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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:44 PM May 2016

Schrödinger's Cat Now Lives And Dies In Two Boxes At Once

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2016/may/27/schroedingers-cat-lives-and-dies-in-two-boxes-at-once

"Schrödinger's cat now has a second box to play in, thanks to an international team of physicists that has created a two-mode "Schrödinger's cat state" for the first time. The experiment brings together two purely quantum properties, in that the "cat" (i.e. the photons) is simultaneously "alive and dead" (in a superposition of states) while also in two locations at once (the two boxes are entangled with one another).

The experiment is a step towards creating the larger and more sophisticated quantum states that are necessary to make quantum computing a reality. The team says that the work also demonstrates a two-logical-qubit system with in-built quantum error correction, making it a great resource for quantum metrology and quantum-communication networks.

Quantum cats

The famous Schrödinger's cat paradox, first proposed in 1935, is based on one of the most basic tenets of quantum mechanics – superposition. This arises because a microscopic particle such as a photon is considered to simultaneously be in all possible "states" (or spatial positions in this experiment) until a measurement is made and its wavefunction collapses. In the real "classical" world, however, macroscopic objects such as cats do not exist in a superposition of states. This is usually explained in terms of "decoherence", whereby a state loses its coherent quantum nature thanks to interactions with the environment. However, just where the boundary between the classical and quantum worlds lies is still a bit of a mystery.

Today, physicists can create multiparticle systems made up of many photons that are collectively in a superposition of two very different or extreme states. These are known as "Schrödinger's cat states" and are easily distinguishable from each other. These systems can be achieved in the lab using harmonic oscillators. The oscillation of a microwave field, for example, can be thought of a swinging pendulum and the two different states are equivalent to the pendulum at the far left or right of its swing. In a cat state, the pendulum is at both distinct positions at once. Such harmonic oscillators are preferable to using atoms to create the two extreme states because the two swing positions are far more distinct and are separated by a distance that can include large numbers of intermediate states.

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Oh, that crazy cat!

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Schrödinger's Cat Now Lives And Dies In Two Boxes At Once (Original Post) HuckleB May 2016 OP
Guess the tshirt needs updating!! yodermon May 2016 #1
Just have two T shirts. merrily May 2016 #2
Well, you certainly at least need to have a friend wear one too! HuckleB May 2016 #6
Then you need two more elljay May 2016 #22
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2016 #31
Reminds me about that old joke "How many Zen Buddhists does it take to change a light bulb?" eridani May 2016 #42
+1 HuckleB May 2016 #47
my head hurts annabanana May 2016 #3
Both calico and persian at the same time. rhett o rick May 2016 #4
Not in a superstate anymore. Fuddnik May 2016 #5
What's the big deal, put the cat in a box and put that box in a larger box. A Simple Game May 2016 #7
Physics is descriptive.. annabanana May 2016 #9
...indeed.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #15
Thank you unc70 May 2016 #20
AH annabanana May 2016 #27
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2016 #32
I'm keeping that. NT Ilsa May 2016 #35
lol GummyBearz May 2016 #45
We had this poster on the wall.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #46
physics argues whether the glass is half full or half empty MisterP May 2016 #28
Engineering, schmengineering. HuckleB May 2016 #33
Did you read the link? HuckleB May 2016 #11
As to real-world application, the OP mentions quantum computing. Jim Lane May 2016 #18
Soooo... Nirgendwo May 2016 #8
Well, that's much less messy than... jtuck004 May 2016 #10
This is why I am a dog person! Dustlawyer May 2016 #12
Well, my cat violates quantum mechanics and is constantly only in a single state. DrBulldog May 2016 #13
+1 HuckleB May 2016 #48
... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #14
Well my cat has four states: brooklynite May 2016 #16
Dr. Schrodinger, whatever did you do to the poor kitty? Jerry442 May 2016 #17
Awesome! Squinch May 2016 #19
And Schrodinger's dog is just sitting in it's own box wondering where the cats are. Kablooie May 2016 #21
Well, for a nano-second, any way! HuckleB May 2016 #25
What's the big deal?...two cats in a box is nothing new. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #23
So the cat is simultaneously INSIDE and OUTSIDE of the box... brooklynite May 2016 #24
Yea kinda weird GummyBearz May 2016 #37
I am ambivalent about these results.. But, I trust Dr. Schrodinger would understand.... Bill USA May 2016 #26
Maru Kitty can definitely get with that program.... Hekate May 2016 #29
My live and dead cat is in both the kitchen and the bathroom. beastie boy May 2016 #30
+1 HuckleB May 2016 #34
Oh hell no. If I ever own a cat I am NOT letting it get into a box. GummyBearz May 2016 #36
Clearly, you've never owned a cat. HuckleB May 2016 #38
Schrodinger and Heisenberg central scrutinizer May 2016 #39
+1 HuckleB May 2016 #41
Love this! Kick Quackers May 2016 #40
Shouldn't there be three boxes? One where the cat is alive, one where the cat is dead Rex May 2016 #43
+1,000'000' ... 000 HuckleB May 2016 #44

eridani

(51,907 posts)
42. Reminds me about that old joke "How many Zen Buddhists does it take to change a light bulb?"
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:24 AM
May 2016

Two. One to change the light bulb, and the other to not change it.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
7. What's the big deal, put the cat in a box and put that box in a larger box.
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:30 PM
May 2016

Even better, put a cricket in the smallest of nesting dolls then insert into the next, then the next, etc.

Physics is increasingly becoming irrelevant to the real world. I would wish to come back in 100 years to learn how relevant any of the current hypothesis are to the actual world. Odds are that I would be right with the irrelevance part. There might be a relevant theory out there but I doubt it is one of the current popular ones, and yes popular is the right word to use.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
28. physics argues whether the glass is half full or half empty
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

engineering says the glass is twice too large

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. As to real-world application, the OP mentions quantum computing.
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

I wouldn't be surprised if, sometime in the next 100 years, an improvement in computer speed is linked to the research track of which this is a part.

When Einstein propounded his theory of relativity, I doubt that anyone saw much practical application for the time dilation based on velocity (special relativity) or gravity (general relativity). The effects were too small and arose only at velocities or differences in field strength that were not encountered in human affairs. Today, these effects are essential to the calculations that underlie GPS devices. If the system didn't correct for relativistic effects, a new satellite would become useless within hours after its launch.

Nirgendwo

(32 posts)
8. Soooo...
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

...are they trying to build a transporter? Or what? I'll wait until they work the bugs out and clean up all that cat fur.

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
16. Well my cat has four states:
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

eating

sleeping

prowling in the garden

hiding under the table to avoid being given medicine

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
37. Yea kinda weird
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:49 PM
May 2016

From what I remember about solving the basic Schrodinger equation is that the box walls provided the boundary values for the closed form solution of the differential equation. I guess there is now a more advanced solution involving quantum tunneling perhaps? I'm not going to read the article because the thought of a cat being in 2 boxes at once scares the shit out of me (cats hate me). A lot of my friends have cats and I will NEVER let one get into a box with another box close by ever again.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
26. I am ambivalent about these results.. But, I trust Dr. Schrodinger would understand....
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:57 PM
May 2016

just a little entanglement joke. this is fascinating stuff. -- maybe I should say 'mind-blowing' stuff!

beastie boy

(9,307 posts)
30. My live and dead cat is in both the kitchen and the bathroom.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

I don't know which is where, but I better go measure it before it creates a mess in both the kitchen and the bathroom and blames it on the dead one.

... This better work, or I am suing Dr. Schrödinger.

central scrutinizer

(11,648 posts)
39. Schrodinger and Heisenberg
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:10 PM
May 2016

Are driving and get stopped by a traffic cop. The cop asked, "Do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am." The cop replied, "OK, smart ass, open the trunk." Heisenberg pulls the trunk latch. The cop says, "Hey, did you know you have a dead cat in here?" Schrodinger exclaims, "Now, I do!"

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
43. Shouldn't there be three boxes? One where the cat is alive, one where the cat is dead
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:39 AM
May 2016

and one where the cat is really pissed off at you for fucking with 3rd nap?

Go ahead, try and make me get back in that box!

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