Anti-Gay hate crime. NOT Islamic terrorism

[philosslayer]

The statement from the killers father provides a much clearer view into motivation. Heartbreaking and terrifying.

[MadBadger]

1. Why not both?

His hatred of gays could be rooted in his religion.

[still_one]

6. I agree, it is both

[4139]

2. Link? At work, hard for me to search stuff

[csziggy]

20. Orlando Nightclub Shooting: Mass Casualties After Gunman Opens Fire in Gay Club

<SNIP>

The shooter was identified by several law enforcement sources as Omar Mateen.

He was shot dead about three hours later when a SWAT team entered the club, police said.

The law enforcement sources told NBC News that Mateen was born in New York in 1986 and was listed as living at a residence in Port St. Lucie, about 125 miles south of Orlando.

The incident is being investigated as an act of terrorism, officials said.

Mir Seddique, Mateen's father told NBC News, "this has nothing to do with religion." Seddique said his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thinks that may be related to the shooting.

More: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446

Emphasis added by me.

[4139]

37. Thank

[still_one]

3. It is both. Fundamentalist religious had a big part in this

[Ace Rothstein]

4. The two are likely not mutually exclusive.

[JCMach1]

5. too early to say...

[virgogal]

7. I would hardly call the killer's father a neutral source of information.

[cali]

8. we simply do not know whether this was inspired in any way by Islamic terrorism

No doubt it was an anti-gay hate crime. Beyond that we simply don't know, and his father's statement is hardly defining evidence.

Have you any decency? 50 people are dead. Your obsession to prove that it's not Radical Islamic terrorism is just... ugh.

We do not know. We don't have enough to speculate.

I mourn the dead, the injured and their families.

[cwydro]

17. Thank you cali.

Well said.

[cali]

25. thanks. I am just sick with the grief of this.

[Iggo]

45. You're right. We don't know yet if his homophobia was fueled by religion.

Gay hater?

Gun fucker?

Religious maniac?

We don't know yet.

[HassleCat]

9. Seems like both to me. (eom)

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. "Didn't even happen" - families of 9/11 hijackers nt

[NutmegYankee]

11. If the perpetrator was Christian, we would call it Christian Terrorism.

It can be both. Why does this person hold anti-gay views?

[JustinL]

39. The media wouldn't. Politicians wouldn't. n/t

[linuxman]

12. Thoughts on the comments from the Stanford rapists parent?

You know, since parents of monsters are my trusted go to for facts about their sweet little babies. ..

[Bluenorthwest]

13. The father engaged in blaming the victim's own communituy for existing, and it's Islamic anti gay

hate crime. The two things are not mutually exclusive and your desire to speak for the shooter and not for the victims is disgusting. Disgusting.

Let's not forget that ten Islamic countries execute LGBT under their death camp laws and philosophy. That's not terrorism it's just the way they practice Islam. They can't do that shit and also not be called out for it. How dare you even ask that?

[malaise]

23. He did not

he exposed his son's hatred of having his three year old son seeing two men kissing. In other words his son hated gays and had serious issues about others having equal rights.
The son was New York born and not a product of any of those ten countries- a New York home grown anti-gay murderer. Indeed he perpetrated the largest mass shooting in America.

[Dreamer Tatum]

29. Do you think you're convincing anyone?

I wonder if your position here is consistent with what you said a year ago re: Dylann Roof.

Spoiler alert: it isn't.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. That's saying 'he killed them because he saw them'. He's blaming the victims.

His parents are from Afghanistan, one of the most dangerous places in the world for LGBT. His father blames the gay community and his father probably taught his son to hate gay people, he did not say otherwise. The culture of the City of NY did not teach him to hate LGBT.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

14. You have never condemned radical Islam's hostility...

....towards the LGBT community. You deflect and refuse to address any of it. You are not a reliable person to be defining the narrative.

[Ace Rothstein]

15. That poster's excuse making after the NYE attacks in Germany were disgusting.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

16. The poster is here to sow discontent

Period.

[cali]

26. You are so right, Rhody. I wish i had enough sense to just ignore him.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. I am happy that you don't because lesser minds fall for his toxic messages.

He will be supported by several predictable posters. So it is good to take the time to challenge that poster. This same poster defended the parents of the Stanford rapist.

[uponit7771]

18. THANK YOU

[msanthrope]

19. Both. nt

[DashOneBravo]

21. Trash the thread

[JackintheGreen]

22. Terrorism has a necessarily political end

As long as we're painting with broad brushes, if the end was anti-gay, it's not "Islamic terrorism." Conflating the two is exactly what repubs will do. We're supposed to be smarter.

[NutmegYankee]

24. If the goal was to scare LGBT people "back into the closet", then it would be a political goal.

And in such a scenario, meet the FBI definition of terrorism.

[JackintheGreen]

30. I didn't suggest is wasn't terrorism

I suggested it might not be Islamic terrorism. I am sorry if that was unclear from my phrasing, but I did say "if the [political] end was anti-gay." I had hoped that was sufficient, but maybe not.

[NutmegYankee]

31. I didn't get that from the post. Thanks for the update!

[Trust Buster]

27. Not enough information is known at this time. Why is it necessary to rush to speculation ?

[auntpurl]

28. We don't know this either!

I just responded to another thread linking the shooter's homophobia to his religious and said we don't know yet. So I'll say the same thing here! He MIGHT have been an Islamic extremist.

[leftofcool]

32. How do you know it isn't both?

[PeaceNikki]

34. They are not mutually exclusive. It seems like both.

And it's important to discuss, expose, shame, and blame ideology which fuels such carnage.

[MellowDem]

36. Islam's holy texts...

explicitly promote hate, violence and bigotry of all kinds, including against homosexuals. That sort of religion will always be partially to blame for the culture it creates, whether anyone considers themselves "devout" or not.

[Lucinda]

38. Until we have information to the contrary, I think his fathers POV is the most valid one n/t

[Betty Karlson]

40. Correct. K&R

[forjusticethunders]

41. And here we go, people on the "Left"

excusing Radical Totalitarian Islam.

[mcar]

42. Media is doing a real disservice by jumping to

Islamic radical meme.

[YoungDemCA]

43. I don't hate Islam or Muslims but it's utterly disingenuous to not recognize its role in this

Many strains of Islam and the local cultures that are associated with it have long been troubling in their homophobia and general intolerance. And with the rapid growth of Saudi-exported Wahhabism, a vile religious ideology which instructs Muslims to kill all unbelievers, apostates, and anyone who sins against God through "sexual perversion" (read: gay people), this has only gotten worse.

That being said, Muslims certainly have no monopoly on hatred of and violence toward LGBT people, as we in the U.S. are all too aware of. But this particular case was clearly motivated by a hatred of gay people that was fundamentally driven by a particularly ugly aspect of Islam.

[sufrommich]

44. Why not both? nt

[Laha]

46. Obviously religious terrorism

Using a hate crime as its mode of expression. It is both.

I'm sick of how people try to defend the things that motivate these actions. As far as I am concerned they are just as sick as the people who pull the trigger because they are promoting an environment where another deranged person will just do it again.