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Cyrano

(15,031 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:03 PM Jun 2016

Declaring Martial Law could make Trump absolute dictator

The President of the United States can declare martial law without anyone else's approval. Do we really want to give Trump that power? Here's an excerpt from the U.S. Constitution.

Martial law on the national level may be declared by Congress or thepresident. Under Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, of the Constitution,Congress has the power "[t]o provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel Invasions." Article II,Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution declares that "[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." Neither constitutional provision includes a direct reference to martial law. However, the Supreme Court has interpreted both to allow the declaration of martial law by the president or Congress
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Note the words "congress or the president" in the first and last paragraphs above. And note that any president could make a case for instituting it. And the president's decision could not be overridden by congress or the courts.

httphttp://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Martial+Law://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Martial+Law

Everyone should understand by now that Trump is a psychotic narcissist. There is absolutely nothing that could prevent him from declaring marital law if he were to become president.

Think about that for a moment. Would any sane person want Donald Trump to have absolute power? Even if you support him, would you really want him to have absolute power?

Here's my opinion. If Trump were to be elected, a day or two after the day he was inaugurated, January 20, 2017, he would declare martial law. (It would take that day or two for his henchmen to explain marital law to him.)

Seriously, does anyone here plan not to vote, or sit out the election? If so, you are helping to open the door to insanity.
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roamer65

(36,745 posts)
1. The United States will cease to exist at that point.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

The secessions will come very quickly if it comes to this.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
3. Looking at how Bush and Cheney ran over the US, they would be quite mild
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jun 2016

compared to a Trump regime. I do seriously think the US would fall apart. His ego would grow to massive proportions.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
4. FYI, Bush declared a state of emergency on 9/12/01. Never rescinded.TMK
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016

Notice anything different? Hmm, yes. A few things. Shhhh.

Trump wouldn't have to declare anything.
They already have their martial law, and we're all soaking in it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. assuming you're serious and not just using stigmatizing language for bigotry
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jun 2016

the accusation that's made against Trump is exceedingly grave and requires some credible evidence beyond arm-chair medicine.

I will grant that narcissists don't always or even usually seek help, and that might not be easy. But a credible source within the psychiatric community with the capacity to make such a provisional diagnosis in the absence of an interview is really needed.

Although I've heard this sort of thing pretty regularly (and not always about Trump, but also about Sanders, and various of the other republican candidates) I haven't read this from a credible authority in a credible publication. I'd appreciate a credible link if you have one (or more).

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
8. Numerous psychiatrists and psychologists have been speaking out on his narcissism --
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:55 AM
Jun 2016

at some risk to their careers. That's how concerned they are.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/donald-trump-narcissism-therapists

For mental-health professionals, Donald Trump is at once easily diagnosed but slightly confounding. “Remarkably narcissistic,” said developmental psychologist Howard Gardner, a professor at Harvard Graduate School of Education.“Textbook narcissistic personality disorder,” echoed clinical psychologist Ben Michaelis. “He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops because there’s no better example of his characteristics,” said clinical psychologist George Simon, who conducts lectures and seminars on manipulative behavior. “Otherwise, I would have had to hire actors and write vignettes. He’s like a dream come true.”

That mental-health professionals are even willing to talk about Trump in the first place may attest to their deep concern about a Trump presidency. As Dr. Robert Klitzman, a professor of psychiatry and the director of the master’s of bioethics program at Columbia University, pointed out, the American Psychiatric Association declares it unethical for psychiatrists to comment on an individual’s mental state without examining him personally and having the patient’s consent to make such comments. This so-called Goldwater rule arose after the publication of a 1964 Fact magazine article in which psychiatrists were polled about Senator Barry Goldwater’s fitness to be president. Senator Goldwater brought a $2 million suit against the magazine and its publisher; the Supreme Court awarded him $1 in compensatory damages and $75,000 in punitive damages.

But you don’t need to have met Donald Trump to feel like you know him; even the smallest exposure can make you feel like you’ve just crossed a large body of water in a small boat with him. Indeed, though narcissistic personality disorder was removed from the most recent issue of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, for somewhat arcane reasons, the traits that have defined the disorder in the past—grandiosity; an expectation that others will recognize one’s superiority; a lack of empathy—are writ large in Mr. Trump’s behavior.

“He’s very easy to diagnose,” said psychotherapist Charlotte Prozan. “In the first debate, he talked over people and was domineering. He’ll do anything to demean others, like tell Carly Fiorina he doesn’t like her looks. ‘You’re fired!’ would certainly come under lack of empathy. And he wants to deport immigrants, but [two of] his wives have been immigrants.” Michaelis took a slightly different twist on Trump’s desire to deport immigrants: “This man is known for his golf courses, but, with due respect, who does he think works on these golf courses?”

SNIP

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/23/donald-trump-elections-2016-diagnosis-narcissism-personality-disorder-column/82128174/

By Seth D. Norrholm, assistant professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Emory University School of Medicine.

What does a narcissist look like? The Donald is a textbook example.

The presidential election campaign has launched a debate about narcissism and political leaders. And no wonder, given the criteria listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. They include a grandiose sense of self-importance, a preoccupation with unlimited fantasies of success, power, and brilliance; a belief that one is special; a consistent requirement for excessive admiration; a sense of entitlement; the taking advantage of others for one’s own gain; a lack of empathy for others, and a hyper-sensitivity to criticism.

Sound familiar?

It has been suggested that highly paid chief executive officers are often highly narcissistic and may seek to eliminate those who might challenge them in the long term. Beliefs of superiority and grandiosity often persist in the presence of performance indicators to the contrary, and narcissism has often been associated with overconfident decision-making, use of deception and resistance to acknowledge or learning from one’s mistakes.

More familiar?

Cynics would say these traits apply more or less to all politicians. But these days, as a virtual panel of clinical psychologists concluded, they seem an uncanny fit for Donald Trump.

SNIP

http://www.nepsy.com/articles/leading-stories/families-of-narcissists-suffer-most-psychologist-says/

In reality, it is not the narcissist who generally pays for his unbalanced view of the world. While narcissists may lose out on true relationships and the beauty of a two-way street, they don’t often realize their loss, being so wrapped in their own pathology, according to Richard A. Grossman, Ph.D., a Brookline, Mass.-based psychologist who specializes in working with spouses and adult children of narcissists. It is those around them who suffer most often.

Grossman spoke with New England Psychologist’s Catherine Robertson Souter about the problems faced by those closest to narcissists, why we are drawn to narcissists, how they may have an edge in evolution and the danger of putting such people in a position of power or influence.

Q: First, how did you come to choose this line of work?

A: Through some unusual circumstances, I ended up working and teaching in the outpatient psychiatry department at Mass. General/Harvard Medical School by the age of 24.

SNIP

Do you think that today, narcissism is on the rise?

A: The easy answer would be yes. After all, we have a presidential candidate, Donald Trump, who appears to be a textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
9. Has this been an OP? If not, it should be.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:36 AM
Jun 2016

Great information to be bookmarked, copied, shared. Thank you.

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
6. Neither the President nor the Congress possesses an absolute power to declare martial law:
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jun 2016

it is limited to such time and place and circumstance as render the ordinary courts effectively inoperative

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