The LBJ 1964 genius ad men "behind the greatest ad campaign in political history" talking 2016

[UTUSN]

I'm not posting excerpts because today's Primary names are mentioned, but the item is really about the 1964 ad men and their assessment of DRUMPF, plus I'm all for any renewal of appreciation for LBJ. But if it's deemed GD-P, well, I bow.

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/2016-johnson-lbj-campaign-1964-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-political-ads-daisy-213925

[font size=5]LBJ’s Ad Men: ....[/font]
We talked to two of the geniuses behind the greatest ad campaign in political history. Here’s what they’d do in 2016.

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[StarTrombone]

1. So rather than using tactical nukes to bring the conflict to an end

We got fucking LBJ sending my generation into his damned meat grinder in S.E. Asia

A meat grinder he lied his ass off about The Gulf of Tonkin to get us further entrenched in that quagmire BTW

You can stick your "renewal of appreciation for LBJ" where the sun don't shine

Years ago I traveled with some buddies to Johnson City to piss on his grave

The night in jail was worth it

I'll do it again if there is ever a "renewal of appreciation for LBJ" before I die

[UTUSN]

4. Your "generation" went, did you? I did. Do you get Medicare or anything else these days? n/t

[StarTrombone]

9. I don't just "get" Medicare

I've been paying into it since 1966 and I pay for it monthly now plus paying for a supplemental in order to get decent coverage

I could use the VA but I prefer the Mayo Clinic because It's close to my homes in AZ and MN

[UTUSN]

12. Ain't it great that the options for you to pay into it & pay monthly were made possible for you? n/t

[StarTrombone]

14. It wasn't my choice

There's no option by force of law

[UTUSN]

15. Options include opting out. But somebody was instrumental in making it available, who could it *BE*?

But really, let's cut to the chase and leave it at toodle-oo!1 May you and I do well by Memorial Day for all our fallen.

[StarTrombone]

16. There is no opting out of the payroll taxes

I wish that there was

But same to you

I'll be at Ft. Snelling tomorrow

Both my parents, 2 uncles, an aunt, my father in law and a brother in law are interred there

[Mendocino]

7. Nuke Vietnam?

Not even taking the the absurd low effectiveness of tactical nukes against guerrilla forces, do you believe the Soviets and China would have "stood down" if we had done this?

[stevenleser]

10. Do you piss on Nixon's grave too? US involvement in the war continued for his first term.

Certainly if tactical nukes were the solution, you must blame Nixon for not using them as well.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

17. I'm a Vietnam veteran too. Where is Nixon's grave? I can piss on it and not get caught

[stevenleser]

20. It's in Yorba Linda, California at the Richard Nixon Library

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?GRid=1418&page=gr

I still don't recommend pissing on it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Tactical nukes? Your solution to a civil war in Vietnam would have been to nuke it?

Wow. That could be the stupidest thing I've ever seen suggested for foreign policy. Nothing could have ruined the world faster than that. Nothing would have painted the USA as an out-of-control psychopath that would need to be stopped by the rest of the world.

[StarTrombone]

13. My solution would have been not to be there in the 1st place

But that wasn't my decision to make

My old man and uncles warned against a land war in Asia


LBJ foolishly ramped up our involvement

Goldwater said that if we're going to be there use every available weapon to get it over with quickly

I agreed with him

[Jeffersons Ghost]

18. Listen to more Trump speeches to hear the "stupidest foreign policy" ever documented

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Fair point ... "stupidest until now", then (nt)

[malaise]

19. Agent Orange wasn't exactly humane

but I get your point re nukes

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. It's that nukes go straight to the "we want to kill lots of foreigners" stage

It says "we think that it's OK to kill tens of thousands of the people we're fighting at once, just to see if it will intimidate the survivors". It's not even as if they could have been 'tactical' in Vietnam; the North Vietnamese army was spread out, and it was nothing like the idea people had of 'tactical nukes' to stop hypothetical Soviet armoured divisions advancing west across Europe.

It would have turned large parts of the country the USA was supposedly fighting on behalf of to radioactive wastelands. It would have been "to save the village, we had to destroy it" on a massive scale.

[malaise]

23. Vietnam, Iraq

let's go back - Japan, Germany - killing is already done for unjustifiable reasons - theft of others resources.

I read on DU today that a candidate said the illegal war gave Iraqis freedom. The freedom towatch their families, homes, hospitals, universities and other institutions bombed to oblivion for no good reason. And dont forget the Depleted Uranium in Fallujah.

[Herman4747]

2. UNFORGETTABLE POLITICAL COMMERCIAL!!!

Goes well with the movie, Dr. Strangelove, which came out near the same time.

[appalachiablue]

3. K & R For the effective ad campaign against Goldwater.

No fan of the policies of Goldwater, but to me he almost looks like a statesman compared to Herr Trumpf.

[sendero]

5. LBJ did some great things.....

... but he did a lot of evil things too. Probably a textbook sociopath. Even forgetting Vietnam (certainly not easy to do), his path is strewn with dead bodies and dirty dealings. Many believe, I among them, that he had a hand in JFK's death.

There are several books on the subject, the circumstantial evidence is 'overwhelming'.

[Doctor_J]

6. I don't think LBJ was especially liberal or progressive per se.

He just knew down deep that the country needed Medicare, Medicaid, CRA, and VRA, and made it happen.

[UTUSN]

8. He was an FDR acolyte & those 4 things & making-them-happen are good enough Lib/Prog for me n/t