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[tonyt53]

1. You never read the letter the father wrote, did you? It reeked of entitlement

Brock Turner didn't fall far from the tree.

[SCantiGOP]

3. Right

What if it had been a black homeless guy that assaulted her? I'd bet at least 20
Years.

[Warpy]

2. Thanks, I posted much the same sentiment earlier today

Yes, they spent much of their lives raising what turned out to be a monster. It's going to take them a long time to come to terms with that. Dumping on them is not going to help that process.

[NanceGreggs]

4. I agree. n/t

[CurtEastPoint]

5. Read BOTH letters from Mom and the Dad. Not ONE OUNCE OF REGRET or compassion for the

victim. Only prattling on about their innocent baby boy. No. They DESERVE to be scorned and shunned.

http://wonkette.com/602851/rapist-brock-turner-has-a-mommy-and-she-sure-seems-nice#UFQEIYUbx0fB5kf9.99

[hlthe2b]

15. Exactly... had they expressed one iota of regret & sympathy for the VICTIM , I might agree with OP

Instead their letters and comments make it clear that the lack of responsibility, self-entitlement and narcissism was a family trait.

[MFM008]

6. yeah

saying it was after all just '20 minutes"...........
These parents didn't destroy their lives, the kid did.
we are developing a' rape is ok 'attitude in this country especially
for little white, baby face, white, blonde haired, blue eyed white privileged white kids.

[strategery blunder]

47. We are not developing a "rape is ok" when white jocks do it attitude in this country.

Sadly that attitude has been prevalent in this country for a very, very long time. It is already well developed.

Otherwise I am in full agreement with you.

[Scootaloo]

7. His son raped a woman. He calls that "twenty minutes of action."

There's a big gap between wanting leniency for a loved one, and... whatever the fuck you call that.

[Aerows]

16. I was speechless when I read that.

Poor boy, he just couldn't help himself from raping a woman.

What century is this?

[apcalc]

44. An unconscious woman at that ...defenseless...an easy mark.

[Aerows]

48. There isn't any good to come out of this situation

The least of all for the young women.

Entitled butt stains, their parents, and being enablers of sorry actions should take note that most people couldn't come up with a fuck if they tried. Your precious son is going to jail, his victim has to go to the hospital and counseling.

I can't even come up with a description of how I feel about that dude and his actions.

[JI7]

8. FUCK THAT , the ONLY VICTIM is the person that was raped

[Aerows]

50. I know.

When I think I've reached my tolerance, somebody goes along and does something worse.

[JI7]

9. the fucking parents showed no remorse for what their son did. only for possible punishment

[Ms. Yertle]

10. "The actions of my son that night

were reprehensible, and cannot be defended nor denied. I can only hope that in time the young lady who was so heinously violated will recover, and go on to live a happy, fulfilling life. That said, I would respectfully request that you consider . . . "

There were things they could have said which would have acknowledged the victim and her pain, and the terrible thing their son did. what they wrote came off as self-serving and entitled.

[enough]

12. Exactly. (nt)

[uppityperson]

49. One mention of compassion toward the victim would've gone a long way.

They didn't.

[Aerows]

51. The horrible part of this, as though it could get any worse

is that they try to pretend they are the victims instead of the young woman that got raped behind a dumpster.

For heaven's sake.

Excuse me, I just can't say anything else, it is so disgusting.

[tularetom]

11. Wish I could agree with you

A lot of whats wrong with young Master Turner has its roots in the values that were instilled in him by his doting parents.

Why should they get a pass from the outrage of the majority in this case?

Truth be known, the POS is more of a victim than the people who made him.

Serves them right. They fucked up, now let them live with the odium.

[magical thyme]

13. their lives forever destroyed because of the court of public opinion?

Sorry their fee-fees got hurt.

My compassion is saved for the rape victim.

None left over for the parents of the rapist who tried to diminish *the victim's* suffering in order to spare their own fee-fees and their little snowflake from appropriate punishment.

Her life is the one forever changed; based on what I've read from her I'm relieved it's not destroyed. But that is a credit to *her* character and in spite of the rapist's lack thereof, not because of it.

If their lives are destroyed by their hurt fee-fees, well, sorry but that's due to their lack of character, not the fault of the "court of public opinion."

[Siwsan]

14. I would have compassion for them if they stopped whining and held their son accountable

They keep trying to convince everyone that this was a behavioral anomaly for their son. That he was some sort of choir boy, until he went to Stanford. Well then, curse the freaking social media that this festering boil was using. It seems that this kid lies just as easily as he breathes and thinks the rest of the world is too stupid to catch on.

Sorry, but for personal reasons, these parents make me sick.

[katsy]

18. I can't ever put myself in their place ever.

It takes a lot of hard work to create a sociopath. It takes dedication.

Chew on that for a bit.

Brock's parents succeeded at turning out a sociopath. They did a fine job at it. Forgive some of us for really not being able to identify with these people specifically because of their lack of empathy for the victim.

[Laffy Kat]

19. Your OP is disturbing.

Although it is true that we are not responsible for the crimes of our children, in this case it is obvious, by the parents' own words and attitudes, that the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

[Ms. Toad]

20. I agree as to mom - but not dad.

The two letters are dramatically different - and my ounce of compassion covers mom blaming the consequences on the verdict, rather than her son's actions. I recognize a grieving, broken mom. She should have remained silent about the cause of the family's pain - or acknowledged it was his actions, not the verdict that caused them.

Dad turns my stomach.

[Nye Bevan]

21. I would appeal to the judge for mercy, yes.

But I would never, ever refer to a rape as "twenty minutes of action".

[Rex]

22. You want negative attention heaped onto your shoulders? What strange behavior.

Noted.

[Fla Dem]

23. Comments here and elswhere about the parents insensitive letters are not what's going to

destroy their lives forever. Their son's brutal sexual attack on a woman is what has destroyed all their lives forever.

[philosslayer]

24. It should destroy his

Not theirs. They committed no crime. Having a loutish opinion and being ridiculously insensitive isn't a crime.

[Fla Dem]

27. Their lives are ruined because of his crime. Their letters just showed their ignorance.

Their lives will never be the same. All his parents hopes and dreams have been trashed. Their relationships with friends, relatives, neighbors, co-workers will never be what they were. Family gatherings will always have this ugly shadow over them. Their "loutish opinions" only exacerbated the situation. Yes plead for your son, but they did not show one once of compassion for the woman. I might have some sympathy for them had they had any sympathy for her.

[Crunchy Frog]

37. When they make a public spectacle out of it,

they're choosing to accept the consequences. And the only "punishment" they're getting is people having opinions.

I'll save my pity for others more deserving.

[Takket]

25. The appeal for leniency is not the issue. It is the content of the appeal that is horribly

offensive.

[seabeyond]

26. They basically validated Brocks actions. I talked with my oldest son, that I had posed

the same question to myself. I would have to be on the young womans side who was abused. That I would love my son always. That he would have to experience the repercussions as much as that would break my heart.


No, I could not do what the parents did. Maybe, my son owning what he did, verbally and consciously expressing the wrong, a heartfilled apology to the young woman, and going out in the world conversing about the wrong of his action. How he will have to live with that part of him, all his life. Then maybe I could appeal leniency. But, not what the parents did in any circumstances. It would make me a horrible parent to my son. And a failure with fellow human beings. Then on top of what son did, I would have to live with my own lack of morals, integrity, compassion.

[Rex]

28. What bothers me the most is that there is no humility between the three of them.

None, nor any compassion toward the victim. That really bothers me.

[katsy]

31. You think they're bad?

Check out what brocks grandparents wrote.

http://mashable.com/2016/06/07/stanford-rapist-character-witnesses/#3CCjw3bosmqS

"grandparents wrote to Judge Aaron Persky as well.

“Brock is the only person being held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults," they wrote."

Yep. It took a village to create that little sociopath.

[Bettie]

34. Wow that is tone deaf

The sad thing is that if the young man were not an affluent white boy, there would be no outrage because he'd already be in prison, not heading for a few months in county jail.

[Humanist_Activist]

29. Given the father's letter, I wonder how many women he raped, fuck both of them...

they raised a degenerate, entitled rapist, and deserve not one ounce of sympathy.

[LaydeeBug]

30. Were I in their place, I'd surely APOLOGIZE for what that woman went through

They ought to familiarize themselves with the word *humility*.

They are assholes of the first degree and completely personify what is wrong with America today.

20 minutes of *action*. Really?

[Bettie]

32. I am a mother to three sons

Two of my boys are teenagers and one is only 7.

I can guarantee that if any of my sons did anything like this, I would not stop loving them, but I would ensure that, as much as it might hurt to see, paid for what they had done.

Furthermore, I and my husband would be apologizing to their victim, not minimizing what had happened.

But, my boys have already in their lives learned that actions have consequences, perhaps not on such a huge scale, but they do understand that what they do is important, far more than what they say.

Both of them (the bigger ones) read the initial story and each asked me the same general questions about it. First, they wanted to know why someone who found an unconscious person wouldn't just call 911 for help. Then, they were confused as to why the father's letter didn't really seem as if he felt bad for the girl who was violated.

It isn't a lynch mob, it is disgust at their example of people who think rape isn't such a big deal if it is their boy doing the raping.

[Rex]

33. The lack of humility and the sad case of seeing it here too by some

is disturbing. Just an ounce of humility, I guess that is too much to ask for an unconscious rape victim. Never thought I would see that day. Disturbing.

[cwydro]

35. "20 minutes of action" is how the father referred to the rape.

Hurting parent, my arse.

[Butterbean]

36. ITA w/the PP. It's the cognitive disconnect displayed.

There is such a glaring lack of remorse or understanding that it's outrageous. This family honest to God believes that "drinking and promiscuity" are the root "causes" of this rape. Not their son raping. Truly. That's what they believe.

Even one of the moms of the Columbine killers had the guts to say she was sorry for what her kid did, and I had compassion for her.

Calling rape "20 minutes of action" is deplorable, and shows exactly where the poison in that boy's brain came from.

[Logical]

38. Read the dads letter then fucking self delete your post. Wow, clueless. nt

[justiceischeap]

39. I have a bit of first-hand experience in this kind of situation

Two of my older siblings are convicted felons--one of which, was convicted for sexual abuse against a minor. So, I have some experience in how my parents reacted when they learned their son had been convicted of such a crime. They didn't write letters asking for leniency because they knew their son deserved what he got. If the judge decided to throw the book at him because he already had a violent felony conviction on his record, they felt he deserved that, because he committed a crime. They didn't delude themselves into thinking their son was innocent when found guilty of the crime. They didn't twist themselves into pretzels trying to find a way to lay NO fault at his feet.

My other sibling was a drug addict (dead, finally, of a drug overdose). She was in and out of prison and my mother always forgave her and welcomed her home with open arms (which I didn't understand) but she never treated her as though she wasn't responsible for the crimes she committed.

So, having the perspective I have in my life, I cannot find one ounce of sympathy for the rapist, Brock Turner's parents. It seems quite obvious from their written statements that they felt their son has done nothing wrong. It totally smacks of "boys will be boys" or denial that their "perfect" son actually raped an unconscious woman, yet 12 jurors voted "guilty" a total of 36 times.

I've seen more compassion for this woman from total strangers on the Internet than I have from the perps parents. They shouldn't get a pass for that.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. This disturbing OP is of a piece with much of your other work on DU, there are recurring themes.

nt

[Odin2005]

41. Fuck them, they deserve all hate they get.

Their lives should be destroyed forever, they raised a psychopathic beast of a son and let this monster loose upon the would.

Fuck them. FUCK THEM. They deserve nothing but suffering and agony and pain. and anyone who has any ounce of sympathy for them are responsible for the perpetuation of the rape culture. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself and if I were an admin of this site I would have banned you for this disgusting post.

[TexasBushwhacker]

42. Parenting us hard

I can certainly see that their son's crimes have caused them pain and embarrassment. I'm sure they love their son. But good parents know that a child will not learn unless they suffer the full consequences of his actions. I think these parents gave their son too many second and third chances and that's why he ended up his way. But now, when he has committed multiple felonies, he has to pay the piper. They, and the judge, are doing this young man no favors by letting him off easy.

Parenting is hard.

[liberalhistorian]

43. As the mother of a son a few years older than Brock,

I HAVE "put myself in their place" and there is NO way that I would defend him or plead for mercy for him. I would be beyond disgusted an appalled and sickened and would want him to show remorse and a real understanding of why it was so wrong, and would want him to face up to his responsibility to be accountable and pay the price. I would be mortified and ashamed that he would even be capable of such a horrible crime, let alone feel entitled and "wronged". I would wonder what the hell I did so wrong. These parents have no shame, no introspection, no sense of decency or accountability. Demanding justice for such a horrendous crime is NOT being part of a "lynch mob."

[GeorgeGist]

45. "Twenty-minutes of action" ...

and you think you're insensitive?

[nini]

46. My nephew was a victim in a major crime here a few years ago.

I'm not going to go into what - but his life was at risk and it got a lot of press out here etc.. The guy that committed the crime was on trial and convicted. That guy's family made a point to apologize to my nephew and the others involved though they had no responsibility in what their relative did. My nephew completely understood the hell they were going through and felt for them since they were hurting too.

THAT is how you at least show compassion for the victims while worrying about your own. The fact they approached this as they were the victims is why they are getting ripped to shreds. They are not worthy of sympathy when they have no regard for anyone outside of their privileged bubble.

[Iggo]

52. I have as much compassion for his parents as they have for his victim.

Nothing more.

[stage left]

53. +1 nt

[AgadorSparticus]

54. The parents are assholes. Clueless assholes just like their son.

I am all about compassion, but in their pleading for leniency, not ONCE did they address the victim and what it would be like for her. It was described as "20 minutes of action". Not ONCE did they apologize for their son's repugnant actions. And not ONCE did they admit it was wrong. It was a skillfully written letter to side skirt the real issue of rape and paint it like it was "no big deal". They tried to humanize this monster with some crap about him not eating steak anymore. They contribute to the culture of rape. WHY should he get any leniency??? He is a rapist.

And you're right. Your post pisses me off because you are sympathetic to the abuser. Only this time, it is for the abuser's parents.You ask what I would do if it was my son?

If it was my son, I would be devastated. And my letter to the judge would sound vastly different. I would own it and apologize repeatedly to the victims and her family. You know why? Because that is the decent thing to do. You don't play it off like it was consensual, or that she deserves it, or whatever else excuse people use to blame the victim. In this case, the rapist's parents just beat up the victim with that bullshit plead of leniency and now you are feeling sorry for these entitled twats. F*ck that.

They deserve the public lynching. Every bit of it. Hell, they practically asked for it.

[DrewFlorida]

55. The first prerequisite for sympathy is honesty, the parents asked for sypathy for their son.........

while ignore his guilt, they called his heinous behavior "20 minutes of action". Sorry, they get no compassion from me until they acknowledge the truth of what their son did to that young lady! Enough with making excuses for violent behavior!