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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWomen-only pool hours at a NY community pool is drawing complaints and controversy
NEW YORK (AP) A New York City municipal pool that maintains female-only hours so that Hasidic Jewish women can swim with no men present has raised alarms among critics who say the accommodation to a particular religious group violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
But defenders say the women-only swim sessions at the Metropolitan Recreation Center give women whose community separates the sexes a rare chance to exercise.
"Why deprive them?" said New York state Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a Democrat who represents a heavily Orthodox Jewish district in Brooklyn. "Really, you're not taking away from anyone else."
The rec center in Brooklyn's Williamsburg neighborhood has apparently kept women-only pool hours since the 1990s, but the practice only came to the attention of the wider public when someone complained about it to the city's Commission on Human Rights.
Commission spokesman Seth Hoy said it received an anonymous tip "a few months back" that the indoor pool might be violating the city's human rights law, which bans sex discrimination in public accommodations.
Hoy said the commission reached out to the city Department of Parks and Recreation to discuss its pool policies.
According to Hikind, swimming pool staffers then started telling the Hasidic women that the female-only hours would be discontinued on June 11.
"A number of women called my office very distraught," Hikind said.
But defenders say the women-only swim sessions at the Metropolitan Recreation Center give women whose community separates the sexes a rare chance to exercise.
"Why deprive them?" said New York state Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a Democrat who represents a heavily Orthodox Jewish district in Brooklyn. "Really, you're not taking away from anyone else."
The rec center in Brooklyn's Williamsburg neighborhood has apparently kept women-only pool hours since the 1990s, but the practice only came to the attention of the wider public when someone complained about it to the city's Commission on Human Rights.
Commission spokesman Seth Hoy said it received an anonymous tip "a few months back" that the indoor pool might be violating the city's human rights law, which bans sex discrimination in public accommodations.
Hoy said the commission reached out to the city Department of Parks and Recreation to discuss its pool policies.
According to Hikind, swimming pool staffers then started telling the Hasidic women that the female-only hours would be discontinued on June 11.
"A number of women called my office very distraught," Hikind said.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3259421f36124a34be17b68654a7bf4e/no-men-allowed-women-only-pool-hours-draw-complaints-nyc
The pool then reversed itself and said the women-only hours will remain for now. But it may be in clear violation of the city's own laws.
Mayor De Blasio dodged a question last week related to the controversy. He was asked if a transgender woman would be allowed during women only pool hours even if it violates the religion of women there. He would only say that the city is reviewing the case.
The controversy is similar to one erupting in Sweden. A pool in the city of Malmo went to women only hours to accommodate the growing Muslim migrant population. Some Muslim women say they are not permitted by their religion to swim in the company of men. The issue has lead to outrage in a country that prides itself on gender equality.
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Women-only pool hours at a NY community pool is drawing complaints and controversy (Original Post)
davidn3600
Jun 2016
OP
If some group told NYC that it was against their religion to swim with black people,
Nye Bevan
Jun 2016
#4
snooper2
(30,151 posts)1. fucking stupid...fundies can deal with it or put a pool in their church LOL
It's not like they are wearing anything revealing anyway
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)2. Conservative Religions. Dividing people since God knows when.
I want to have more respect and tolerance, but they make it so difficult.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)3. Announcing the Nosy Busybody hours
The third Wednesday of ever month, from 2-4 a.m., nosy busybodies will take over the Metropolitan Recreation Center pool! Folks will be encouraged to criticize other patrons on their choice of swimwear, makeup, tattoos (or lack thereof), and any other subject that's really none of their business. Please keep Lane 3 of the pool open for people who hate Taylor Swift. Join other like-minded busybodies for a gripe session sure to please even the nosiest!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)4. If some group told NYC that it was against their religion to swim with black people,
would they be accommodated with whites-only swim times?
No? How is this different?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)5. Swimming isn't a right
If you want segregated pools, go live in a country run by religion.
msongs
(67,393 posts)6. how odd that only women have to cover themselves and the men can wear a g-string nt
struggle4progress
(118,273 posts)7. NYC can sort this out with no help from internet busy-bodies
Some costs of the facility are covered by the $150/year membership fee ($25/year for veterans and the disabled)
This pool is open over 80 hours/week with about 8 hours/week female only. New York has about a dozen recreation centers with pools. The city also has about nine entirely free outdoor pools and about nine public beaches
Folk needing the Metropolitan Recreation Center pool schedule can find it here:
https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/recreationcenters/B085/schedule#Pool