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(6,351 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)for the Iraq war and the Citizen's United court.
Ego and entitlement...sound familiar?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)If there is such a thing as a narcissist sociopath it's Nader
newthinking
(3,982 posts)I am not so sure we can rule out that it would not have happened anyway when Clinton was SOS (Below is the primary reason I am concerned about a Hillary Clinton presidency).
Hillary brought in Victoria Nuland as assistant SOS (NeoCon and wife of one of the founders of PNAC).
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Hillary's Military "mentor" is Jack Keane: a NeoCon and a Chairman of the "Institute for the study of war"; a NeoCon think tank run by Kimberly Kagen. She is linked on all sides with them and their goals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?&_r=0
Jack Keane is one of the intellectual architects of the Iraq surge; he is also perhaps the greatest single influence on the way Hillary Clinton thinks about military issues. A bear of a man with a jowly, careworn face and Brylcreem-slicked hair, Keane exudes the supreme self-confidence you would expect of a retired four-star general. He speaks with a trace of a New York accent that gives his pronouncements a rat-a-tat urgency. He is also a well-compensated member of the military-industrial complex, sitting on the board of General Dynamics and serving as a strategic adviser to Academi, the private-security contractor once known as Blackwater. And he is the chairman of an aptly named think tank, the Institute for the Study of War. Though he is one of a parade of cable-TV generals, Keane is the resident hawk on Fox News, where he appears regularly to call for the United States to use greater military force in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. He doesnt shrink from putting boots on the ground and has little use for civilian leaders, like Obama, who do.
Keane first got to know Clinton in the fall of 2001, when she was a freshman senator and he was the Armys second in command, with a distinguished combat and command record in Vietnam, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo. He had expected her to be intelligent, hard-working and politically astute, but he was not prepared for the respect she showed for the Army as an institution, or her sympathy for the sacrifices made by soldiers and their families. Keane was confident he could smell a phony politician a mile away, and he didnt get that whiff from her.
I read people; thats one of my strengths, he told me. Its not that I cant be fooled, but Im not fooled often.
Clinton took an instant liking to Keane, too. She loves that Irish gruff thing, says one of her Senate aides, Kris Balderston, who was in the room that day. When Keane got up after 45 minutes to leave for a meeting back at the Pentagon with a Polish general, she protested that she wasnt finished yet and asked for another appointment. I said, O.K., but it took me three months to get this one,? Keane told her dryly.
Clinton exploded into a raucous laugh. Ill take care of that problem, she promised.
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GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)Assuming those 90,000 votes had broken 60-40 for Gore - a conservative estimate - Gore would have won the state by more than 10,000. The "200,000 registered Democrats' votes" is a complete red herring and I'm sick and tired of fucking fools citing it.
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salinsky
(1,065 posts)... it's a shame because he did a lot of good work, and he's ruined his legacy.
Bernie is headed down the same path.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)For some reason I always confuse him with Jack Kevorkian.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Meh...I'll give him a pass on how he comes across, as his consumer advocacy has been so important.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)where on long trips I would sleep on the floor where the transmission went to the rear wheels. It was warm.
The Corvair, the Ford Pinto...
newthinking
(3,982 posts)work that was done in the 70s and 80s.
I wonder if the people that brush him off are too young to realize that the US did not have half the protections that they benefit from: Including environmental, legal, water safety, air, and yes safer cars and laws protecting consumers from predation.
Sure there is an assault on that progress. But part of the reason it is so easy to roll consumer protections back is due to people who do not appreciate, or are just plain ignorant, of how much they benefit from people like Nader.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)he saved a hell of alot of lives, I cant criticize him
Rex
(65,616 posts)What is wrong with him?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Just sayin'.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)do some research before damning people, and save yourself some embarrassment
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)and his misguided ideas about politics.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)we can set our watches by it.
retreading the retread threads.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)People are still angry about 2000, and someone must be blamed. I'm still angry, but I blame The American People for being gullible rubes.
The Bush Jr. Presidency did suck, you must admit.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)New Hampshire 11/7/2000 results:
Bush: 273,559
Gore: 266,348
Difference: 7,211 votes
Nader: 22,198
If only a little over 1/3 of those Nader voters could have swallowed their pride just a bit, and voted for Gore, then Gore would have won NH's 4 electoral votes and a total of 270 for the win, making the Florida chicanery moot. No Bush. No Cheney. No Rumsfield. No phony war. No torture, etc., etc. NO RW SUPREME COURT JUDGES.
In 2004, sadder-but-wiser New Hampshire gave John Kerry 340,511 votes over Bush's 331,237 votes, all in a losing effort. Nader was just one of the things that went wrong in that election, but he played a BIG part in enabling those 8 miserable years.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)who voted for Bush and will likely vote Trump, I mean it is not like Bush was the first time
VOX
(22,976 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)We can't blame our illustrious party and its brilliant leadership.
libodem
(19,288 posts)FUCK NADER.!
Bucky
(53,997 posts)shouldn't have let him crawl over that fence
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so are you including the CONSERVADEMS who voted for BUSH? Of course not. They were about 300,000 of them.