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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:57 AM Jun 2016

With driverless cars due in 2018 will there be a new Luddite movement???

At its peak, more British soldiers were fighting the Luddites than were fighting Napoleon.

I wonder with the hugh anti science mood of the country being pandered to by GOP be the beginning of a very violent Luddite movement.

Could the anti driverless cars violent Luddite close down the interstate.

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With driverless cars due in 2018 will there be a new Luddite movement??? (Original Post) CK_John Jun 2016 OP
Everyone able to post here will be long buried and dead before that ever happens.. snooper2 Jun 2016 #1
Haw! My Orbital Mind Control Lasers will keep everyone in line. FSogol Jun 2016 #3
There already are plenty of modern Luddites. HuckleB Jun 2016 #2
I for one welcome our robot overlords. librechik Jun 2016 #4
Me, too! GoCubsGo Jun 2016 #15
Not to mention people with disabilities thucythucy Jun 2016 #19
Or, people who are beyond the age where they can drive safely. GoCubsGo Jun 2016 #21
There is a lot not to like about driverless cars. Doesn't make one a Luddite. Throd Jun 2016 #5
No. The anti-Luddite robots are also due to be released in 2018. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #6
Whenever they become commercially viable whatthehey Jun 2016 #7
What do cars have to do with science??? hunter Jun 2016 #8
The auto is second largest purchase of homeowners and largest CK_John Jun 2016 #9
Yep, and everyone knows someone who has been killed or maimed by automobiles... hunter Jun 2016 #11
So do you think there will be a new Luddite violent moment as per the OP? CK_John Jun 2016 #12
Not when people figure out how easy sex is with your hands off the wheel and eyes off the road. Nt. thucythucy Jun 2016 #20
I think younger people who don't own cars or drive... hunter Jun 2016 #28
If cars become too expensive for most people then why would there be a lack of parking places? former9thward Jun 2016 #29
The parking places will have been removed for housing, wider sidewalks, bikeways, and green spaces. hunter Jun 2016 #31
Things weren't much better when the cities were jammed with horses Fumesucker Jun 2016 #34
And this is currently why it's the most pressing issue of the 2016 election. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #10
Yes, looking at 70% unemployment and the transportation system CK_John Jun 2016 #13
Really? former9thward Jun 2016 #30
Why narrowed down to just the GOP? The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #14
no... next question Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #16
One need only look at the reaction to new operating systems to know what it will be like Egnever Jun 2016 #17
Driverless Cars? RobinA Jun 2016 #18
The point is that you can have your computer on while traveling KamaAina Jun 2016 #22
I'm worried about the millions who will not have a job. CK_John Jun 2016 #32
So if a person is skeptical Mendocino Jun 2016 #23
Ahem.... Xolodno Jun 2016 #24
So everyone that is not interested... sendero Jun 2016 #25
The Luddites were people directly threatened with job loss by automation jberryhill Jun 2016 #26
People have wandered onto the interstate to protest police violence... Why? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #35
There will be a bunch of false claims LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #27
Luddites were engineers, mechanics...the people who built and maintained the machines. Crash2Parties Jun 2016 #33
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
1. Everyone able to post here will be long buried and dead before that ever happens..
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jun 2016

and it won't be the driverless cars that put them over the edge...

It will be the solar toasters, it always starts with the toasters

FSogol

(45,355 posts)
3. Haw! My Orbital Mind Control Lasers will keep everyone in line.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

Your orders are to create MORE tasty pale ales for me to sample.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
2. There already are plenty of modern Luddites.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

Anti-vaxers, anti-GMOers, alt-med pushers, and the like, all fall into that category.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
15. Me, too!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

At least half of the people in my town have no business behind the wheel of a car or truck. Driving here is absolutely terrifying. And, now that gas prices are low, all the bubbas have purchased huge, two-ton-plus, super-crew-cab pick-up trucks, which most are incapable of properly handling. I come close to getting creamed by one of these assholes on a daily basis, often multiple times in a one or two mile stretch.

thucythucy

(7,983 posts)
19. Not to mention people with disabilities
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

who CAN'T use driver-controlled vehicles except as passengers.

I for one would prefer a hugely better mass transit system, such as exists in western Europe, but if it takes driverless cars to get me and my disabled friends on the road, so be it! Let's hope too they're electric, non-polluting cars as well.

Want to know what brings out the Luddite in me? Leaf blowers. Wish we could blow them all to Hell!

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
21. Or, people who are beyond the age where they can drive safely.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jun 2016

Take the woman who lives across the street from me. She's in her late 70s, at least. She has no business operating a vehicle. To make matters worse, she drives while talking on the cell phone. I had the misfortune of getting behind her a couple of weeks ago. While driving through the neighborhood, she just stopped to converse on her phone. Without pulling over. Fortunately, I was far enough behind her that I didn't rear-end her. (Exhibit A for keeping that "space cushion" from the car in front of you, folks.) There are lots more like her around here, and not all of them are elderly. Driverless cars would be great for those who have passed the age where they can safely operate a vehicle. They can keep their freedom without being a danger to everyone else on the road. Or, not have to rely on others to chauffeur them around.

I generally share your dislike for leaf blowers. However, I have some water oaks in my yard. They have smallish, narrow leaves that don't rake up well. The only way you can get them of the grass is to blow them out.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
5. There is a lot not to like about driverless cars. Doesn't make one a Luddite.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

I actually find driving to be quite pleasurable.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. No. The anti-Luddite robots are also due to be released in 2018.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

Here's a leaked photo of an early test of one of these:

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
7. Whenever they become commercially viable
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jun 2016

I predict we will have lots of truck and delivery and taxi drivers engaging in aggressive traffic-disruption.


Which will predictably hasten the adoption of the technology they will wish to resist. But it will be a frustrating few years for those who depend on high traffic roads regardless of whether they drive or the iCar does.

hunter

(38,263 posts)
8. What do cars have to do with science???
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

I was hoping the automobile age would be over buy now.

Automobiles have been the most environmentally destructive and dangerous inventions of all time.

If we were a rational scientific people personal automobiles would have been outlawed long ago.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
9. The auto is second largest purchase of homeowners and largest
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

for others. That is a lot of $ clout in our current system.

hunter

(38,263 posts)
11. Yep, and everyone knows someone who has been killed or maimed by automobiles...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

... and everyone is going to feel the pain of climate change, if they are not feeling it already.

hunter

(38,263 posts)
28. I think younger people who don't own cars or drive...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

... and get around by calling up self-driving cars from their smart phones will have little patience with older drivers and their cars.

Eventually private ownership of automobiles will become too onerous and too expensive for most people.

Those who get along fine without owning a car will point and laugh at people who can't find a parking place.

hunter

(38,263 posts)
31. The parking places will have been removed for housing, wider sidewalks, bikeways, and green spaces.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jun 2016

Sort of like Disneyland, or Venice Italy. Maybe you have a huge parking structure outside the city, or maybe visitors to the city are expected to arrive by train or a bus.



http://europeforvisitors.com/venice/articles/tronchetto_parking_garage.htm

The only cars on the street are very quiet and very polite self driving cars that don't need parking places in the city.




Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
34. Things weren't much better when the cities were jammed with horses
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jun 2016

It was like the Amish bumper sticker: Warning, do not step in exhaust!

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
13. Yes, looking at 70% unemployment and the transportation system
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jun 2016

at a standstill. This election will determine who will handle these problems.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
30. Really?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jun 2016

Then why have Clinton and Sanders ignored this issue? Seems like the transportation system "at a standstill" is pretty important.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
14. Why narrowed down to just the GOP?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

I'd guess more people than not have Luddite tendencies. Don't you talk about driverless trucks all the time, and what people are going to do for jobs? Well, that's more Luddite than not. Anyone not wanting their job to go overseas, more Luddite than not. Anyone not wanting wages to go down, more Luddite than not.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
17. One need only look at the reaction to new operating systems to know what it will be like
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

Many people just don't do change well.

RobinA

(9,874 posts)
18. Driverless Cars?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

What's the point? I get in my car to go to work. If my car drives to work without me, I haven't gotten to work.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
22. The point is that you can have your computer on while traveling
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jun 2016

as many people here in $iliValley do while riding transit.

Another point is that I could finally get in my car to go to work and tell VTA to shove it.

Mendocino

(7,430 posts)
23. So if a person is skeptical
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jun 2016

of self driving autos then they are a GOP sympathizer and potentially violent?

Xolodno

(6,330 posts)
24. Ahem....
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

Blacksmith to Car owner: "Get a horse!"

There will be people resisting it, I've already heard plenty, such as:

"But I like having control of the car"

"I don't trust the technology"

"Its a <insert nut job conspiracy> to <insert whacked reason>"


Reality is, insurance companies already acknowledge that auto insurance will be a minor line item in the future.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. The Luddites were people directly threatened with job loss by automation
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jun 2016

You mean people are going to wander out onto the interstate to protest driverless cars? Why?
27. There will be a bunch of false claims
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

by people who figure out how to cause "accidents" with the driverless cars. It's already a big industry in L.A., with drivers, passengers, lawyers and doctors working together.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
33. Luddites were engineers, mechanics...the people who built and maintained the machines.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jun 2016

Their protests were certainly not based on ignorance or fear of the machinery itself.

I find it interesting that Google et all have successfully caged this as a "driverless car" issue when the real money will be in replacing cargo truck drivers, bus drivers, fed ex & ups drivers and so on. The corporations that hire large numbers of well paid drivers will be the early adopters of the technology and that's a lot of jobs. I'm guessing that not a large percent of those drivers will become robotic car "builders and mechanics" with just a bit of schooling (the common refrain/rebuttal); they'd likely already be in such positions if they had the aptitude.

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