A whistleblower was charged with breaking an espionage-law. The Office of the Inspector General of the Pentagon had multiple legal documents showing that he had done nothing like this.
OOPSIE! Someone accidently shredded all of them.

Crane's suspicions continued to grow, especially after important documents pertaining to the Drake case disappeared from the inspector general's office. Drake's lawyer Jesselyn Raddack asked the court to demand the documents, saying they would prove that Drake was only in possession of the NSA documents on his private computer because he wanted to provide them to the inspector general. This would have granted Drake source protection and prevented him from prosecution.

But the files could allegedly no longer be found in the Office of the Inspector General -- it was claimed that they had been shredded. Staff had accidently "fucked up," Crane remembers one of his superiors telling him before adding that Crane needed to be a "team player." Crane's superior told the judge that the disappearance of the files had resulted from an error made during the routine elimination of files.

...

In reference to the doubts that he had, Snowden says: "I went to colleagues, I went to supervisors, I even went to the lawyers. You know what they said? 'You're playing with fire.'"

"The sad reality of today's policies is that going to the inspector general with evidence of truly serious wrongdoing is often a mistake. Going to the press involves serious risks, but at least you've got a chance," Snowden says. Even today, he says, there isn't a single whistleblower from the intelligence community whose disclosures didn't lead to retaliation. "We need iron-clad, enforceable protections for whistleblowers," he says. "There are no incentives for people to stand up against an agency on the wrong side of the law today, and that's got to change."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/ex-us-official-reveals-risks-faced-by-internal-govt-critics-a-1093360-2.html











The lessons:

If you are an "unsanctioned whistleblower" and you go to the press, the CIA/Pentagon will destroy your life.

If you are a "sanctioned whistleblower", if you are protected by legal safeguards specifically designed to protect people like you, if you do your whistleblowing by the book and go through official channels specifically designed for whistleblowers like you, the CIA/Pentagon will simply break the law to destroy your life.









Despite all the talk about being the best country in the world, being the Land of the Free, being the Shining City on a Hill, the US has awfully lot in common with lawless Third World dictatorships.

[Orrex]

1. Well...

Despite all the talk about being the best country in the world, being the Land of the Free, being the Shining City on a Hill, the US has awfully lot in common with lawless Third World dictatorships.

Yeah, but we do it in The Name of Freedom, while Third World dictatorships do it in the name of oppression, so it's all good. Or something.

k/r

[rhett o rick]

46. Obama owns this.

[Fast Walker 52]

2. these institutions are based on pure evil, and are infiltrated by psychopaths

the CIA needs to be broken up and the Pentagon massively downsized.

[99th_Monkey]

23. We saw how far JFK and RFK got when they tried breaking-up the CIA. n/t.

[gordianot]

33. That is a good point but recently had a conversation about MLK that brought this up.

If personal media were available in the 1960's can you imagine the impact assassinations would have had? I suspect King and both Kennedy's would have survived to old age.

[99th_Monkey]

41. hmmm ..

maybe.

Just maybe.

[Art_from_Ark]

53. How would social media have prevented JFK's assassination?

[gordianot]

54. Well for one thing the ability to photograph, make movies is everywhere.

Impossible to contain. Something happens to someone famous it goes everywhere. Social media really gets the message out quickly. Why kill someone when you can resort to character assination? Just speculation we live in an age of universal photo documentation. If an attack similar to 9/11 happened today how many phones do you think would document it? If they were truly consiparicies documentation is the last thing you want. There are still many unanswered questions that will not satisfy the public.

[gordianot]

3. It must be an epidemic just not transmitted by mosquitoes.

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Just frustrating as hell getting all secretive then being judged by stupid politicians who could care less about security.

[SheilaT]

25. Are you suggesting that

keeping these crimes secret is good because of security?

At least that's what I think this means:

Just frustrating as hell getting all secretive then being judged by stupid politicians who could care less about security.

[gordianot]

27. Not really I was just being snarky I should have added a.sarcasm notice.

Why expect in this day to cover up anything? The revolution may not be televised but will be on the internet or captured on a cellphone.

[SheilaT]

30. Ah! Okay.

I should have recognized the snark.

But thanks for clarifying.

[KansDem]

5. Welcome to the United States of Oopsie!!!

Be sure to wipe your feet...

[kentuck]

6. But, what about the emails?? !!

of Hillarys? !!

[Scuba]

8. Very similar cases in some regards (e.g., destroying evidence).

[DetlefK]

10. Yes, we should definitely focus our whole energy on that. And homos, abortion, mexican rapists...

Global warming? Pfft.
Deep-rooted corruption in core US-agencies? Pfft.
Systemic racism among police? Pfft.
Zika? Pfft.
The Pentagon is spending record amounts of money and doesn't even know how much and where? Pfft.
Citizens United legalized political bribery? Pfft.



We should definitely talk about bad IT-practices that have been known for decades.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

40. Oh, OK. So, could you please tell us the exact number of topics we are limited to

discussing?

[rhett o rick]

47. Bad IT practices? That's precious. It was a deliberate violation of good practice

to hid communications while she was on our payroll. And to insure that we didn't find the good stuff, she "wiped", another bad IT practice. Admit that if it were anyone else you'd wouldn't call it bad IT practice. I can't believe the self delusion I see here.

[DetlefK]

59. What standards did other people in her position use?

How about her assistants? How about former secretaries of state?
Did they do it the proper way?

[rhett o rick]

60. There are good reasons not to allow the SoS to operate government business on a private

server. It doesn't matter if other did it before her. It is a major security risk and NOT an accidental IT problem. And she has since deleted emails that she doesn't want us to see. Another violation of security. She has integrity problems.

[DetlefK]

61. I am asking whether she did something unusual.

Did other people use similar IT-practices?
And where were the complaints about THEM?

[rhett o rick]

62. Do you have your own opinions or just ask questions?

[DetlefK]

63. I consider myself insufficiently informed to have a meaningful opinion on this.

From what I have read, IIRC, this IT-practice of using non-government-servers was in use since the 90s.
How come there were no complaints about that back then?


Let's assume that all the accusations against Hillary Clinton are true.
Why is nobody calling for investigations into her predecessors who used similar weak standards of IT-security? If it's evil, why only condemn the most recent evil-doer?



That's what I don't get and that's why I don't understand why people make such a fuss about it.
Her server violated all sorts of security-guidelines. Ok. But why the rush to condemn her for using a modus operandi that other people got away with?
Why the double-standard?



I sincerely doubt that a busy career-politician like HRC has the time to care about IT-security. So, who installed the system? Who thought it would be okay in moral terms? Who thought it would be okay on legal terms?

The IT-guy who set up her email-server definitely knew he was doing something fishy when he set up the server. There is no way for a professional IT-guy NOT to know. So, why didn't he mention that then and there? Why didn't he go e.g. to the cyber-crime division of the FBI?

Could it be because: "Eh, who cares. We've always done business that way."

[rhett o rick]

64. Your rationalizations reveal your blinded loyalty.

Hillary Clinton has very low integrity but she is tough and that's all some care about. Some are always looking to side with the biggest bully. They no fortitude to fight for our freedoms and liberties, nor for those suffering among us. Preferring to choose the most powerful side so they can think of themselves as winners.

Consider this exchange over, I don't discuss anything with someone that has no opinions but only asks insinuating questions.
It reminds me of Faux News methods, "Wasn't Obama born in Kenya?" If you don't have facts, ask insinuating questions.

[DetlefK]

65. You would rather have me talk about things I know nothing about?

(I don't have loyalty to HRC: I'm not even a US-citizen. )

And I don't get why the bad IT-practice is a big deal now that it affects HRC but how it wasn't a big deal in the past when other people pulled similar shit.
What HRC did is bad, but it's not extraordinary.

Why is nobody asking WHY Clinton had a private email-server?
Did she order it? Did somebody at the State Department suggest it? Did an IT-guy suggest it?

I don't get why the buck arbitrarily stops at Clinton.

[JimDandy]

28. Broken windows...

but elite's like her almost never feel the repercussions of their wrongful actions.

[Scuba]

7. (Shadow) Government of the (ruling) people, by the (ruling) people, for the (ruling) people.

[malaise]

9. K & R

to expose the truth

[hobbit709]

11. What are the odds of those being coincidences?

[malthaussen]

15. Indeterminate.

Not susceptible to probability analysis. Only to common sense, which would suggest that they are about the same as a snowball's in hell.

-- Mal

[blm]

16. Like the 'fire' that destroyed an area where Bush's 'military' records were kept?

?

[Else You Are Mad]

35. Whao

I never heard about that. Did that really happened?

[Rex]

45. Or like the fire in Cheney's office that destroyed his super top secret papers.

Fire breaks out in a Cheney office
The blaze forces the evacuation of an 1888 building next to the White House. An ornate floor is damaged.
December 20, 2007|James Gerstenzang | Times Staff Writer
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WASHINGTON — A fire in an electrical closet near Vice President Dick Cheney's ceremonial office forced the evacuation Wednesday of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next door to the White House -- and sparked Internet chatter speculating on nefarious activities in the vice presidential suite.

The vice president was in the White House West Wing when the fire broke out about 9:15 a.m., White House officials said.

The fire was contained to the closet, but the elaborate floor of mahogany, white maple and cherry in the vice president's office was under water, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said. Thick black smoke "fairly filled" the second through fifth floors, she said. It billowed from an open doorway and cast a pall across the White House's north lawn.

Perino was conducting a briefing for reporters, taking questions about the CIA's destruction of videotaped interrogations , when firetrucks arrived next door. Smoke was pouring through a corridor of the Eisenhower building, and flames on the second floor could be seen briefly from the White House grounds.

[-none]

12. They really do need to prominently mark the copy machines and the cross cut shredders so people can

tell one from the other. They do look so much alike, don't they?

[dembotoz]

13. check hillarys server

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Ha!

[nyabingi]

14. I think it's way past time for a congressional inquiry

into the CIA. In fact, these need to be done at least every five years because we all know that left unchecked, these people create massive havoc around the globe and even at home.

The only way that is going to happen is if there a massive public outcry. Our politicians will eventually get off their asses and do something but only after enough hell is raised.

[DetlefK]

20. You cannot possibly be serious. Nobody gives a fuck about that. Nobody.

The Republicans won't push for an inquiry because they aren't in the business of doing things.

The Democrats won't push for an inquiry because they a) don't want to look hostile to police/CIA/Pentagon and b) don't want to rock the boat.
If there was no inquiry into whether the Iraq-war was justified, there will be no inquiry into CIA and Pentagon disappearing and fabricating evidence.





The public?
The public doesn't give a fuck about that.
The public. Doesn't. Care. At. All.
The public WILL NEVER care about this.
How do I know this?
Because I know how people think: People only care about things that involve them.
* The Iraqis that died in the Iraq-war are far-away.
* The Muslims killed by muslim extremists day-in-day-out, they are far-away.
* On the other hand, homosexuals are coming for YOUR children.
* The people who have abortions might as well be killing YOUR children.
* Transgender people will come into YOUR toilet.
* Those brown-skinned strangers are coming into YOUR country, influencing YOUR culture.
* Muslims/atheists/satanists dare having a different religion than YOUR own. Their mere existence is a stain on YOUR religion.
* YOUR taxes are too high.
* They are coming for YOUR guns.
* People believe in conspiracy-theories because it's personal! Because it makes you important! Some boogeyman is trying to deceive YOU! YOU PERSONALLY!

Why would the public care about transgressions and crimes that IN NO WAY affect them or their lives???




Example:
The public has known forever that the US-election-system is broken. People complain about it during election-season and then stop giving a shit until the next election-season rolls around.



I am hereby offering you a bet:
By February 2017, nobody will care anymore about the undemocratic ways primaries and caucuses are conducted. Until 2020.

[First Speaker]

22. This is one of the most cynical posts I've ever seen on DU...

...and one of the most accurate...

[rhett o rick]

48. I don't think it's cynical enough. While I agree with what was posted I would also

add that those who do care find out that they cant do a thing about it. The NSA/CIA run the country period. They let the president have his way to a point but otherwise they make all decisions.

[bonemachine]

31. Nailed it.

To a fuckin' tree.

[nyabingi]

32. You're right, not too many people

give a fuck about what the CIA is doing, and the reasons behind that are many. The CIA does the work of the very wealthy and powerful who pull the strings out of view of public attention - their every activity is "secret" so we are not supposed to know anything about. A society based on consumerism and personal gain encourages apathy, and this works in the favor of those who have less than benevolent intentions and motives.

There is however an activist segment of American society who DO give a fuck about this kind of thing, and it is up to them to get enough people caring about it to raise some hell. It's happened before, so it can happen again.

[Else You Are Mad]

37. Well put.

And sadly 100% correct. This needs to be made into a topic in and of itself.

Thank you for posting this.

[marmar]

17. Accidentally on purpose.

[Octafish]

18. What corruption?

What Police State?

What Secret Government?

[Rex]

44. Tee hee giggles Octafish!

You know how this is just a silly CT and we should all go back to consuming and working like good productive citizens!



It is as if Congress green lighted the CIA to do whatever the fuck it wants to! The POTUS obviously is too scared to do anything (remember they are all patriots and heroes!) about it. SO that leaves us with a bought and paid for SCOTUS...shhhitt...we be fuckered!

But hey, did you hear Trump is on all the cable news channels! Evidently the end cannot come fast enough for the MSM.

[rhett o rick]

49. Pass the blue pill and I dont mean viagra.

[avaistheone1]

66. "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use..."

as Condalezza Rice would say.

[mountain grammy]

19. K & R

[valerief]

21. Plunder and whoops! Plunder and whoops! That's the U.S. govt's policy. nt

[JEB]

24. K&R for exposure.

[think]

26. Book marking /nt

[lark]

29. We became a 3rd world nation,

the day SCOTUS broke the constitution and installed their hand selected man as president. It's all been downhill since then. Obama changed the slant of the slide, leveled us out in some areas, just made it less steep in others. Trump would change the slide to a free fall to Nazi-dom.

[japple]

36. Down the memory hole~~~

[kristopher]

38. Don't worry, this is exactly the kind of problem Hillary will rush to address.

I hear that she is all about transparency - it is a cornerstone of her entire governing philosophy.

[felix_numinous]

39. Clean Up on aisle 2016!

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Deleting=The 21st Century version of the Memory Hole of Oblivion, a dungeon where all information is kept out of news and history books.

The giant US information cache must now require it's own Department of Laundering with the smallest wiping cloths for everyday use all the way up to whitewashing ops for the catastrophe size clean ups. They call it something else--but this has to be happening at some level.

Corruption reaches a saturation point where all people are doing is cleaning up messes, which is what they actually should be doing....but they need OVERSIGHT by the right people so justice is served and the wrong people don't get off scott free.

[gordianot]

42. Case in point General Smedly Butler thwarting an actual coup.

Suppressed at the time never made the History books written for the Texas market.

[Rex]

43. Congress doesn't care what the CIA does, that is obvious.

SO why should the CIA care what it does?

[rhett o rick]

50. The CIA tells the Congress what to care about.

[Rex]

52. And probably been doing so since the OSS days.

Just another monster like the MIC and Wall Street we will have to deal with sooner or later.

[Trust Buster]

51. It's o.k., neither the Pentagon nor the CIA are running against Sanders. Move along.

[Akamai]

55. Amy Goodman in her podcast Monday this week talked about the abuse of whistleblowers -- I

just pledged her 85 dollars right now.

Great, great podcast! You can download it for free.

I urge you all to listen to it, on the Democracy Now podcast!!!

Go Bernie!!!

[hopemountain]

56. it was excellent. also,

if you have the opportunity, there is a documentary, "Silenced", worth a watch featuring crane, drake, and raddack(sp).

[uhnope]

57. you forgot to mention that the USA is the Great Satan

lol. the AmerSux program again, St. Snowden in Kremlin Paradise edition.
this

Despite all the talk about being the best country in the world, being the Land of the Free, being the Shining City on a Hill, the US has awfully lot in common with lawless Third World dictatorships.

besides being ridiculous, really looks like a lot of sour grapes

[Angel Martin]

58. the CIA is following

the document retention example of HRC

[avaistheone1]

67. This top CIA guy, former Deputy Director of Operations Jose Rodriguez took the credit on 60 Minutes.

He is rather arrogant about it too. And to top it off he has written a book with all the evil details. So evidently the CIA approves of these measures.

https://shadowproof.com/2012/04/30/former-cia-spy-jose-rodriguezs-truly-sociopathic-60-minutes-interview/