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50! (Original Post) hrmjustin Jun 2016 OP
OMG. Maven Jun 2016 #1
holy shit. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #2
Ugh. LisaM Jun 2016 #3
holy shit! boston bean Jun 2016 #4
Fuck melman Jun 2016 #5
... Tom_Foolery Jun 2016 #6
50? Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #7
They have melman Jun 2016 #8
OMFG!!!! Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #10
Yes. 50 dead and 53 wounded. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #9
The fucking horror of this!!! Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author TimeToEvolve Jun 2016 #16
Yes thank you. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #19
Yes, there are so many bodies that they haven't removed them all yet or identified all the victims. glowing Jun 2016 #15
One person with and assault rifle with a large capacity magazine Marrah_G Jun 2016 #71
Not one magazine..... several getagrip_already Jun 2016 #75
Mayor is declaring an emergency to deal with the event... JCMach1 Jun 2016 #11
Heartbreaking. GreenEyedLefty Jun 2016 #12
You should say 50 dead, 53 injured... glowing Jun 2016 #13
Doesn't take much with the cartridges holding that many bullets to be fired quickly. boston bean Jun 2016 #18
A lone gunman, I would think, could be over run by a group of people from behind or what not... glowing Jun 2016 #22
I can imagine mercuryblues Jun 2016 #49
Please don't assume elljay Jun 2016 #53
Dark place, people have been drinking, the element of surprise/shock. Not so easy to catbyte Jun 2016 #66
The wonders of large capacity magazines that are necessary to protect our freedumbs. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #21
103 people? Even in the Aurora movie theater shooting with a large clip, he didn't kill that many.. glowing Jun 2016 #27
It was a crowded small club. Also, people were apparently trapped in the bathroom. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #29
The Aurora movie theater shooter decided to use a high capacity drum magazine which jammed PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #69
That and a question malaise Jun 2016 #48
He had a security guard license so perhaps had some training in shooting. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #77
Your politicizing this tragedy is disgusting. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #91
And what of the right to live for the 50 people killed? mythology Jun 2016 #95
There's blood on your hands, pal. Darb Jun 2016 #99
Jesus, man. Try a little sensitivity. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #101
No one has the right to walk into a space and BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #103
It's time to take those rights. Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #109
I agree absolutely. Tumbulu Jun 2016 #135
LGBT people's entire lives are politicized. Saviolo Jun 2016 #121
AT THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE heaven05 Jun 2016 #82
Geebus. BootinUp Jun 2016 #17
Link with updated total BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #20
This makes me sick and octoberlib Jun 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author edhopper Jun 2016 #24
Mind boggling. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #25
I am crying Botany Jun 2016 #26
50 is a new record for mass shootings here in the US Gomez163 Jun 2016 #28
Assault rifles are offensive weapons and not defensive weapons. A "good" guy with a gun Trust Buster Jun 2016 #30
I have a Pulse. Je suis Charlie. Boston Strong. Remain Calm and Carry On. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #31
Jesus Fucking Christ.... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #32
terrorism yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #33
. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #34
... greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #35
This is horrific mcar Jun 2016 #36
Worst mass shooting in US history. NBC reports. BootinUp Jun 2016 #37
Dear God MoonRiver Jun 2016 #38
... BooScout Jun 2016 #39
OMG Gothmog Jun 2016 #40
I am very frightened Tribalceltic Jun 2016 #41
... NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #42
Unbelievable. DCBob Jun 2016 #43
Horrific. demmiblue Jun 2016 #44
Crying sheshe2 Jun 2016 #45
Awful Johnny2X2X Jun 2016 #46
Omg. What a horrible, senseless tragedy. Chemisse Jun 2016 #47
another nice graphic OKNancy Jun 2016 #50
... mikeargo Jun 2016 #51
Sad Sad Sad Laf.La.Dem. Jun 2016 #52
PLEASE Obama Kimberly1990219 Jun 2016 #54
PLEASE, SUPREME COURT...enough of this BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt MADem Jun 2016 #134
no words DesertRat Jun 2016 #55
... Lucinda Jun 2016 #56
Horrible. senz Jun 2016 #57
Its horrible. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #58
. Haveadream Jun 2016 #59
Horrific. alarimer Jun 2016 #60
Heartbreaking. Autumn Jun 2016 #61
OMG. No . No. No. SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #62
shared on fb. thanks. eom LittleGirl Jun 2016 #63
I don't know if TMZ is a reliable source elljay Jun 2016 #64
... Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #65
... William769 Jun 2016 #67
As an LGBT person in a queer family... Crash2Parties Jun 2016 #113
I happen to be part of the LGBT community. William769 Jun 2016 #118
Perfect response William WatchWhatISay Jun 2016 #132
Love sheshe2 Jun 2016 #146
I am an ally. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #147
... silverweb Jun 2016 #68
None of us are safe from this hatred. Loki Jun 2016 #70
.................................................. AwakeAtLast Jun 2016 #72
. mopinko Jun 2016 #73
There are no words. 50. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #74
k and r....nt Stuart G Jun 2016 #76
I have no words... Spazito Jun 2016 #78
So awful. smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #79
Orlando enid602 Jun 2016 #80
Sort of JennyMominFL Jun 2016 #115
^^That OriginalGeek Jun 2016 #145
my god. cyberswede Jun 2016 #81
... treestar Jun 2016 #83
Why? avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #84
No words, just tears and love and sorrow for the families. UtahLib Jun 2016 #85
My heart is breaking. wildeyed Jun 2016 #86
Tears just won't stop MFM008 Jun 2016 #87
My heart breaks again lunatica Jun 2016 #88
I feel sick-- no words n/t ailsagirl Jun 2016 #89
... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #90
No words. calimary Jun 2016 #92
Tears....We are what we are, where does this hate come from? Paper Roses Jun 2016 #93
Running out of tears... mountain grammy Jun 2016 #94
There is nothing random about this Jemmons Jun 2016 #96
^^^This^^^ -none Jun 2016 #127
So devastating. I'm so sorry to our LGBT community passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #97
Someone make it stop! TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #98
People went out to have fun. And then this. shenmue Jun 2016 #100
. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #102
... lunamagica Jun 2016 #104
Heartbeaking! brer cat Jun 2016 #105
When something like this happens, all of us die a little inside. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #106
[*] Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #107
Just another record to be broken at this point. Dalziel3979 Jun 2016 #108
Just horrific... liberalla Jun 2016 #110
oh no omg BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #111
50 Too Many Fla Dem Jun 2016 #112
Absolutely heartbreaking. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #114
!!!! (candle) allan01 Jun 2016 #116
Love to all LGBT posters mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #117
Just learned of this horror! So sorry. stunned. montana_hazeleyes Jun 2016 #119
. TexasTowelie Jun 2016 #120
over 50 now. Bucky Jun 2016 #122
I just heard the news. IrishEyes Jun 2016 #123
... Solly Mack Jun 2016 #124
.. Cha Jun 2016 #125
So sad........ Beacool Jun 2016 #126
With great sadness.... femmocrat Jun 2016 #128
... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #129
So sad susanr516 Jun 2016 #130
horrible so sad LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #131
Heart ache. nt MADem Jun 2016 #133
My friend with the transgender son called me to share her heartbreak... Hekate Jun 2016 #136
.. Liberal_in_LA Jun 2016 #137
hate+crazy+automatic weapons=tragedy NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #138
... stage left Jun 2016 #139
. . . . niyad Jun 2016 #140
My heart aches and will for a long time. mimi85 Jun 2016 #141
Keeping you in our hearts Peacetrain Jun 2016 #142
Escalators in Stockholm passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #143
another psycho-loser decides he's a terrorist Bill USA Jun 2016 #144

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #9)

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
15. Yes, there are so many bodies that they haven't removed them all yet or identified all the victims.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jun 2016

AND I honestly cannot believe that it was one gunman...

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
71. One person with and assault rifle with a large capacity magazine
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jun 2016

I can easily see this being one person in a packed space.

getagrip_already

(14,647 posts)
75. Not one magazine..... several
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jun 2016

Think of the logistics. If every person was shot just once with no misses, that's 103 bullets. More likely he fired over 300 rounds.

He had to change clips over and over.

That was one sick fuck.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
13. You should say 50 dead, 53 injured...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jun 2016

I can't believe this is the action of one gunman acting alone. How did one person attack 103 people in this manner? ARE they really sure it was the action of a lone gunman?

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
22. A lone gunman, I would think, could be over run by a group of people from behind or what not...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

Maybe they don't want panic, but why declare state of emergency if the lone gunman is dead?

mercuryblues

(14,525 posts)
49. I can imagine
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jun 2016

the vast amount of resources needed to handle the aftermath of something like this. It will leave many agencies short handed. SoE can open up federal resources to help with this.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
53. Please don't assume
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016

When you are not in a situation like this yourself, you cannot predict how you would act. Dark, crowded club, loud music and everyone dancing and drinking, then suddenly bullets flying, people screaming and falling. Not very easy to even see what is happening, let alone to plot charging at the shooter. This could have been one well-armed single shooter, but the police are being prudent by declaring a state of emergency until they have had a chance to do some investigation.

catbyte

(34,341 posts)
66. Dark place, people have been drinking, the element of surprise/shock. Not so easy to
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jun 2016

subdue the perp. He waited until almost closing time when people were drunk and tired. Just a horrific thing.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
27. 103 people? Even in the Aurora movie theater shooting with a large clip, he didn't kill that many..
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

AND with only one, and a large group of people, would he not have been over run from behind. I think there were probably more than 1 person acting in this case. I guess its an active investigation, but why state of emergency if the lone gunman is dead?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
29. It was a crowded small club. Also, people were apparently trapped in the bathroom.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

There is a video from outside posted on liveleak. You can hear the rapid fire.

I won't link to that site.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
91. Your politicizing this tragedy is disgusting.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Authoritarians never let a good tragedy go to waste to scare people into giving up their rights.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
95. And what of the right to live for the 50 people killed?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

Apparently they don't matter, or at least don't matter than some minor restriction that wouldn't actually bar anybody from owning a gun.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
103. No one has the right to walk into a space and
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

murder people with an assault weapon. Or by any other means. Period.

NO. ONE.

If that makes me an authoritarian, then I proudly own to being one.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
109. It's time to take those rights.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016

We have so many laws to protect us, fireworks, pot, liquids on a plane.... I could go on endlessly.

We are not responsible enough to be allowed to own any firearm for any purpose any longer. It's time to protect the public from a few bad apples. I'm sorry everyone has to lose their toys to make that happen.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
135. I agree absolutely.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jun 2016

I am not sorry that anyone will lose a gun, Iw ant them all gone. No matter how long it takes.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
121. LGBT people's entire lives are politicized.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jun 2016

The right wing has politicized trans people going to bathrooms.
The right wing has politicized gay people having housing and being fired from their jobs.
The right wing has politicized gay people getting married.
The right wing has politicized gay people being able to serve, fight, and die for their country.

Don't you dare tell us we can't politicized our deaths if the right wing is going to politicize everything else about LGBT people.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
82. AT THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

and the ensuing chaos, MOST people start runnung AWAY from the perceived shooter. This sick POS, now dead, had free reign with large capacity magazines at his disposal. I can understand why the death/injured toll is so large. They are still not sure of the final toll is my understanding.

Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
30. Assault rifles are offensive weapons and not defensive weapons. A "good" guy with a gun
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

doesn't stand a chance.

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
46. Awful
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

This apparently was a hate crime as this guy made some comments about gays kissing in public in front of his son. Just sickening.

And to people saying the crowd should have overpowered a single shooter. You've never been shot at, these people were terrified and it was total chaos. They likely had no idea where the shots were coming from. People had to be panicking and hiding.

Kimberly1990219

(24 posts)
54. PLEASE Obama
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

You don't have to worry about re-election! Put your foot down! Civilians should not have ASSAULT RIFLES, or automatic weapons PERIOD! DO SOMETHING!

elljay

(1,178 posts)
64. I don't know if TMZ is a reliable source
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016

but they are reporting that the murderer was a possibly radicalized Muslim who became outraged at seeing two men kissing. So, looking like at a minimum like an anti-gay hate crime, the religious component tbd.

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/06/12/terrorist-omar-mateen-gay-nightclub-murder/

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
113. As an LGBT person in a queer family...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jun 2016

I appreciate the sentiment. However, it was "prayer" that inspired the murderer in the first place.

Please, right now that sort of subtle proselytizing is not appreciated by all. Especially those of us who have been continuously attacked by organized, political, "prayerful" religious extremists over the last few years, but especially since the GOP's anti-trans/anti-LGBT resolution in January.

William769

(55,144 posts)
118. I happen to be part of the LGBT community.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

I also happen to be a person of faith as do so many others in the LGBT community.

I don't go after the non faithful and I do not appreciate you going after the faithful especially in this thread.

Painting with that broad brush you have is counter productive to everything in life.

Peace.

sheshe2

(83,663 posts)
147. I am an ally.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

I stopped praying a very long time ago. Various reasons.

Do not condensed to those that believe. Not all with religious beliefs are bad. Do not judge William. You do not know him. You do not know him yet attack him. Wow!

enid602

(8,597 posts)
80. Orlando
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

The population of Orlando is 238,000. Almost everyone must be related to, know or be somehow connected with one of the dead or hurt.

JennyMominFL

(218 posts)
115. Sort of
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

The population is much higher. the "City of Orlando" which is where that number comes from, only contains the small section of downtown. Most live in unincorporated Orlando. I have an Orlando address, however, since I live in unincorporated orlando, I don't get counted in that total. The orlando metro is over 2 million, and the population of urban Orlando is 1.1 million. There are 61,000 alone in my unincorporated zipcode. We are all heartbroken.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
145. ^^That
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

And Welcome to DU JennyMominFL. Sorry it's during this terrible time.


(I've lived in unincorporated Orange county for 30+ years. My wife has for close to 60)


so yeah, there's a lot of Orlandoans. I'm just glad that my friends weren't there that night.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
86. My heart is breaking.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

I don't even know how to ask "why?" anymore because I have asked that question so many times. Why do we allow this gun violence to continue? WHY?

Paper Roses

(7,471 posts)
93. Tears....We are what we are, where does this hate come from?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

I am sick reading about this, as is everyone else except those with hate in their hearts and guns in their hands.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
96. There is nothing random about this
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jun 2016

Squeeze people. Pour hate all over. Ad some guns. Sqeeze everybody some more. Talk the hate up. Ad some more guns. Ad some bigger guns. Now ad some more hate. Then sqeeze people some more. Wait for the blood to flow.

-none

(1,884 posts)
127. ^^^This^^^
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jun 2016

I have plenty of words, but would most likely be attacked for posting them. But you have it exactly correct.
And this election is a setup to make things even worse in the future than than they are now.

But I will say...

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy


We kill people with impunity in other countries, then wonder why it is happening more frequently here too? Really? Really now? Why the disconnect with so many?

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
106. When something like this happens, all of us die a little inside.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016

I'm so very, very sorry for all the families of all the dead and the survivors in hospital fighting for their lives. The pain, well, my wife and I both shed quite a few tears this morning because of this horror.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
116. !!!! (candle)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016
i am christian, i am biting my tounge to not say nasty mean or hateful things on my side but to treat it with love . please note to some people on this board, when we offer prayors to,,,, we are offering them to the family units that who were left behind. I AM SO SICK OF GUNNS GUNS GUNS GUNS . as someone said SCREW THE NRA. i just walked away f rom a right wing friend of mine on skype so i wouldnt say bad things .

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
123. I just heard the news.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jun 2016

I can't believe it. I took the day off from the news and social media. Another horrible senseless tragedy.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
136. My friend with the transgender son called me to share her heartbreak...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:52 AM
Jun 2016

He's in Wisconsin, but this hits close to home.

.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
141. My heart aches and will for a long time.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

When we ever stop the NRA from buying politicians?? NVM, I'm afraid I know the answer.

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