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ffr

(22,669 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:04 AM Jun 2016

Why Aren't You As Angry As I Am About Congress?

I didn’t realize how angry I was about what the House and Senate are doing…or, more accurately, not doing…until I heard someone who should know better say that Congress would be “returning to work” this week after being out of town for its Memorial Day recess.

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In spite of the Republican leadership insisting at the start of the year that passing all of the appropriations by October 1 was one of its highest priorities, it’s now clear that’s not going to happen and that a continuing resolution will again be needed to avoid another federal government shutdown.

Indeed, given how few days are left before the start of the fiscal year (the House is only scheduled to be in session for 33 days between now and October 1; the Senate is only scheduled to be in session for 46), and the strong likelihood that there will be little-to-no legislative business conducted on some of these days, it’s very possible that Congress won’t act an any of the fiscal 2017 appropriations and that a CR covering all federal departments and agencies will be needed.

Congressional inaction on appropriations will only increase as the leadership in both houses realizes there’s no time to get anything done and that they shouldn’t even bother.

<snip>

In other words, even the make-work projects Congress is using to divert attention from the fact that it’s not doing what it’s legally required to do on the budget won’t get done.

How can you not be angry? - Stan Collender - Forbes 06/05/16


Republicans control the House of Representatives, the Senate, make rules and hold hearings.
Republican inaction on budget.
Republican inaction on SCOTUS.

Republican inaction...YOU FILL IN THE BLANK.

Humiliate republicans anywhere and everywhere for giving us this scourge on America. GOTV for democrats in 2016! Sweep the GOP out of office on every level. We need democrats elected to make our government work again. This is our battle cry!

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Why Aren't You As Angry As I Am About Congress? (Original Post) ffr Jun 2016 OP
because the corporations control congress and we have no say as a result. Javaman Jun 2016 #1
Also most voters like their Congress person but hate all the rest yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #2
I live in texas. Javaman Jun 2016 #3
Then this is your call to action. Turn Texas purple. ffr Jun 2016 #4
we're trying but the very illegal jerrymandering that the right does in this state makes it... Javaman Jun 2016 #6
Most definitely. n/t ffr Jun 2016 #7
Don't you mean Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #13
I detest my lying sack of shit congress critter TexasProgresive Jun 2016 #26
GOP controls congress, Corps control GOP. Cryptoad Jun 2016 #14
They fight over control of the power so their side gets more of their corporate welfare. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #16
Corruption is bi-partisan Jack Rabbit Jun 2016 #33
We are in dire need of several constitutional amendments. dawg Jun 2016 #5
But 92% of Congress critturs who run again are reelected. JayhawkSD Jun 2016 #8
Same here, but... freebrew Jun 2016 #34
"the Dems won't run anyone against her." JayhawkSD Jun 2016 #37
Each of the last few Congresses has had the same thing in common. lpbk2713 Jun 2016 #9
An effective ad campaign could help accomplish that ffr Jun 2016 #10
GOTV doesn't do much if the need for money theaocp Jun 2016 #11
When a neighbor shows up at my door in support of a candidate ffr Jun 2016 #12
Do that and push for the constitutional amendment theaocp Jun 2016 #15
Chicken and the egg. Can't push for an amendment ffr Jun 2016 #18
Okay, but the study shows the lack of influence regular voters theaocp Jun 2016 #22
I would be inspired, but it brings me back to the chicken and the egg ffr Jun 2016 #24
You're not seeing the full picture. My wife is a key player theaocp Jun 2016 #29
(Psst: The Continuing Resolution is President Obama's budget.) sofa king Jun 2016 #17
Bernie's right about our country needing a political revolution. jalan48 Jun 2016 #19
Revolution? I'll take a revolution. ffr Jun 2016 #21
Corporations are people my friend. Our problems are bigger than political parties. jalan48 Jun 2016 #23
You answer with a slogan. ffr Jun 2016 #25
To the barricades! Awareness of the current political/money set-up is the first step. jalan48 Jun 2016 #30
Bingo. yardwork Jun 2016 #20
It is easier to blame the President. Many Democrats do not vote Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #27
It's been a mess since 2010 and the formation of the Republican Tea Party Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #28
CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!1!11!!1!!!11!! KamaAina Jun 2016 #31
Why are you making assumptions about how angry I am and what I "should" do with it? n/t TygrBright Jun 2016 #32
It's amazing what people become accustomed to. forest444 Jun 2016 #35
The republiscum has to raise money from their corporate donors kimbutgar Jun 2016 #36

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
1. because the corporations control congress and we have no say as a result.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jun 2016

we live in the era of corporate colonization and we are the serfs.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
4. Then this is your call to action. Turn Texas purple.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

GOTV and work to get democrats elected. It starts by simply going over to the local democratic headquarters and asking if they need help. The answer will always be YES.

Let the sweeping begin!

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
6. we're trying but the very illegal jerrymandering that the right does in this state makes it...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

a massive challenge.

I'm hoping that cruz is a one term pony. What we need is solid Dem to challenge him.

I think cruz would fold like a house of cards if that happened.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
16. They fight over control of the power so their side gets more of their corporate welfare.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

I am not hopeful or impressed with anyone I have to vote for as they are all paid to screw me! The only difference is that the Democrats throw us a social bone here and there while they give away our tax dollars to big companies who don't pay any.

The Republicans just cut the social programs to squeeze out more money for TPTB.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
33. Corruption is bi-partisan
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

I'd be inclined to vote out about three-quarters of all congresscritters regardless of party. An easier and more certain way to solve the problem is radical campaign finance reform.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
5. We are in dire need of several constitutional amendments.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jun 2016

Our current system of checks and balances only functions if neither side is willing obstruct for partisan reasons. Clearly, that genie has been out of the bottle for years.

Making things worse, the voting public is not astute enough to properly assign blame for the gridlock. Some voters blame the President for everything, regardless of who controls Congress. Others are too lazy to decide, basically laying equal blame to both sides.

We need to streamline the budget process; make the party in control of the House more accountable to voters; and make it much more difficult for the Senate to obstruct things - especially Presidential appointments.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
8. But 92% of Congress critturs who run again are reelected.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

I keep hearing about how unpopular Congress is, but 92% of the legislators who run for reelection win reelection. Congress is not as unpopular as claimed if we keep reelecting it in its entirety.

Yeoman6987 has a major point. We like our guy and want to reelect him/her, but we want everyone else to throw their representatives out. Hypocrisy on a grand scale. When the dishonesty benefits us we want to keep it in place, but when it benefits someone else it is bad and we need to throw it out.

We have met the enemy and it is us.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
34. Same here, but...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

when I go to the polls, there's no one in the Dem slot.

My congresscritter is one of the most inept, shady teabagger in congress and the Dems won't run anyone against her.

The same goes for state candidates. All pug, no one to challenge.

And basically, a 50/50 state. We have a Dem guv. Gerrymandering and the loss of Dean made it all possible.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
37. "the Dems won't run anyone against her."
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

And whose fault is that?

My district is the opposite. Susan Davis gets 63% of the vote and two Republicans split 30%. That would be all very well, since Davis is fairly reliably populist on social issues, but she has never seen a military spending or "lets go to war" bill that she could vote no on.

When challenged on one of those votes her response is, "Well, that was a very difficult vote for me." Listen, lady, I don't care if it was hard or easy, it was the wrong damned vote.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
9. Each of the last few Congresses has had the same thing in common.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jun 2016




Most Unproductive Congress Ever


Led mostly by the Obstructionist goppers. If they were all paid on the basis of
their productivity you would be seeing a lot of new faces in the hallowed halls. .

ffr

(22,669 posts)
10. An effective ad campaign could help accomplish that
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jun 2016

If only one of the PACs or the DNC had some imagination. Heck, I could throw a video together that was more effective than most of the vanilla stuff they've been peddling!

ffr

(22,669 posts)
12. When a neighbor shows up at my door in support of a candidate
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

I'm more open to that candidate, so it works on me and I don't watch TV or listen to much radio anymore. Too much talking and no action.

The fact remains. If democrats vote, we win. GOTV!

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
15. Do that and push for the constitutional amendment
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

that wolf-pac.com is advocating. All the dems in the world will spend their time working for their donors without this change. All that effort to vote in more of the same, propping up the systematic corruption we have now. I don't like working my ass off for crumbs. We deserve better.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
18. Chicken and the egg. Can't push for an amendment
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

when the GOP controls the process you're trying to amend.

I don't for one second buy into the false equivalency that democrats work for their donors. Democrats actually do work for the people too and get the liberal agenda through with bills. ACA? Not even close to the dysfunction the GOP has wrought.

NOT
EVEN
CLOSE

GOTV for democrats. That's my message.

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
22. Okay, but the study shows the lack of influence regular voters
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

have on actual policies being passed that they want. Your gut instinct is irrelevant.

Changing the influence of money in our political system doesn't need congress at all. Go research wolf-pac.com and get back to me. I think you'll be inspired.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
24. I would be inspired, but it brings me back to the chicken and the egg
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016
"The objective of Wolf PAC is not theory, it is results. We will pass the 28th amendment to bring Free and Fair Elections to America, and we will reclaim our democracy."

Okay, so we sign a petition and get the necessary 200,000 signatures. Then we take it to congress and the republicans laugh at it and tell us to go pound sand.

We're right back where we started.

Whereas, the snowball really starts if we can pledge to get democrats registered to vote and see them to the polls to vote for democrats. Then we get more democrats elected, get the 67 senatorial votes necessary to actually pass a constitutional amendment and we all win.

That takes guts backed by thinking things through. And it isn't irrelevant. It's history made.

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
29. You're not seeing the full picture. My wife is a key player
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jun 2016

in wolf-pac michigan. The working with our overwhelming republican legislature to get the resolution moving forward has been very eye-opening. This isn't a petition, it's a resolution made possible through actual political maneuvering. This is a closed group, but it gives some information about how we're making this happen.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/wolfpacmi/

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
17. (Psst: The Continuing Resolution is President Obama's budget.)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

The Democrats controlled the Senate by one to three votes in 2012 and used that temporary advantage to pass what was pretty much President Obama's 2012 budget proposal.

It was the only time in his Presidency that a budget was actually passed by Congress. Prior to 2012, Congress was amending George Bush's 2006 budget--the one which crashed the economy.

Ever since, Congress has only been able to pass continuing resolutions, which use the 2012 budget framework as its base and merely amend its contents.

Since then, unemployment has fallen below five percent, the stock market has been off to the races, gasoline prices fell below $2.50 a gallon and NASA got its budget back.

So I am all about Republican inaction on the budget. The only part of their jobs they are good at is not doing their jobs. Let 'em stick to that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_resolution

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
19. Bernie's right about our country needing a political revolution.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

What's been going on can't be stopped any other way, there's too much money available to buy our representatives in today's democracy.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
21. Revolution? I'll take a revolution.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

I'll take a democratic landslide.

I'll take one less republican on state level.

I'll take PBO being able to fill judicial vacancies.

I'll take a congress that can pass a budget or hold hearings or that can even agree with bills they sponsor.

I'll take less vacations for my elected officials.

I'll take it in baby steps or leaps.

Whatever it takes to accomplish some change. ANYTHING! Right now we're stuck with these GOP turds.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
25. You answer with a slogan.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jun 2016

Might as well sit on your thumb.

Come on! We need action. We need protests. We need people writing letters to their representatives and OP-EDs in the local newspapers.

The revolution starts with us, multiplied by each us and feeding on republican inaction.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
30. To the barricades! Awareness of the current political/money set-up is the first step.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jun 2016

Many people seem to be unaware or just don't care about the influence of corporate money in politics, think Debbie Schultz and the payday loan sharks-and she's the head of the Party!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
27. It is easier to blame the President. Many Democrats do not vote
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

In midterm elections. I know several in my neighborh who can not name their Congressman.

People must show up and vote on every election. If they do not vote, it isn't corporations or Republicans who are at fault. It is individual voters.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
28. It's been a mess since 2010 and the formation of the Republican Tea Party
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jun 2016

The Republicans not only let the extreme right-wingers and other fringe elements into their party but they embraced them and their "wrecking ball" philosophy of governance (which they were already sort of predisposed to anyway)- to the point that even the so-called "reasonable Republicans" can't be allowed to be seen as cooperating with Democrats on ANYTHING or risk being attacked and primaried out of their cushy seats by the radicals. Right now, they can rig elections and stack I believe that we will hold on to the WH with Hillary but we will probably have to continue to deal with Republicans being reactionary obstructionists, especially in the House, where they have a stranglehold due to gerrymandering. I firmly hope that we can at least win back the Senate so that Republicans can't insist that we have to hold off on confirming a replacement for the late Antonin Scalia until the American people "speak" on their choice for POTUS in 2020- if the 2016 Presidential Election isn't decided "correctly" (which, sadly, I would not put past them).

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
36. The republiscum has to raise money from their corporate donors
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

And can't work their tax payer funded jobs because they don't represent the people anymore. If you vote republiscum you are a rube bring ripped off. But keep watching fox
and getting lied to. When they take your social security and Medicare away you can't blame the Democratic Party.

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