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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:23 PM Jun 2016

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

Donald Trump casts himself as a protector of workers and jobs, but a USA TODAY NETWORK investigation found hundreds of people – carpenters, dishwashers, painters, even his own lawyers – who say he didn’t pay them for their work.



During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades – and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

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USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills (Original Post) OKNancy Jun 2016 OP
I had heard before of the failure to pay lawyers. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #1
CONald Trump is his name SummerSnow Jun 2016 #11
Actually, it's... SunSeeker Jun 2016 #31
... BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #38
not paying lawyers NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #28
K&R... spanone Jun 2016 #2
Pretty amazing piece. SheilaT Jun 2016 #3
Why are we not surprised by this latest Trump revelation? nt No Vested Interest Jun 2016 #4
Every one of those lawsuits is a potential campaign ad. n/t JBoy Jun 2016 #5
This was the first thing I thought! :) nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #13
Yep - I know this very well RockaFowler Jun 2016 #6
wow NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #29
He is such an asshole. I am sorry he did this to your husband. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2016 #35
it would be karmic if he could get some revenge by doing a spot for Clinton rurallib Jun 2016 #56
He'll protect your job, he just won't pay you postatomic Jun 2016 #7
You'll always have job with Donald Trump gratuitous Jun 2016 #9
Well, he knows lots of words (so he says) postatomic Jun 2016 #12
Disgusting. narnian60 Jun 2016 #8
So Trump is a deadbeat. Well we knew that already. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #10
But it's good to share this information with folks who don't know it gratuitous Jun 2016 #14
For a small contractor, Trump is the client from hell. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #16
This is weird leftynyc Jun 2016 #15
Many people have known him to be what he is for decades. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #45
man, a lot of shit has been coming out lately... dhill926 Jun 2016 #17
if so, I wish they would hold off until after the convention, when it will be too late. spooky3 Jun 2016 #30
The real question moniss Jun 2016 #18
He lies. He cheats, He steals. world wide wally Jun 2016 #19
Ivanka owed thousands on Worth Avenue, Palm Beach. Don't know if she ever paid up or not..n/t monmouth4 Jun 2016 #20
Worst. Presidential nominee. Ever. BlueStater Jun 2016 #21
The man had a phony university, "the trump network" which sold woo and was a pyramid ... Botany Jun 2016 #22
This deadbeat is so much worse than Romney, McCain, IronLionZion Jun 2016 #23
Par for the course... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #24
jeeezus.... BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #39
Met a workman last weekend zentrum Jun 2016 #25
I believe it. spooky3 Jun 2016 #32
God, what an asshole! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #51
But..but..but... Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #26
The arrogance of the wealthy... gregcrawford Jun 2016 #27
I don't know why but ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #48
Once again-- MSM n/t ailsagirl Jun 2016 #33
It's about time this gets media attetion. I'm sure many who support him won't Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2016 #34
Like is anyone really surpirsed? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2016 #36
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #37
Makes promises he never intends to keep IronLionZion Jun 2016 #40
Well at least it's in USA today.... I would think even Dumplodites will see it BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #41
The Romney-ifcation of Trump begins. With the same result in Nov. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #42
Can they put a contractor's lien on the property? keithbvadu2 Jun 2016 #43
Yes but no pay until it's sold. Or in Trumps case, bankrupted. elehhhhna Jun 2016 #44
Don the Con malaise Jun 2016 #46
Speaking of protecting jobs, snort Jun 2016 #47
Not for Republicans: once Trump has what he wants from a little guy.... JHB Jun 2016 #49
k and r......when this gets around..it will destroy Trump with ALL small businessmen and women.... Stuart G Jun 2016 #50
Deadbeat-Donald. That's what he is, a deadbeat. BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #52
He is a cartoon character libodem Jun 2016 #53
What goes around, comes around. Find something worthwhile to flame since it applies to both floriduck Jun 2016 #54
This is fraud at its worst. tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #55
He even stole the tips from the servers. tavernier Jun 2016 #57

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
1. I had heard before of the failure to pay lawyers.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jun 2016

And, if a man turns deadbeat on his lawyers, you have to assume that he'll treat other creditors even worse.

Trump is a con man.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. Pretty amazing piece.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016

What impresses me the most is how many times hourly workers have sued him, which means he must really not pay them anything, because it seems as though hourly workers will often tolerate being shorted on their wages for far too long. Although maybe over the years people suing certain otherwise well respected department stores has helped make hourly employees more aware of their rights.

And to think that millions of people think he should be running this country.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
6. Yep - I know this very well
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016

My husband did work at Mar a Lago for him. Drumpf refused to pay the company my husband worked for and told him it was because they would get more publicity from saying "Hey, I remodeled Donald's Bathroom". He never paid them for that bathroom remodel. I have a feeling he does this ALL THE TIME!! This bathroom was about $40,000 remodel.

Donald Drumpf can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. The reason why he has money - he pisses on all of the little people. My husband was laid off shortly thereafter because the business lost a ton of money. It took my husband 2 years to get another job - and this was only part-time. It took him another 2 years to get a Full Time job.

So yes Drumpf - F-U!

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
7. He'll protect your job, he just won't pay you
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016

Call it: Blue Collar Slavery

I'm glad to see that the media won't let up on this piece of crap. Even my local 10pm news went after him. No one likes this guy outside of North Korea.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. You'll always have job with Donald Trump
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jun 2016

Whether you get paid for it is another matter entirely. For someone worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS as Trump likes to brag on endlessly, it's pretty weird how little he'll chisel people. It's like you or I skated on owing someone 80 cents; what kind of a cheapskate do you have to be to refuse to pay someone?

But I suppose Trump doesn't stay rich by paying for things.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
12. Well, he knows lots of words (so he says)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jun 2016

Doubtful that he will even address this. But as someone else mentioned, this has all the makings of a great attack piece on the Don.

yellowcanine

(35,694 posts)
10. So Trump is a deadbeat. Well we knew that already.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016

Four bankruptcies = deadbeat, no matter how you want to slice it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. But it's good to share this information with folks who don't know it
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

And to have specific names, dates, and projects that Deadbeat Donald has welched on. Big fancy do at Mar-a-Lago, and he cheats the servers out of their wages? How miserly is Trump that he'd chisel the waiters out of paying them $800 for attending to the gaggle of swells he wanted to impress?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. This is weird
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jun 2016

I recently bought the entire Mad About You television show series on dvd (loved that show, still do). In one of the episodes I recently watched, Jamie (female lead) was telling Paul (her husband) about how she was working with someone who got paid by Donnie and the check bounced!!!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. Many people have known him to be what he is for decades.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jun 2016

I was literally given a 'Why You Must Hate Donald Trump' tour of NYC by a friend in 84 or 85. I'm saying my friend asked me to swear to always oppose Trump. 30 years ago.
Not everyone was fooled, many persons turned down his offers and refused his gatherings. Trump was a regular target of ACT UP in the late 80's, they did a Halloween action at Trump Tower, very fitting for a horror show. There were a good number of arrests at more than one of their actions..

Not everyone has been slapping back and doing photo ops with him. Some have even declined large fees from his TV show. Yes.

dhill926

(16,317 posts)
17. man, a lot of shit has been coming out lately...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jun 2016

and this is USA Today. This article actually appeared in our local rag as well. Starting to think for the first time, that maybe something is up, and he won't eventually be the nominee...

moniss

(4,187 posts)
18. The real question
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jun 2016

The New York media and national network people have known about this for decades. It is not news. Of course the man is a crook. That is not news. Well known around New York/New Jersey for decades. The real question is why did the media not put this front and center for almost a year? They let the Republican primary circus go along and kept feeding the Trump bandwagon. If this had been Sanders, Clinton, Cruz etc. they would have been non-stop about this. So why do we put up with folks who will now come on news programs and lie about this. You know they will all be acting like it's a revelation. That's why I can't watch that sh*t anymore. I don't care who it is doing the talking. His racism was well known also. From the beginning the media knew that they were knowingly holding back very explosive factual information on this jerk. The media owes the American people an answer. They are probably too busy getting ready to re-run the whitewash job they did about NYC before the New York primary. The whitewash job where the media all spent hours upon hours telling everybody about what a welcoming, diversity loving city it is. But nobody dared ask any of the lying talking heads "If that's true, then how come a black man still can't get a cab?"

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
19. He lies. He cheats, He steals.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Who wouldn't vote for him for President of the United States?... Besides maybe George Washington, Abe Lincoln, FDR, JFK.... and maybe a few billion other people.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
21. Worst. Presidential nominee. Ever.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jun 2016

Republicans have to be crying in their beers at the clusterfuck their idiotic voters have made for them.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
22. The man had a phony university, "the trump network" which sold woo and was a pyramid ...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

.... scheme too, and held a fund raiser for the vets where he had the people write checks
to Donald Trump so this should be a .....


IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
23. This deadbeat is so much worse than Romney, McCain,
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

and most of the past several Republicans. This is a very deep level of sleaze and dishonest behavior.

His chances are very slim in the election. We just can't even have serious consideration of a person like this.

They key word of the general election race will be "qualified".

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
24. Par for the course...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

in the real estate development game. The big boys greedily starve the little guys BECAUSE THEY CAN. And the bigger the developer/general, the more ability they have to do so. The number of sub-contractors forced into bankruptcy in this manner is legion.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
25. Met a workman last weekend
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)

…who worked for a contractor who built a major building for Trump. In Florida.

It was a multimillion dollar project based on a contract. In the last two months Trump stopped all payment. This left the contractor holding 2million dollars in bills to pay his workers and suppliers. Trump said—"Sue me".

The contractor said this is Trump's common practice. The lawsuit ruins the contracter and they give up. Meantime the suit costsTrump about 30K and he saves several million.

 

Lance Bass esquire

(671 posts)
26. But..but..but...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

His accountants use only the BEST numbers. These people he stiffed must be out of touch with the rest of the world. They are haters...everyone knows he is the best business man in the world. EVERYONE loves him.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
27. The arrogance of the wealthy...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jun 2016

... is based on their delusional belief that they are intrinsically superior to those less fortunate. It's the same syndrome that makes "royalty" feel that they're entitled to the wealth they steal from their "subjects." The children of the rich never learn the value of intangibles like honor, integrity, and compassion, because they've never had any. The people who clean their mansions and collect their trash are usually better people than they will ever be. Fuck 'em.

EAT THE RICH!

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
48. I don't know why but ...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jun 2016

... I watch Rich Kids of Beverly Hills. Maybe because my girlfriend makes me. The way these kids act is atrocious. It's just sickening the entitlement these kids display.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
34. It's about time this gets media attetion. I'm sure many who support him won't
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jun 2016

care about this either. As he said, he could shoot someone and still have loads of supporters. As long as it doesn't happen to them personally, they don't care.

But, hopefully, these revelations (not new, but most probably didn't know) will make at least some of his supporters come to their senses!

JHB

(37,157 posts)
49. Not for Republicans: once Trump has what he wants from a little guy....
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016

...he stiffs them. So what's he going to do for you after you've already handed him your vote?

Dine & Dash Don

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
50. k and r......when this gets around..it will destroy Trump with ALL small businessmen and women....
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jun 2016

and...............This will get around...sooner or later..or in an ad that will not be forgotten......the end of Trump!!!!

There are businessmen in the Republican Party who will not like this one...too many lawsuits. not a few, but 3500..
only time will tell...the lead paragraphs would make a great one minute ad for us....!!!!!!!!!!!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
52. Deadbeat-Donald. That's what he is, a deadbeat.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016
deadbeat
Someone who doesn't pay their bills, screws up their credit, and then blames everyone else for their problems.

Fits Deadbeat-Donald to a "t".

libodem

(19,288 posts)
53. He is a cartoon character
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

Truly a caricature of absurd extremist, 'family values'.

So outlandish it can't be real.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
55. This is fraud at its worst.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

He knows that a lot of these hard working individuals have no choice but to accept what they can and that they can't afford to get caught up in a legal battle.

Trump is truly the devil.

tavernier

(12,370 posts)
57. He even stole the tips from the servers.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jun 2016

Picture the trophy wife sitting in the Penthouse, sipping the most expensive champagne. Sleaze bag walks in, reaches in his pocket and pulls out sixty two dollar bills. Laughs. "Not much in the bar tip jar tonight. Maybe I'll walk over to the parking garage and shake down the valet drivers."

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