Andrea Farrington is dead, at the hands of an Open Carry Activist, and some on DU are lying about it

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(X-posted from the Iowa forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10514376 )



Look, I understand that there are those here on DU who like to ridicule the very notion that the lives of Iowans matter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7073424

And there are those who like to cast doubt on whether it ever even happened.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=192039

But why, just as Alexander Kozac is sentenced to life in prison, are folks here on DU actually lying about her murder?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172195245

Iowan Lives Matter, and it's no joke!

[Duckhunter935]

1. What is the lie?

I see you do not care or worse just disrespect Skinner and the guidance of gun related posts in GD

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http://www.thegazette.com/man-in-mall-shooting-returned-with-gun-20150614

A post on Kellie Kozak’s Facebook page detailing a visit to Costco in which her husband was apparently carrying a sidearm indicates the pair are strong supporters of the Second Amendment. Ken Kozak said his son-in-law was responsible with weapons.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/iowa-open-carry-nut-gunned-down-mall-worker-who-filed-sexual-harassment-complaints-against-him/

Kozak — who is currently being held on $10 million bail — is married to Kellie Kozak, who recently posted pictures on her Facebook page of a visit to Costco where her husband can be seen carrying a sidearm.

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4. And by the way, Black Lives Matter!

A- Zimmermann broke no current laws, acted reasonably and Florida laws relating to any of his actions need no changes

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[Duckhunter935]

7. That is what the justice system and the jury found

So we should no longer have jury trials or even trials at all? We should just string him up, wow, that seems inappropriate, right?

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[Duckhunter935]

12. Alaska state defense force?

[Rex]

22. asdfghjkl

[exboyfil]

5. This statement from your linked post implies

causality that did not exist.

"He tried to take his gun into a Costco in an Open Carry Demonstration, but he was stopped by management before he was able to get inside.

So he took his gun to a local mall and murdered a woman."


I would replace the word "So" to "He later".

The facts of the case are that he texted multiple times with the victim. He got creepy in his interactions with her. She complained. The mall security employer took some steps to separate them. Another creepy interaction with another complaint. Employer called him on the carpet. He went back to his home and got his gun. He came to the mall and shot her three times in the back.

He definitely was a gun's rights advocate, but he also was a creep with an uncontrollable temper. I pray we don't have another trial, and he spends the rest of his life in jail where he belongs.

[Orrex]

8. You're thinking about this the wrong way

It's not that Iowans' lives don't matter per se; it's that no one's life is more important than Scalia's hard-right interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

[KamaAina]

10. Iowan Lives Matter? Sorry, the caucuses were in February. Check back with me in four years.

[demmiblue]

11. Stop dragging the Gungeon into GD. n/t

[Duckhunter935]

13. Agreed

[Rex]

14. Well if you are talking about the folks that live in the gun forum, waste of time there is no room

for debate. Might as well go hang out in GD-P and choose a side.

[HuckleB]

15. The OP can't respond.

He/she had a post hidden (see above), I guess because of the term "troll." I'm a bit confused myself. If I had altered on such a post, it would have been upheld 7-0, and the responses would have been rather ugly as to why I had alerted.

Strange DU days, indeed.

[Rex]

16. It is the primary spill over imo. Every forum is getting a little bit crazier.

I just hope we don't actually lose half the DU population over their pony not winning the race.

[HuckleB]

17. I had one hidden 4-3, yesterday.

The majority of my hidden posts are 4-3.

I asked if the poster was old enough to post at DU.

Yeah, I deserved it. Still, having that post hidden, only made me wonder more.

Still, I'm going to start alerting on myself. That way, I won't have any hidden posts.

[Rex]

19. That is about the most benign putdown on DU, people are starting to stress out way too much imo.

Can you alert on yourself? Sometimes I wish I could put myself on ignore.

[beevul]

18. Factually untrue.

Well if you are talking about the folks that live in the gun forum, waste of time there is no room for debate. Might as well go hang out in GD-P and choose a side.

Factually untrue. Debate is encouraged in the guns group.

Only one group involving guns blocks opposing viewpoints, and it isn't the gun group.

They didn't earn the moniker 'bansalot' for nothing.

[Rex]

20. I am correct, it might be encouraged but the results speak for themselves.

The Gungeon is anything but wonderful conversations and enlightened debate.

[one_voice]

21. Locking..

Disruptive meta is not allowed.