Miami Herald: Why Trump Will Win The White House

[mac56]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Raine1967 (a host of the General Discussion forum).

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/article81920737.html

(snip)

A few months ago, Trump started referring to Clinton as “Crooked Hillary.” He’s preparing the rhetorical battle space.

Also, Clinton is not a very good debater. People forget the way Barack Obama eviscerated her during the 2008 Democratic primaries. She does not do well in situations where she doesn’t have complete control. It’s why she prefers interviews to news conferences. Interviews are more predictable. Press conferences are free-for-alls.

We’re a long way from the Lincoln-Douglas era, when people would sit and listen for hours to closely argued speeches. Trump is a master of the emotional appeal. He’s shown he has no compunction about attacking Clinton and her husband on their moral and ethical lapses, even as he’s fighting lawsuits accusing him of fraud and dodging questions about his past infidelities and current net worth.

In a contest between two shameless politicians, the one with the least shame wins. Get ready for President Trump.

[upaloopa]

1. So you are OK with cheering on a Trump disaster for our country.

You should be loathed by everyone on this board.

[mac56]

6. You didn't read the article, obviously.

The author points out things that we already know about Trump and how he operates, and lining them up against Hillary's weaknesses.

And I'll settle for just being loathed by you.

[upaloopa]

7. You don't belong on a Democratic board

[mac56]

8. Thank you for making that decision.

[Renew Deal]

33. Why are you cheering on Trump?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280208226

[basselope]

56. +1

[PJMcK]

9. Let's give mac56 the benefit of the doubt

It's always good to read the editorials we don't agree with in order to understand the contrasting points of view. Unless mac56 expresses support for Donald Trump, I'm thankful for the linked article.

[mac56]

11. Well, thank you.

It's pretty clear, I think, that I do not and will not support Trump.

[Person 2713]

32. It's clear. Last week I too was told I don't belong here when posting about Trump

and was a Trump something ...I don't remember

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

45. Acknowledging that Hillary Clinton is a mortally flawed candidate isn't cheering on Trump

Trump is going to dominate the discussion with some cruder variation on "There you go again" over and over again.

[tonyt53]

2. Notice "opinion" in the link. Few are in agreement with them

The way it is going with Trump, he may drop out before their convention. He is ready to explode and she shit has not begun to hit the fan about him.

[Renew Deal]

5. right wing opinion

[Happyhippychick]

3. "Clinton is not a very good debater."

(breathe)


She wipes the floor with anyone she debates. She may not be a great campaigner, that I definitely see. But not a good debater?

[Renew Deal]

4. Hillary beat Bernie in every single debate

And she was always very competitive with Obama who is a strong debater,

[truebrit71]

12. ROFLMFAO!

On what fucking planet???

[Renew Deal]

16. You don't have to believe it

But the election results bear it out. Every time serious people told you Hillary won, you blew it off. You might have been better served by paying attention.

[still_one]

21. she did. Her breadth and understanding of deomestic and internatinal affairs was broadly

demonstrated.

There is a reason why most of the major newspapers have endorsed her Bernie

[yourpaljoey]

10. He has a secret weapon

Those delishus juicy mouth-watering Trump Steaks™!

What happens when he offers a ten-percent off coupon to every Trump voter!?!?
He will win 100 percent of the vote, that's what!

(Offer does not include the Signature Trump Porterhouse™ - of course.
Taxes and levies may apply.)

[mercuryblues]

13. thank

you for your concern. How much more concern, using RW hacks, should we expect in the coming months?

[mac56]

15. Thank you for your concern about my concern.

If you're not concerned about Hillary's chances to beat Trump, you've either not been paying attention or have your head in the sand.

[mercuryblues]

19. Oh I have been

paying attention. I just don't jump on right wing propaganda as truths. Nor do I think RW hacks are a reliable source for opinion.

Your concern is truly noted. But you avoided my question. How much more concern, using RW sources are in the future?

[mac56]

20. How flattering that you think I have that foreknowledge.

[mercuryblues]

24. And they say

flattery will get you nowhere. Using RW propaganda as harbingers of truth, on the other hand, might make one think that your concern, isn't really concern.

[mac56]

26. Don't doubt or underestimate my concern for even a moment.

If you really don't care to acknowledge what's in store for Hillary (and us), then I don't know what to say.

[mercuryblues]

41. So right wing

journalistspropaganda machines should be posted here and fawned over as truth tellers? Their smear machine knows no bounds. I for one don't care to give it any legitimacy by posting their propaganda as facts. Call me crazy, for not wanting to present and spread RW lies and smears onto a democratic site. If I want to read that stuff, I know how to google freerepublic, world nut daily and drudge. I would rather deal with facts and issues.

[mac56]

42. ---

[mercuryblues]

48. LOL

You consider not giving RW propagandists a platform to spew their nonsense as an echo chamber. Do you also watch Faux newz and think their reporting should be taken seriously?

facts are not the same thing as RWnutjob opinion pieces. I can't wait to see Limbaughs rants here, as if he is a credible sources of news.

[mac56]

50. Okay. It's obvious I've upset the delicate china table settings.

I'll fall right in line, really truly I will.

[mercuryblues]

54. odd how

you think you upset me. Please proceed.

[NaturalHigh]

14. Meh. Trump has as much chance beating Clinton...

as I have taking down Brock Lesnar. I have a standing bet of a coke for anyone who disagree with me that Hillary Clinton will be our next president.

[sufrommich]

17. This isn't the editorial board of the Miami Herald,this is an

editorial from someone who works for the conservative Heartland Institute. Who the fuck cares what their propagandists are spewing?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute

[mac56]

18. Great. Don't care, then.

[yellowcanine]

25. It is fair to point out the diff between opinion from the Miami Herald and The Heartland Institute.

Seems to me you are the one with your fingers in your ears if you can't understand that.

[mac56]

27. What....?

[yellowcanine]

31. No, who's on first. What's on second.

[sufrommich]

28. Is that your reasoning for bringing this swill here?

Hell,why bother with the Heartland Institute editorials? Go straight for Breitbart,I'm sure they think Trump's the superior candidate too.

[mac56]

30. So sorry I agitated you this morning.

Clearly I popped the protective bubble. I'll just sit down, shut up, and believe with all my heart that she'll prevail.

[pampango]

61. No agitation. A better title would be: "RW Heartland Institute: Why Trump Will Win The White House"

We should be exposed to conservative's reasoning on how or why Trump might win the election. You are doing a favor by posting it. We need to know what conservatives are thinking and planning in order to defeat them.

It would be helpful if posters made it clear that their titles clear as to what is being posted.

[mac56]

62. I thought the protocol is to leave titles intact as published.

Will do better next time.

[Beaverhausen]

22. Hillary isn't a very good debater?

[leftynyc]

23. The Miami Herald says no such thing

An OPINION writer wrote an op/ed. That is not an editorial by the paper. Surely you do know the difference and aren't trying to snow people, right?

[WhiteTara]

40. He's from the Heartland Institute.

[libodem]

29. And he calls Bernie 'crazy'

[WhiteTara]

35. So this guy is from the Heartland Institute.

Climate Change Deniers and according to Wikipedia
The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Arlington Heights, Illinois, in the northwest suburbs of Chicago.

Great source you've got there.

[mac56]

39. ---

[WhiteTara]

43. Surely you know the difference between

a rabid right wing guest editorial writer with an agenda and a news article.

[mac56]

44. Surely you know the difference between

preparing our side for what lies ahead, and sticking one's head in the sand.

[WhiteTara]

47. Glad to see you are on "our" side

[mac56]

49. If this is a shot at my loyalty to the Democratic Party,

it's a bit heavy-handed.

I've been a Democrat since 1974. I want the Democrats to win. I have serious and fear-inducing doubts that Hillary is the one who can beat Trump. Devalue the columnist any way you like -- it's a forecast of what's in store for our side.

It appears that I'm the first one in the history of DU to ever post such an opinion. Imagine that! Me, the first!

[WhiteTara]

53. That was a sincere

glad you are on our (democratic party) side.

BS supporters have posted hundreds of articles about how Clinton will lose etc, so obviously you are not the first. I just think that you should know your source instead of blindly copy and pasting anything you see without a note of what it is.

[mac56]

58. I did not "blindly copy and paste."

I was well aware of the writer's background.

And as I've posted many times here and elsewhere, I don't think Hillary has a better chance than Bernie does to defeat Trump.

If we as Democrats aren't willing to look at that, we're in for a horrible November.

But I see now that I've belched during mass. Mea culpa.

[Hiraeth]

36. worst.choices.ever.

[shenmue]

46. You're still losing, so Sanders is the worse choice

According to actual voters.

[Hiraeth]

51. are you saying that I am NOT an actual voter?

dumb.

so tired of the dumb.

because I actually voted.

Therefore, I am an actual voter

such a dumb comment and the stupid laughter.

inane.

done with you, too. shenmue.

[leftofcool]

37. Another right wing opinion

[Agnosticsherbet]

38. Trump is the weakest Republican Candidate that I've seen since I started voting.

An unabashed bigot, misogynist, racist, narcissist with a long history of making statements that contradict everything he says now.

Hell, on one issue, Libya, he was for it in 2011, against it in February 2016, and is now would have made limited strikes, so he is for it again.

I said this on another thread, Democrats could not have chosen a better opponent if we had nominated him ourselves.

[MariaThinks]

52. what a stupid article. Hillary destroyed trump with her first speech.

[guillaumeb]

55. Highly recommended. What is sad, on a site devoted to politics,

is the number of responders to your post who obviously did not read, or did not comprehend, the article.

Even the portion that you posted gives enough information that people should be able to understand that the author is not advocating for a Trump Presidency, but simply stating why the author feels it is a possibility.

[mac56]

57. Yes. Thank you.

[Hoyt]

59. Actually, the Miami Herald Editorial Board did not say that. Some opinion

writer did. Why do people act like it is a quote from the paper?

[mac56]

60. So predictions of what lies ahead would be valid only if they're written by the editorial board?

[Raine1967]

63. Locking; Wrong forum.

Mentions a Dem candidate.