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Nader on MSNBC (Original Post) redstateblues May 2016 OP
...has become... ??? I think that' been his permanent state of mind for 40 years. n/t CincyDem May 2016 #1
I blame Nader annavictorious May 2016 #2
Without Nader no Iraq War. " Not a dimes worth of difference" ? redstateblues May 2016 #9
The PNAC agenda has continued despite change of administration newthinking May 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #14
Well, that's bullshit. GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #35
Cynical black heart ... salinsky May 2016 #3
Bernie? How so? LiberalElite May 2016 #8
In your dreams larkrake Jun 2016 #27
I thought he was dead gwheezie May 2016 #4
He looked dead redstateblues May 2016 #5
He has worked tirelessly as a consumer advocate for 50+ years JimDandy May 2016 #6
Yep. Seatbelts. I remember a '53 Chrysler Land of Enchantment May 2016 #10
If we had "liberals" that thought like we do today we never would have accomplished all the positive newthinking May 2016 #16
Nader did alot of good, he just isnt a politician larkrake Jun 2016 #28
I cannot imagine why, we all live in a green paradise that runs on water and sunshine. Rex May 2016 #7
Fuck Ralph Nader. baldguy May 2016 #11
He hasn't changed. Still an asshole. nt BootinUp May 2016 #13
Coming from a hater, thats a compliment larkrake Jun 2016 #29
52 years old, political junkie know all I need to about Nader BootinUp Jun 2016 #31
"Become." Brickbat May 2016 #15
Oh look, it's the regular Two Minute Hate against Nader. Odin2005 May 2016 #17
+1 Javaman Jun 2016 #18
Understandable maxsolomon Jun 2016 #19
It's well deserved-It's also good to remind Naderites the consequences of their protest vote redstateblues Jun 2016 #21
I blame the SCOTUS for stealing the election. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #23
It's true. But Nader & Naderites did their part in New Hampshire... VOX Jun 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #36
But are you evern going to balme the 300,000 conservadems nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #33
Ralph earned his permanent spot in the doghouse. n/t VOX Jun 2016 #25
not very christian of you vox larkrake Jun 2016 #30
We have to blame somebody. HassleCat Jun 2016 #26
You know the drill libodem Jun 2016 #20
his mother Bucky Jun 2016 #22
Oh look two minutes of hate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #34

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
9. Without Nader no Iraq War. " Not a dimes worth of difference" ?
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:11 PM
May 2016

If there is such a thing as a narcissist sociopath it's Nader

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
12. The PNAC agenda has continued despite change of administration
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:24 PM
May 2016

I am not so sure we can rule out that it would not have happened anyway when Clinton was SOS (Below is the primary reason I am concerned about a Hillary Clinton presidency).


Hillary brought in Victoria Nuland as assistant SOS (NeoCon and wife of one of the founders of PNAC).

Neocons’ Ukraine-Syria-Iran GambitNeocons’ Ukraine-Syria-Iran Gambit


and

Hillary's Military "mentor" is Jack Keane: a NeoCon and a Chairman of the "Institute for the study of war"; a NeoCon think tank run by Kimberly Kagen. She is linked on all sides with them and their goals.

From NYTimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?&_r=0

Jack Keane is one of the intellectual architects of the Iraq surge; he is also perhaps the greatest single influence on the way Hillary Clinton thinks about military issues. A bear of a man with a jowly, careworn face and Brylcreem-slicked hair, Keane exudes the supreme self-confidence you would expect of a retired four-star general. He speaks with a trace of a New York accent that gives his pronouncements a rat-a-tat urgency. He is also a well-compensated member of the military-industrial complex, sitting on the board of General Dynamics and serving as a strategic adviser to Academi, the private-security contractor once known as Blackwater. And he is the chairman of an aptly named think tank, the Institute for the Study of War. Though he is one of a parade of cable-TV generals, Keane is the resident hawk on Fox News, where he appears regularly to call for the United States to use greater military force in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. He doesn’t shrink from putting boots on the ground and has little use for civilian leaders, like Obama, who do.

Keane first got to know Clinton in the fall of 2001, when she was a freshman senator and he was the Army’s second in command, with a distinguished combat and command record in Vietnam, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo. He had expected her to be intelligent, hard-working and politically astute, but he was not prepared for the respect she showed for the Army as an institution, or her sympathy for the sacrifices made by soldiers and their families. Keane was confident he could smell a phony politician a mile away, and he didn’t get that whiff from her.

“I read people; that’s one of my strengths,” he told me. “It’s not that I can’t be fooled, but I’m not fooled often.”

Clinton took an instant liking to Keane, too. “She loves that Irish gruff thing,” says one of her Senate aides, Kris Balderston, who was in the room that day. When Keane got up after 45 minutes to leave for a meeting back at the Pentagon with a Polish general, she protested that she wasn’t finished yet and asked for another appointment. “I said, ‘O.K., but it took me three months to get this one,’?” Keane told her dryly.

Clinton exploded into a raucous laugh. “I’ll take care of that problem,” she promised.

Response to annavictorious (Reply #2)

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
32. Well, that's bullshit.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jun 2016

Assuming those 90,000 votes had broken 60-40 for Gore - a conservative estimate - Gore would have won the state by more than 10,000. The "200,000 registered Democrats' votes" is a complete red herring and I'm sick and tired of fucking fools citing it.

Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #32)

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
3. Cynical black heart ...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:07 PM
May 2016

... it's a shame because he did a lot of good work, and he's ruined his legacy.

Bernie is headed down the same path.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
6. He has worked tirelessly as a consumer advocate for 50+ years
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

Meh...I'll give him a pass on how he comes across, as his consumer advocacy has been so important.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
10. Yep. Seatbelts. I remember a '53 Chrysler
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

where on long trips I would sleep on the floor where the transmission went to the rear wheels. It was warm.

The Corvair, the Ford Pinto...

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
16. If we had "liberals" that thought like we do today we never would have accomplished all the positive
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

work that was done in the 70s and 80s.

I wonder if the people that brush him off are too young to realize that the US did not have half the protections that they benefit from: Including environmental, legal, water safety, air, and yes safer cars and laws protecting consumers from predation.

Sure there is an assault on that progress. But part of the reason it is so easy to roll consumer protections back is due to people who do not appreciate, or are just plain ignorant, of how much they benefit from people like Nader.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
28. Nader did alot of good, he just isnt a politician
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jun 2016

he saved a hell of alot of lives, I cant criticize him

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. I cannot imagine why, we all live in a green paradise that runs on water and sunshine.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

What is wrong with him?

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
29. Coming from a hater, thats a compliment
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jun 2016

do some research before damning people, and save yourself some embarrassment

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
31. 52 years old, political junkie know all I need to about Nader
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jun 2016

and his misguided ideas about politics.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
19. Understandable
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

People are still angry about 2000, and someone must be blamed. I'm still angry, but I blame The American People for being gullible rubes.

The Bush Jr. Presidency did suck, you must admit.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
24. It's true. But Nader & Naderites did their part in New Hampshire...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

New Hampshire 11/7/2000 results:

Bush: 273,559
Gore: 266,348
Difference: 7,211 votes
Nader: 22,198

If only a little over 1/3 of those Nader voters could have swallowed their pride just a bit, and voted for Gore, then Gore would have won NH's 4 electoral votes and a total of 270 for the win, making the Florida chicanery moot. No Bush. No Cheney. No Rumsfield. No phony war. No torture, etc., etc. NO RW SUPREME COURT JUDGES.

In 2004, sadder-but-wiser New Hampshire gave John Kerry 340,511 votes over Bush's 331,237 votes, all in a losing effort. Nader was just one of the things that went wrong in that election, but he played a BIG part in enabling those 8 miserable years.

Response to VOX (Reply #24)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. But are you evern going to balme the 300,000 conservadems
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jun 2016

who voted for Bush and will likely vote Trump, I mean it is not like Bush was the first time

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. Oh look two minutes of hate
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jun 2016

so are you including the CONSERVADEMS who voted for BUSH? Of course not. They were about 300,000 of them.

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