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tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:35 PM Jun 2016

Will Gary Johnson qualify for the debates?

He is now over 10% in two recent polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-5949.html

He needs to be at 15% in an average of polls by around Labor Day to be included.

No third party candidate has qualified since Perot in 1992. It would definitely be an interesting dynamic.

If Johnson catches some sort of fire, it could be devastating for Trump, and Hillary could start winning red states, especially out West, with vote totals in the mid 40% range.

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Will Gary Johnson qualify for the debates? (Original Post) tritsofme Jun 2016 OP
Gary Johnson? bigdarryl Jun 2016 #1
And if enough Republicans can't stomach Trump and pull the lever for Johnson instead tritsofme Jun 2016 #6
Not true thecurrent polling suggest he takes more votes from Hillary bigdarryl Jun 2016 #10
Do You Have A Cite, For That Darryl? ProfessorGAC Jun 2016 #29
This is a link to current polls with Johnson in them. former9thward Jun 2016 #37
I have heard Gary Johnson say that a number of times. Chiyo-chichi Jun 2016 #35
I think it's just wishful thinking. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #36
He's still mostly a Republican. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #34
I wouldn't mind bigwillq Jun 2016 #2
The Republican Primary debates should have informed you that OnDoutside Jun 2016 #12
So be it. bigwillq Jun 2016 #13
Democracy doesn't mean a lot when a Racist Bigot can flim flam his way into office. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #18
Tell any Republican you know to... Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #3
Lol. Thanks for the suggestion! I think I'll Hortensis Jun 2016 #20
OMG! :-P NurseJackie Jun 2016 #32
No. stopbush Jun 2016 #4
He won't SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #5
And Constitution Party Reter Jun 2016 #8
What is so "exteme" about the Greens? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #16
The Greens are a pseudoscience, anti-science peddling party of loons ashtonelijah Jun 2016 #19
So do some Democrats. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #22
The Democratic Party doesn't have public funding for homeopathy & anti-GMO science in their PLATFORM ashtonelijah Jun 2016 #25
So what? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #26
I'm against faux science and quackery. ashtonelijah Jun 2016 #31
Yeah, but it is all about the percentages...we are talking majority vs. minority here snooper2 Jun 2016 #30
Johnson is going to pick up a heavy duty disenchanted vote. roamer65 Jun 2016 #7
15% is a high bar to reach quaker bill Jun 2016 #9
Absolutely... TipTok Jun 2016 #39
It's like I always say: HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #11
Unlikely but not impossible (nt) TacoD Jun 2016 #14
It seems likely the party conventions will chip away at that number. surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #15
No. n/t FSogol Jun 2016 #17
Probably not. Right now he is a shiny object. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #21
Colbert had Johnson and Weld on last night. I think their "small government" lines will tblue37 Jun 2016 #23
no way TeamPooka Jun 2016 #24
Nope and he has even admitted it. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #27
Labor Day is a long way off Warpy Jun 2016 #28
Unlikely. It will play out similarly to 2012. He had decent support - 8% or so early - then faded TwilightZone Jun 2016 #33
Trump is such an outlier candidate that I think he could really shake up this conventional wisdom tritsofme Jun 2016 #38
I saw him on Samantha Bee last night Separation Jun 2016 #40
I know 2 republicans GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #41

tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
6. And if enough Republicans can't stomach Trump and pull the lever for Johnson instead
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary could be looking at a yuuuuge electoral college landslide.


ProfessorGAC

(64,989 posts)
29. Do You Have A Cite, For That Darryl?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jun 2016

Given the platform, it seems hard to believe that anybody who would ever vote for Johnson even considered HRC.

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
37. This is a link to current polls with Johnson in them.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-5949.html

They show that Johnson either draws evenly or slightly more from Clinton. There is no evidence that supports the view of the OP that Johnson would draw everything or even most from Trump.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,577 posts)
35. I have heard Gary Johnson say that a number of times.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

He said it again on Colbert this week.
I've no idea what poll it is from or if it is accurate.
Bill Weld, on Colbert with Johnson, said he thought they'd take more votes from Trump.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
36. I think it's just wishful thinking.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

He's a conservative and a right-libertarian. There's little reason to believe he's going to pull more from the left than the right.

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
12. The Republican Primary debates should have informed you that
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is able to hide amongst the crowd, and Johnson is such a scatterbrain, he'd be aiming at Hillary as much as Trump. I want a one on one debate, so the Orange One has no where to hide.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
13. So be it.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:18 AM
Jun 2016

I support democracy. If Johnson gets the necessary poll#s, then he should debate. I'll let the people decide.

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
18. Democracy doesn't mean a lot when a Racist Bigot can flim flam his way into office.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jun 2016

Will of people or non-thinking sheep ? Sheeple as it were...

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
4. No.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jun 2016

His special moment passed the second Hillary secured the nomination.

The focus is now where it should be: on Hillary and Trump.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
8. And Constitution Party
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jun 2016

Then, in addition to Republicans and Democrats, you have the extreme left (Greens), extreme right (Constitution Party), and anarchists (Libertarians). And one fun debate.

ashtonelijah

(340 posts)
19. The Greens are a pseudoscience, anti-science peddling party of loons
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

Their platforms demands public funding for homeopathy, they deny GMOs science and promote GMO alarmism, they are made up of the folks that think chemtrails are a thing, and they are anti-fluoride.

They looney toons.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
22. So do some Democrats.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

Though I've never come across Greens who fret about chemtrails or fluoride. I have come across Democrats who believe in such. Not to mention Democrats who collaborate with Republicans, believe in creationism, are pro choice, think GMOs are toxic, (I think they should be labeled), support the NSA, don't support a $15 minimum wage, consider fracking necessary, are funded by Wall Street and corporations, support "free trade", support charter schools, and condemn socialism.

Which is "loonier"?

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
7. Johnson is going to pick up a heavy duty disenchanted vote.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jun 2016

It will come from both sides of the spectrum. Sorry, but both Trumpf and Hillary have high negative ratings.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
11. It's like I always say:
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jun 2016

I wouldn't vote for a Libertarian if you paid me, but I certainly encourage every disgruntled Republican to do so.

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
23. Colbert had Johnson and Weld on last night. I think their "small government" lines will
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

attract more disaffected Republicans than Democrats, especially since both held high ranking elected offices as GOP governors. Also, both complain loudly about how the current GOP is not about small government but about controlling what people do in their bedrooms. I think they could help Hillary just as Ross Perot helped Bill. They will draw the GOP youth the same way Ron Paul did, too, I hope.

No doubt they will attract *some* BoB voters, but mostly I think (hope) they hurt the GOP. I imagine that's what Colbert thinks, too, and that is why he had them on, to boost their chance of pulling votes from the GOP.

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
28. Labor Day is a long way off
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

and Trump will be losing a lot of chumps by then, I think.

This will be the first election that Libertarians will do well in. As for Johnson, the best thing I can say about him is that he didn't screw things up here during his 8 years.

The dynamic would not favor Trump, two qualified people who know what the job entails facing a blustering blowhard who is at heart a toddler demanding a new binkie.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
33. Unlikely. It will play out similarly to 2012. He had decent support - 8% or so early - then faded
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jun 2016

after the conventions. He'll be in the low single digits by late summer and get 1-2% in November.

tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
38. Trump is such an outlier candidate that I think he could really shake up this conventional wisdom
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

With Johnson ending up playing a major spoiler role, especially out West.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
40. I saw him on Samantha Bee last night
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jun 2016

Wow, he is a pretty goofy guy. Goofy may not be the right word Im looking for, maybe free spirit. I loved one of his answers. If elected I promise not to partake in smoking weed, or something along those lines.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
41. I know 2 republicans
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jun 2016

Who plan on voting for him.

And one person who is liberal but really does not vote will. But his lifestyle is pretty much about smoking weed.

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