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TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:55 PM Jun 2016

Has anyone considered that the violence at Trump rallies

is being started by operatives paid by Trump or his campaign?

Donald Trump is a master showman and entertainer. He is a marvel at staging events. How do we know that these people attacking Trump supporters at The Donald's rallies aren't being paid by his group to make liberals, leftists, Democrats, Hillary and Bernie supporters "look" bad! I wouldn't put anything past Trump or ANY republican politician... I'm still remembering those weapons of mass destruction that needed to be found in Iraq!

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Has anyone considered that the violence at Trump rallies (Original Post) TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 OP
Total absurdity. If one watches the videos, one would be incapable of spewing such absurdity Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
How about this one? Absurdity you say? Kingofalldems Jun 2016 #16
After viewing the videos - no. 840high Jun 2016 #2
Agreed. Provocateurs are a known historical element Arazi Jun 2016 #3
A conspiracy, like that, might work once but this has happened multiple times Press Virginia Jun 2016 #4
Why wouldn't it work multiple times? TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #7
And how do they keep the former participants from talking? What about people Press Virginia Jun 2016 #8
Hmmmm. A situation like the one you describe.... TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #10
Bullshit. Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead. N/T actslikeacarrot Jun 2016 #13
I wish I owned a tin foil factory near where you live. former9thward Jun 2016 #23
Clinton Supporter But I Don't Believe Bernie's Supporters Indykatie Jun 2016 #5
This has nada to do with the campaigns nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #31
Why is Trump campaigning in California, you ask? EL34x4 Jun 2016 #34
It was started by Trump himself. HuckleB Jun 2016 #6
I think that is possible. femmocrat Jun 2016 #9
Nope, not at all. Heeeeers Johnny Jun 2016 #11
all the "trump supporters" shown being attacked shown on the news this evening had trump shirts on bedazzled Jun 2016 #12
he wants free media and these "incidents" are sure to get coverage unblock Jun 2016 #14
Occam's Razor. GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #15
Boom! Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #33
Of course he does! EL34x4 Jun 2016 #36
You're giving Trump too much credit. romanic Jun 2016 #17
Possible. moondust Jun 2016 #18
Absolutely Lurker Deluxe Jun 2016 #19
Did you see them? moondust Jun 2016 #22
I saw a video of it Separation Jun 2016 #30
Protestors Need Organized Leadership Stallion Jun 2016 #20
Google "trump likes violence" and you'll get 4,590,000 hits ailsagirl Jun 2016 #21
i don't condone it one bit, but he's really pissed people off. spanone Jun 2016 #24
It's almost like a caricature of the ugly Mexican that Trump demonizes ribrepin Jun 2016 #25
Look up for pictures over the protests over Prop 187 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #29
Oh, it's absolutely staged. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #26
Hmm nope nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #27
Yep. I said it in another post. nt valerief Jun 2016 #28
Maybe they're paid Democratic protesters planted Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #32
Yes. coco77 Jun 2016 #35
No,there isn't a "side" that has a monopoly on sufrommich Jun 2016 #37
No, people, rightly, see him as another Hitler. joshcryer Jun 2016 #38
Protesters are burning the American flag davidn3600 Jun 2016 #40
Fair enough. joshcryer Jun 2016 #41
They are not immigrants but identify as Mexican because that area was once Mexico. alphafemale Jun 2016 #43
+1,000 n/t malaise Jun 2016 #39
Non-sense conspiracy theory that just discredits us Taitertots Jun 2016 #42
Yup! Agree completely ! Angel Martin Jun 2016 #44

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
3. Agreed. Provocateurs are a known historical element
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jun 2016

As * said, "gotta catapult the propaganda".

What better way than this?

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
7. Why wouldn't it work multiple times?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe the campaign hires new thugs to start stuff in each city?

Or maybe they've employed a group of 50 or so to incite the attacks and they use 10 or 15 different $hit-stirrers at each rally?

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
8. And how do they keep the former participants from talking? What about people
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jun 2016

who declined the job?

Once you get beyond 2-3 people, you lose control over your conspiracy

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
10. Hmmmm. A situation like the one you describe....
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

1] No one declines the job/task.
2] No one talks about it afterward.

Off the top of my head, I can only think of one type/group of people that could meet both conditions 1] and 2].

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
5. Clinton Supporter But I Don't Believe Bernie's Supporters
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

are totally responsible for this. I question why Trump was even campaigning in CA given that he will lose the state by at least 30 points. Does the name Roger Stone ring a bell. He's a trickster extraordinaire in the Trump camp and is not above creating mayhem that ends up being blamed on Sanders or Clinton's teams to sow discord. Finally, are Bernie's folks stupid enough to advertise for fighting protesters on Craig's List?







 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
34. Why is Trump campaigning in California, you ask?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:01 AM
Jun 2016

Because of this!

All this mayhem keeps him in the news. Hillary's epic takedown of Trump at her speech should've dominated the news cycle. Instead, we're treated to men with bandanas over their faces waving Mexican flags, burning American ones and beating up hapless Trump supporters over and over again.

They're underscoring every argument Trump is making! Sure, this won't help him in California but it might resonate a little better in the midwestern battleground states that Trump needs to win.

If Donald Trump is paying these people, he should be.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
6. It was started by Trump himself.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jun 2016

Any candidate for president who has said the ugly things he has said is going to spark violence. He may, or may not, have realized that reality.

Still, read Philip Roth's book "The Plot Against America."

Even the most boring of our novelists knew this would happen in this case.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
9. I think that is possible.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jun 2016

There was a protest early on in which the protestors were all wearing Bernie shirts. It could be in trump's bag of tricks to outfit some hired thugs to get things started.

In fact, someone on MSNBC today said that he deliberately choses venues near potentially hostile neighborhoods because it appeals to his base to see him "stand up" to the Hispanics. Makes perfect sense, IMO.

Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)
11. Nope, not at all.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jun 2016

Anyone who buys into that is in denial that self identifying progressives, liberals, Democrats would never engage
in violent and hateful responses to those they disagree with.

I also don't buy that there's any Sanders and/or Clinton involvement behind this... these are just assholes being assholes
because they enjoy being assholes.

bedazzled

(1,761 posts)
12. all the "trump supporters" shown being attacked shown on the news this evening had trump shirts on
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jun 2016

what a coinki-dink

wouldn't want there to be any doubt....

unblock

(52,208 posts)
14. he wants free media and these "incidents" are sure to get coverage
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jun 2016

he comes from the school of any press is good press, just spell my name right.

that's not to say he did orchestrate any of them; most likely he hasn't needed to. his hardcore supporters understand his (barely) coded messages.

but i wouldn't put it past him and his operatives.

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
15. Occam's Razor.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jun 2016

When I think about which is more probable:

a) a false-flag operation by a blustering oaf who has all the subtlety of a farting hippopotamus, or;

b) a mob (and like it or not, that's what it was) of pissed off young men got violent on their own

I'm going with b.

I hate Trump. I hate his racism. I think every non-white-male ought to hate his guts with white-hot intensity. But I also think the anti-Trump demonstrators messed up in a big way when they decided to get violent.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
33. Boom!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:51 AM
Jun 2016

You are absolutely correct

But, applying that same famous razor - I DO think Trump schedules these rallies in locations, venues and times when/where he feels these kinds of spectacles are most likely to occur.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
36. Of course he does!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is no idiot. He just plays one on TV. This is all planned. The mayhem keeps him in the news for free, fires up his supporters, and drowns out everyone else.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
17. You're giving Trump too much credit.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

He's a blowhard with more money than sense; he's not that clever to hire a bunch of new operatives at every single rally to disrupt and cause chaos.

moondust

(19,979 posts)
18. Possible.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jun 2016

And not necessarily affiliated with the Trump campaign. Could just be a gang of Klan members or other hate group that took it upon themselves to help their candidate by posing as opposition, carrying Bernie signs, etc., and stirring up violence.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
19. Absolutely
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jun 2016

It was the hispanic branch of the LA KKK after a meeting with the black branch of the KKK from SanFran.

The only reason the black branch of the KKK did not do the false flag operation is they couldn't find enough Mexican flags on such a short notice.

moondust

(19,979 posts)
22. Did you see them?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jun 2016

Did they look Hispanic and black? If so then the "billionaire's highly paid actors" scenario becomes more plausible. I haven't seen any footage.

You seem to be stereotyping when you very likely have no idea who they were.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
30. I saw a video of it
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:11 AM
Jun 2016

They were definitely Hispanics. The guy video taping it even asked why they were throwing eggs.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
20. Protestors Need Organized Leadership
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jun 2016

or it can turn into a mob. Protestors need leaders that can communicate the message of their protest or all the American people will see is mob violence. The Hispanic community especially needs to assist in providing that leadership.

ailsagirl

(22,896 posts)
21. Google "trump likes violence" and you'll get 4,590,000 hits
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jun 2016
What the hell is going on with violence at Trump rallies, explained

It is spiraling out of control — and the problem starts at the top.


Updated by Dara Lind on March 21, 2016, 9:40 a.m. ET @DLind dara@vox.com

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/14/11219256/trump-violent

ribrepin

(1,726 posts)
25. It's almost like a caricature of the ugly Mexican that Trump demonizes
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jun 2016

I watched some of coverage and they were all dressed in colors of the Mexican flag and burning the US flag. One guy even said Mexico owned the land they were standing on. I am beginning to believe it's all a little too convenient to Trump's narrative.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
27. Hmm nope
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jun 2016

But he holds quite a bit of stochastic responsibility. This is not onlike the 1930s and the rise of the Third Reich.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
32. Maybe they're paid Democratic protesters planted
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:00 AM
Jun 2016

To make people think they're paid Republican fake protesters to create this crazy tin foil shit.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
37. No,there isn't a "side" that has a monopoly on
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:23 AM
Jun 2016

violent assholes. These conspiracy theories fall apart when you imagine that out of hundreds of "fake" protesters who supposedly get paid to protest,not one spills the beans. That doesn't happen in real life.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
38. No, people, rightly, see him as another Hitler.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:25 AM
Jun 2016

They may be exaggerating his influence, power, and ability to win the Presidency (which is literally not ever going to happen), but they have deeply felt beliefs. They are wrong for violently protesting, as Obama, Clinton, and Sanders have stated openly and without reservation.

But one cannot ignore their deeply felt beliefs to those ends.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
40. Protesters are burning the American flag
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jun 2016

Their problems seem to go well beyond Trump.

If immigrants are burning the American flag, I think the question "Why are you here?" is perfectly legitimate to ask.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
41. Fair enough.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

But how is it not lost in the noise? For every dipshit burning the America flag, there are dozens if not hundreds, protesting fascism.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
43. They are not immigrants but identify as Mexican because that area was once Mexico.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

They are ancestrally Mexican.

I don't agree with violence, though.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
42. Non-sense conspiracy theory that just discredits us
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jun 2016

We should distance ourselves from violent mobs instead of coming up with fanciful lies to excuse bad actors from our side.

These conspiracy theories can only persist because we haven't sufficiently distanced ourselves from mob violence /rioting.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
44. Yup! Agree completely !
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016

first the far left thinks these protests are wonderful because they publicize the opposition to Trump.

then, when these attacks help Trump, he is suddenly an evil genius that did it all to discredit the left !

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