Pocahontas

[DemocratSinceBirth]

So Trump called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" at a press conference. That is a slur on Native Americans and reduces them to a caricature. He is called out on it by a Native American reporter and repeats it again. He thinks he is insulting the senator but he is insulting Native Americans.

Idiot...

[spanone]

1. an idiot could be forgiven. this is a wicked, vile monger of hate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. He doesn't get it... Dissing individuals isn't cool...

He doesn't get it. Dissing individuals isn't cool... But when you disrespect an entire group the outrage is compounded exponentially.

[Moostache]

11. He does not care.

Nor do his troglodyte followers and supporters.

That is GOP text box bigotry and it is Trump's stock in trade.
The dog whistles are just getting more explicit.

Soon, he will be referring to President Obama as "Sambo"...just wait.

[SummerSnow]

80. I'm sure he has and even worse in private. Like you said he will say it in public soon.

[Rockyj]

76. Me thanks OP for the VALIDATION!

YOU ROCK!

[es35]

78. Trump only wants to be the greatest insulter of all time - he has no intention of being President

Trump has no intention of ever being President. He just wants to go down in history as the greatest American insulter of all time. He has nothing to lose and can't go any further down in respect by the public. He only deserves our ridicule

[lapfog_1]

2. It is literally the only female Native American name he knows

Likely doesn't even know it belongs to an actual person (and not a Disney "princess&quot .

And the sad part is that this is also true of his supporters... and likely around 50% of the entire American population.

[greymattermom]

4. Pocahontas to most people these days

is the name of a Disney princess.

[L. Coyote]

5. link

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-doubles-down-elizabeth-warren-000000314.html

Donald Trump repeatedly mocked Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., as “Pocahontas” at a press conference in North Dakota on Thursday, even as a Native American woman present at the event interrupted to call his comments “offensive.”

“That’s very offensive. Sorry,” the woman said.

“Is that offensive? You tell me,” Trump asked.

The woman replied that she was offended, and Trump quickly repeated the phrase.

“Oh, oh really — oh, I’m sorry about that,“ Trump said before turning to a reporter who had asked about Warren, immediately using the term again. “Pocahontas. Is that what you said?” .....

[awoke_in_2003]

65. This guy...

I just don't know what to say about this ass. He is worse than a middle schooler, and the people are eating it up. I wish I lived in a civilized country.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Pocahontas was a victim of the American White Man's Burden.

She was not allowed to remain a Native American in her community, but claimed by the English settlers who in turn indoctrinated her to Christianity, English manners and behavior, and gave her no avenue to return to her original community.

All that's left is elementary school legend that she saved Captain John Smith's life by putting her life before his. And that made her a "good" Indian.

I'm surprised by the silence of the Native American communities. When Trump attacks one, he attacks them all.

[yellerpup]

10. We are used to it.

And it takes too long to explain the history behind the legend. And all the other 'historical' facts about NAs that are taught and are just not true.

[saidsimplesimon]

22. Native American communities, recommended no-hypocrisy

In Arizona, the poverty level on reservations is so grave they can not afford food. There are not many who can afford internet access. This is a shame.

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My great-grandma on my mother's side was introduced by my grandpa as "Indian Squaw". The family did not even record her name. Makes it hard to track back in time.

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[Jeffersons Ghost]

75. My dad loved geneology and ran into a similar problem with my Great Grandmother...

An old photo indicates she was irrefutably Native American.

[psychmommy]

37. This is true

What is even worse is. she was a preteen or teen. not the voluptuous young woman in folklore. She was a minor. The Native American community is still fighting the redskins crap. Trump is inconsequential in my book. Bigger fish to fry. Sometimes letting someones words stand for themselves is quite enough.

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. I suspect the talking yam incorrectly remembered the "Fauxcahontas" slur.

What a lout.

[femmocrat]

8. Lawrence O'Donnell did a commentary last night about her real name, Matoaka.

This is from wikipedia:

At the time Pocahontas was born, it was common for Powhatan Native Americans to be given several personal names, have more than one name at the same time, have secret names that only a select few knew, and to change their names on important occasions. Bestowed at different times, the names carried different meanings and might be used in different contexts.[13] Pocahontas was no different. Early in her life she was given a secret name, Matoaka, but later she was also known as Amonute. Matoaka means "Bright Stream Between the Hills"; Amonute cannot be translated.[14][15]

The name Pocahontas was a childhood nickname that probably referred to her frolicsome nature; according to the colonist William Strachey, it meant "little wanton",[16] some interpret the meaning as "playful one".[12] The 18th-century historian William Stith claimed that "her real name, it seems, was originally Matoax, which the Indians carefully concealed from the English and changed it to Pocahontas, out of a superstitious fear, lest they, by the knowledge of her true name, should be enabled to do her some hurt."[17] According to the anthropologist Helen C. Rountree, Pocahontas "revealed [her secret name] to the English only after she had taken another religious—baptismal—name, Rebecca".[18]

Pocahontas's Christian name, Rebecca, may have been a symbolic gesture to Rebecca of the Book of Genesis who, as the mother of Jacob and Esau, was the mother of two "nations", or distinct peoples. Pocahontas, as a Powhatan marrying an Englishman, may have been seen by herself and by her contemporaries as being also, potentially, the mother of two nations.[19]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I watched it... Most of the MSM glossed over it.

[miyazaki]

19. In watching some random tv show long ago

a historian mentioned her name essentially being translated as
'cock teaser' in a modern equivalence. Just saying.

[Equinox Moon]

12. Thank you for the awareness post

I thought it was so odd that he made that comment as though to shame her for her heritage.

WTF?!

Native peoples heritage is a very cool thing. It is of great honor. Bernie, Hillary, Elizabeth need to point this out.
It is a thing of great honor to have Native heritage.

[chknltl]

36. +1 Well said. nt

[mainer]

13. He insults everyone. It never hurts him in the polls.

Says a lot about his voters.

[Hoyt]

53. Sad, isn't it? He might not write prepared speeches, but he knows how to attract his supporters.

[OnDoutside]

81. Yes, it's fun for his supporters but he has to appeal outside the knucklescraper community.

[AllyCat]

14. Appealing to his Aryan base.

[Stuart G]

15. Perhaps this insult will help Native Americans decide to vote against him,all votes against him help

[riderinthestorm]

51. It always seems as though he gets a bump in the polls instead :(

[kairos12]

16. dRump's slurs play to his base. This he knows.

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[afertal]

17. Meanwhile, Michelle Obama...

...gave an inspiring Commencement Address at the Santa Fe Indian School yesterday, a high school run by the 19 Pueblos of New Mexico.

Their graduating class earned a record 5 million dollars in scholarships this year. Their valedictorian is headed for Columbia University.

Trump is a clueless asshole and a bigot who "has a good brain and says a lot of things.."

[fasttense]

18. Trump is just copying what Scott Brown did when he ran against her, as the incumbent

And He LOST

The KKK RepubliCONS have used that slur against her many times. But it never seems to reduce her chances of winning.

[afertal]

20. Here's Michelle Obama on the subject of Native Americans...

...yesterday at Santa Fe Indian School, a school which was once used to strip Natives of their culture, and is now run by the Pueblos and supports Native culture....

[vlyons]

21. a vulgar man

A truly vulgar man. If your children said such vulgarities, no doubt; no would discipline them and teach them to think before speaking. This man is controlled by greed and envy.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

23. K&R IMNSHO trump is a sitcom looking for a producer and distributor

Don't give him the job!

[SDJay]

24. Sadly...

We may as well get used to it. This disgusting bigot is going to spew bilious hate from that despicable cake hole every single day between now and November. He's going to whip up the other bigots out there into a frothy frenzy and he's going to tap into some of the darkest and most evil veins in our culture.

It's going to be very ugly. And likely violent.

Every single person who had anything to do with this piece of scum being nominated ought to be ashamed of him or herself. To me, this is even worse for the country than Palin, and she was one of the first who really scared the hell out of me when thinking about her in an actual position of power. This guy scares me more.

[d_legendary1]

25. Saw that on Morning Blow

Several reporters could be heard shouting "that's offensive" and he pretty much said "I don't care. Pocahontas it is!" The guy does not care about minorities at all, given the population of white non-Hispanic Americans is at 62.6% (according to wiki).

And its scary how many people resonate with his messaging. He is dragging us back to the pre-civil rights era.

[murielm99]

64. Those several reporters,

and a few others should just walk out when he is this offensive. They should stop covering his insults. I think ignoring him would go a long way.

Or, there should be large groups of people who go to his events and turn their backs.

[brer cat]

67. It would be the responsible thing to do,

but I guess ratings are more important than human decency. They are as guilty as he is in my book.

[Octafish]

26. Did any journalist call him out on his slur?

One would think our vaunted free press would notice.

[pnwmom]

57. He spoke up about it to the Don's face, and the Don just doubled down. n/t

[world wide wally]

27. I guess Trump thinks t is sophisticated humor that his followers will crack up at.

Did you see the loser behind him in the video? He thought it was hilarious!
I wonder if these are the kinds of jokes he makes at his billionaire cocktail parties.
"Oh, butler. Come here and pull my finger"

[stopbush]

28. Trump is just another rich asshole who is used to saying whatever he wants

safe in the knowledge that people dependent on him for their job will shuffle their feet and gaze at the floor. That's in essence what the other R candidates did and look where it got them.

[EndElectoral]

29. Looking at Trump's context it was used as an insult. But it revealed his ignorance about Pocahantas.

It's a great debate question. What do you actually know about Pocahontas and why would you use her name in connection with Elizabeth Warren? Watch him fumble and uncomfortably spin.

[scscholar]

52. "why would you use her name in connection with Elizabeth Warren"

Uhh, that part is obvious.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

30. I am going to make a prediction, since this is your thread please make a note of it.

Drumpf is going to "punk" America.

At some point he is going to refer to all the horrible shit he has said and then he is going to point out all the millions of rabid supporters he has and then make the point of how fucked up we are.

If he loses the election he will do this, if he wins he will wait till he is out of office.

Maybe not, but make a note.

[Rex]

31. He doesn't care, Trump only cares about himself and nobody else.

The man is one of the most selfish persons I've ever seen. He is like the anti-Obama.

[lark]

32. Can I add to your description?

Mean spirited, misogynistic, rascist, greedy, lying, spinning, no principals, asshole.

[Nirgendwo]

41. ...small-handed vulgarian...

[lark]

43. Good one

[JCMach1]

33. Since he lies about being Swedish, we should refer to Donald as 'the Meatball'

until he stops...

[TeamPooka]

34. Trump's heritage is German so now I get to call him "Hitler."

[Nirgendwo]

42. ...or Dumm Kopf...

[L. Coyote]

69. DUzy.

He bears a very close resemblance to his father.

[whathehell]

49. Scottish on his mothers side, I believe, n/t

[TeamPooka]

83. Grandpa Drumpf is German. nt

[whathehell]

85. Yes, but as you've undoubtedly noticed

we all have two sets of grandparents.

[TeamPooka]

88. I find your defense of Trump, interesting. nt

[whathehell]

89. I'm "defending" Trump by noting that his mother was Scottish?

Huh?

'I'm guessing you have serious Reading Comprehension issues.

[sagetea]

35. He better watch it...

Natives have been fighting for over two hundred years, he shouldn't mess with them/us..

Ho`

sage

[Kingofalldems]

38. And Sanders wants to debate this monster.

[Hekate]

39. He's convinced he can best him, but it would be just another PT Barnum circus production

Complete with piles of elephant poop.

[jtuck004]

40. And is approved of by millions of people educated in this country. Astounding. n/t

[Leith]

44. Trump May Call It Not Bowing to "PC"

But I say his behavior is appallingly bad. It isn't "PC" to avoid using certain terms, it's good manners.

Okay, okay, Trump is known for his bad manners. His total lack of courtesy is his trademark. He is crude, coarse, and vulgar on a good day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I have no idea of what you're talking about but thanx for kicking my thread.

If I was there I would have told him to his spray tanned orange face that was a messed up and ugly thing to say.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Please don't forget to recommend my powerful thread.

Thank you in advance.

[brer cat]

68. They are dropping like flies, DSB.

You are obviously doing something right here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Who would have thought someone would take umbrage with lil old me taking umbrage with Trump?

[Cha]

71. LOL.. they have nothing but personal attacks. Poor things.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. My fans. SMH.

[pnwmom]

58. So an OP can't criticize Trump now? Nothing the OP said related to Hillary in any way.

It looks like your conscience must be sending you a message, because it wasn't coming from the OP.

[TwilightZone]

59. What does the OP have to do with Hillary Clinton?

It's about Donald Trump denigrating Elizabeth Warren.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Some people hate Clinton so much...

If Germans in the 1933 federal election could have put aside their petty rivalries and voted in a bloc against Hitler 6,000,000 of my co-religionists could have escaped liquidation and four continents might not have been thrown into war.

This was about Trump's bigotry, not Secretary Clinton !!!

[WiffenPoof]

46. My Favorite Native American Song

Music by Elton John
Lyrics by Bernie Taupin (part Native American)

If this doesn't bring a tear to your eye...

[ProudProgressiveNow]

48. K&R nt

[Jopin Klobe]

50. That would be the ugliest coup ...

... ever taken by a Native American ...

... and no sharp tools would be needed ...

... just bug spray for after ...

[JoePhilly]

54. He's ensuring Warren becomes a loud Clinton supporter.

[TwilightZone]

60. I suspect he didn't have to "ensure" anything. :)

She was always going to be a vocal supporter of our nominee and other Democrats.

But this certainly didn't help. I don't think picking a fight with Elizabeth Warren is terribly bright.

[JoePhilly]

61. Agree.

[Cooley Hurd]

62. It's like he called an African-American woman "Aunt Jemima"

I fail to see the difference...

[eppur_se_muova]

66. Good grief, what next -- will he actually call someone "Sambo" ? Or worse ?

Will there be a "macaca" moment for The Donhole ?

Given his remarks on Joe Paterno, maybe he's confused enough to call someone "honky" on an open mike ...

[Demoiselle]

72. Donald Trump, B.C.

The B.C. stands for Beneath Contempt.

[Liberal_in_LA]

77. He is an ignorant pig

[Bad Dog]

79. The fact that Pocahontas is still used as an insult,

says a lot about America today. Her bones should be kept at Gravesend where at least she is afforded some dignity.

[Lee-Lee]

82. It's a disgusting act but shrewd politics by him

As a person with Native American blood it disgusts me to no end. But detaching myself I see what he is doing.

He knows her history with the claims of Cherokee ancestry and the appearance she used that to get an advantage are a weak spot for her. He knows the general public, and especially anyone who would ever vote for him, doesn't see it as an insult in the context we do.

He is trying to cut her off at the knees by using an insult that he knows will bring controversy but will at the same time draw just as much attention to her problematic history. She can't directly respond without also having to talk about that again- something that's not in her best interests.

It taps right into right wing white male hatred of affirmative action and minorities and it's a "safe" target to do it since her claims are disputed. "I wasn't making fun of a real Native American, just a faker who pretended to be one to get an unfair advantage".

And by showing he is willing to go there and make it an issue he also is throwing a preemptive attack to show Hillary or Bernie that if she gets to be a VP candidate he will use this to make them think twice.

[Kingofalldems]

84. So you are basically saying it was good for him to say that.

That's what I am reading.

That quote you have in paragraph 4, is that from Trump? Or did you put it there?

You say her claims are disputed. By whom I might ask?

[Lee-Lee]

86. I'm saying it plays right to his base

Yes, in the overall picture it's good for him I think. Nobody offended by it was voting for him anyway, and it attacks her credibility. He stands to lose nothing and discredit a person outspoken against him.

As for it being disputed- Google "Elizabeth Warren Cherokee" and you will read tons. One person when it first came out did an article claiming her claims to Cherokee ancestry had merit but later withdrew that when it was discovered the documents being cited as proof couldn't be produced and were never seen. She has been unable to name any ancestor that is Cherokee but claims that "family lore" is enough to back her claim up.

Except that every other white person you meet when they learn you are Native always has that "family lore" about the "Indian princess" somebody married so they have Native blood too- to the point where it's almost funny if it wasn't so sad. And here in the east almost always Cherokee.

What certain is that she isn't enrolled in any of the 3 Cherokee nations and she does not not do they have any evidence that would prove sufficient for them to allow enrollment. She cannot be legally classified as a member of any Cherokee nation and none of them have any evidence in their well documented archives of anyone in her family being Cherokee. None of that is in dispute. Ask any of the 3 Cherokee nations and they will tell you Elizabeth Warren is not, by thier standards, Cherokee.

Now, is it possible she has some Cherokee way, way back many generations? Sure. But her history is known far enough back that if she does it's such a small degree she isn't eligible for tribal membership. But that is possible for anyone if you history is unknown way far back. If you going to claim it, especially in the ways she did where she was recognized for her accomplishments as a Native American, you should be able to document it more than "'my granny told me". That would be like a white person whose DNA test showed 3% African ancestry demanding to be eligible for scholarships for African Americans- at that point your just white and need to accept your whiteness.

[Kingofalldems]

87. Good try but she has always said it was family lore.

What about the quote-- is that directly from Trump? Or from you?

[Lee-Lee]

90. The quote is me saying what I expect his arguement to be

That is all.

And as far as family lore- the whole issue is one of her alternating between listing herself as white or as Native American based on nothing but family lore. By that standard every white person out there can become a minority whenever it suits them and be white whenever it suits them.

I know here in western NC the EBCI enrolled members I know all have very strong feelings on the matter and none of them have anything good to say about her claims. Heck, as a person of Lumbee descent they don't even consider me a true Native because the origins of the Lumbee people are disputed by some.