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"Just Take Me To Jail (Original Post) kpete Jun 2016 OP
Could you imagine the shit-storm if an athlete said that, today? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #1
There was a shit storm when he said that then. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #3
There was quite the shit storm and LiberalElite Jun 2016 #4
Amen notemason Jun 2016 #9
After he said that, what hit Ali wasn't a shit storm sarge43 Jun 2016 #6
actually I don't think it would be as bad as what really happened. rurallib Jun 2016 #25
He inspired all of us in so many different ways world wide wally Jun 2016 #2
And so went to jail, or Canada, or CO service... FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #5
My Dad Hated Muhammad Ali For Not "Going" To Vietnam scottie55 Jun 2016 #7
My father admired him greatly for his stance. llmart Jun 2016 #26
While understandable in context, the sentence “my enemy is the white people” was ugly Albertoo Jun 2016 #27
The Mexicans Aren't Lynching The Trumps Of This World scottie55 Jun 2016 #28
Where there legal lynchings in the US at the time? Straw men aren't people. Albertoo Jun 2016 #30
In context of a black man in the civil rights era, what Ali said was justified... qdouble Jun 2016 #32
I was a teen when he said this, and it made perfect sense to me The Blue Flower Jun 2016 #8
He came in for quite a bit of hate from my parents and their circle. Ligyron Jun 2016 #10
Truth spud_demon Jun 2016 #11
Big Powerful America scottie55 Jun 2016 #29
k&r uppityperson Jun 2016 #12
I have admired that statement since I was a child La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #13
My husband was inspired by Muhammed Ali mnhtnbb Jun 2016 #14
video napkinz Jun 2016 #15
Damn, that last part is still true today. blackspade Jun 2016 #19
thank you, napkinz - hopemountain Jun 2016 #22
Wow!! Thanks for posting that KelleyKramer Jun 2016 #31
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #33
Belongs to the ages and zentrum Jun 2016 #16
K&R napkinz Jun 2016 #17
He's a "Bad Man!" blackspade Jun 2016 #18
K & R... dhill926 Jun 2016 #20
Kicked and recommended! nt Enthusiast Jun 2016 #21
How is it that Bernie was able to evade the draft (No I don't mean to Criticise Bernie) Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #23
This snopes.com article discusses Sanders and the draft... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #34
The words of a truly great man and hero. jwirr Jun 2016 #24
Lesson to Be Learned, Courtesy of The Greatest 13Dogs Jun 2016 #35

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
4. There was quite the shit storm and
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

as a teenager then, I thought "wow you can say that?" I learned a lot about integrity from Ali.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
6. After he said that, what hit Ali wasn't a shit storm
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016

it was a freakin' shit hurricane. He stood up and faced it.

rurallib

(62,413 posts)
25. actually I don't think it would be as bad as what really happened.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jun 2016

It would be bad true - but the real thing was bad too.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
2. He inspired all of us in so many different ways
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

Sports, politics. racial tolerance, reaching out to others, generosity, and yes... even trash talking for fun.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
5. And so went to jail, or Canada, or CO service...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016

Thanks, Ali,for being such a big voice resisting the insanity of Vietnam.

You will be missed.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
7. My Dad Hated Muhammad Ali For Not "Going" To Vietnam
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016

Ali was smart enough to know who his real enemy was.

White Racists who wanted to keep him and his friends as slaves for eternity.

“my enemy is the white people, not the Vietcong”.

Some folks simply refuse......

llmart

(15,537 posts)
26. My father admired him greatly for his stance.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jun 2016

My father had many things about him that weren't admirable, but he was anti-war and when Ali took this stance, my father had nothing but excessive praise for the man.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
27. While understandable in context, the sentence “my enemy is the white people” was ugly
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jun 2016

What difference with Trump saying “my enemy is the Mexican people”
or “my enemy is the xxx people” with the xxx of your choice?

Ali was brave, strong willed, but some of his attitudes sucked.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
28. The Mexicans Aren't Lynching The Trumps Of This World
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jun 2016

There is a lot of difference between someone telling the truth, regardless the cost, and one trying to become the next Hitler.

qdouble

(891 posts)
32. In context of a black man in the civil rights era, what Ali said was justified...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:06 AM
Jun 2016

a rich billionaire saying that today? Of course not. There's a huge difference between the oppressed telling the oppressor to go fuck themselves vs the oppressor saying it.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
10. He came in for quite a bit of hate from my parents and their circle.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jun 2016

I remember thinking maybe he was "chicken".

Man was I ever wrong and my parents and their friends? Way, way wrong.

Man is an Icon and rightly so - the years have proven the correctness of his stance. A brown eyed, handsome man for sure and a beautiful human being.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
29. Big Powerful America
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jun 2016

Who's corporations have their jack boots on the throats of every citizen on this planet.

Some people are so tired of these jack boots, they actually fly planed into our buildings.

But we don't ever want to talk about that.

Ali was waaaaaaay ahead of his time.

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
14. My husband was inspired by Muhammed Ali
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jun 2016

He was Berry planned during Vietnam--given the option to finish Med School and serve later--
and he seriously thought about going to Canada. Instead, he and a few other brave souls
in Med School at UCLA set up a table to protest the Vietnam war in the heart of the UCLA
Med Center.

My husband ended up enlisting in the Air Force--did his two years--and has spent most of
the rest of his career treating, at least part-time, vets at the VA Hospitals where he worked
in Los Angeles after he finished his residency in Psychiatry at UCLA, and then Lincoln, NE when we moved there in 1994.
My husband's maternal family is from Kentucky and their name was Clay. He thinks it's possible
that he and Muhammed Ali might have been distant cousins.

KelleyKramer

(8,959 posts)
31. Wow!! Thanks for posting that
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jun 2016

Don't think I have ever seen that last part, he just put it right out there, very powerful stuff! And a very brave man.


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Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
23. How is it that Bernie was able to evade the draft (No I don't mean to Criticise Bernie)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jun 2016

but dark skinned people were taken to jail? My Dad said the draft was BS...that poor kids went mostly...Trump didn't go. My Dad was in Korea and Vietnam. He never faulted Muhammad Ali.

13Dogs

(45 posts)
35. Lesson to Be Learned, Courtesy of The Greatest
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jun 2016

"While many scorned Ali’s decision at the time" - 49 years later it's crystal clear that Ali was on the right side of history with respect to the Vietnam War. The fact that he stuck by his principles, despite the vicious condemnation from the authoritarians and war mongers, speaks volumes of the strength and goodness of this man. He asked the brilliant question, why would I want to go and kill poor people living in the mud for big. powerful America? The fact that question is still sadly relevant almost 50 years later, doesn't say a lot for the human race's progress towards a peaceful planet...but make no mistake, Ali sure did his part, and then some, towards that goal. He was a giant...

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