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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:50 AM

Just heard the shooter was licensed to carry as a security guard.




I'm getting my info from a local Orlando TV station.


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Reply Just heard the shooter was licensed to carry as a security guard. (Original post)
lpbk2713 Jun 2016 OP
StarTrombone Jun 2016 #1
onehandle Jun 2016 #4
Post removed Jun 2016 #7
jack_krass Jun 2016 #47
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #5
Post removed Jun 2016 #8
Orrex Jun 2016 #22
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #6
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #10
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #11
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #12
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #13
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #15
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #18
HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #28
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #17
Rex Jun 2016 #25
Iggo Jun 2016 #41
onehandle Jun 2016 #2
linuxman Jun 2016 #14
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #16
linuxman Jun 2016 #19
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20
linuxman Jun 2016 #23
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #24
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #32
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #33
Calista241 Jun 2016 #35
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #37
Calista241 Jun 2016 #39
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #40
HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #36
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #38
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #43
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #44
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #46
Ms. Yertle Jun 2016 #3
Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #9
lpbk2713 Jun 2016 #21
roamer65 Jun 2016 #26
Bucky Jun 2016 #27
sarisataka Jun 2016 #29
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #31
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #30
HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #34
Darb Jun 2016 #42
LeftyMom Jun 2016 #45

Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:51 AM

1. He was also a registered democrat

 

And a muslim

Any connection there?

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Response to StarTrombone (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:54 AM

4. Guns is the key word.

That's the root problem.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:46 AM

47. Nope, the root problem is hatred and desire to kill, the gun is

 

Just a tool he chose to carry out his murderous intention.

This crime could *not* have occured without the root problem (desire to kill people)

This crime *could* have occured without guns, and may have been worse, for example ifna bomb was used.

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Response to StarTrombone (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:55 AM

5. Says the guy with a fucking gun as an avatar.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:24 AM

22. Wow. On DU for 2 months and already 4 hides.

Two of them in this very thread.

Hmm....

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Response to StarTrombone (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:56 AM

6. They already found his voter registration card?

Interesting.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:01 AM

10. I don't believe that for a second

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:08 AM

11. that he's a democrat? Me either.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:09 AM

12. +1, I don't see how they just went after his VR card

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:11 AM

13. I think that is a smear from some right wing rag.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:12 AM

15. Ah, typical for them...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:14 AM

18. although without any link, it may just be

coming from one posters imagination.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:57 PM

28. Media did a web search.

 

Gunman didn't have a criminal record, had a concealed weapon permit, and was registered to vote as a Democrat. Pretty common for reporters to look up all the background they can on a suspect.

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Response to StarTrombone (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:13 AM

17. where's the link for this assertion?

throwing out crap like that without being able to substantiate it is not the DU way.

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Response to StarTrombone (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:48 PM

25. Wrong you got that information off of a private con website just like the cons have been doing.

 

So enjoy your stay.

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Response to StarTrombone (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:50 PM

41. Got something against Democrats?

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:52 AM

2. Guns should be approved at a federal level, not a local level.

Time to crackdown on gun culture like we cracked down on the Confederate flag.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:11 AM

14. Please take a civics class.

 

Middle school entry level will suffice.

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Response to linuxman (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:13 AM

16. The civics class's I did take said that weapons DESIGNED for killing a LOT of people efficiently....

... shouldn't be allowed in the hands of the avg citizens.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:17 AM

19. Of course it did.

 



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Response to linuxman (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:19 AM

20. Good, we agree... bombs, mortars, wmds or ballistic weapons DESIGNED to kill a lot of people...

... shouldn't be allowed in the hands of the avg citizens

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:32 AM

23. Do you see any difference

 

In the mentioned area affect, indiscriminate, high explosive weaponry you mentioned, and a small caliber rifle which fires one bullet per pull of a trigger?

If not, I'm afraid we're too far apart on this to speak rationally. Been a gun guy my whole life, but I've never met a single person who advocated civilians posessing high explosives. It's a ridiculous strawman.

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Response to linuxman (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:34 AM

24. The design of the weapon IS to kill a lot of people efficiently... period... end of story

... that's a fact not in dispute.

Those weapons should NOT be allowed in the hands of the avg citizen

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:12 PM

32. Please explain...

...what attribute(s) of this rifle:




...enables you to "kill a lot of people efficiently" which is(are) not present on this rifle:



Inquiring minds....

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:24 PM

33. Magazine, ability to mod for automatic, Butt, fire more rounds faster etc etc...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:32 PM

35. The picture he shows, doesn't reflect the magazine on the bottom weapon.

That weapon is designed to have a magazine attach right in front of the trigger assembly.

In addition, neither one of those weapons can easily be altered for automatic fire. I suppose you could do it, but you'd have to be a metalworking genius, and have access to parts that are very tightly regulated by the ATF.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:45 PM

37. Strawman, I didn't say easily...The ar-15 can be... modded with OTS parts for bump fire the second..

... not so much.

I also named other attributes which most folk who are appologizing for these weapons ignore...

whatever

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:48 PM

39. I counter your strawman accusation with my own strawman accusation.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:49 PM

40. which is? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:32 PM

36. They are both semiautomatics.

 

Both function the same. One looks scarey, therefore should be banned.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:46 PM

38. good try, we're not LIVs and the overt logical fallacies are boring and quite as its kept ban them..

.. both if they are DESIGNED to be used in a way to kill a lot of people efficiently

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:09 PM

43. Don't get me wrong...

...this is an absolutely tragic and horrible crime. The people who commit these crimes are the one responsible. It leaves me hollow having some useless wretch destroy so many lives and then kill himself. There is no one to arrest or ask why or lock away and lose the key.

I get that when these miserably disgusting events happen, a common response is to look for causes and more people to hold responsible. IMO blaming the gun is just a distraction.

Both of those guns accept a magazine. AFAIK the Orlando dirt bag didn't use a full auto (modified or not) and they both fire at exactly the same rate. They both fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, one shot per pull.

Butt???

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:16 PM

44. Good, ban them both or at least make it harder for avg citizen to have like a grenade

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:25 AM

46. That's impractical and not an answer

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:54 AM

3. That is frightening n/t

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:00 AM

9. Sort of similar to Zimmerman..

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:19 AM

21. That Orlando TV station just showed an aerial shot at a blood bank.



They were supposed to be closed today by the line outside waiting to donate was hundreds easily.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:51 PM

26. He worked for a large security firm.

Gun control would have done nothing in this case. Even under a more restrictive system, he would have had access to significant weaponry.

Sounds like a failure of the federal background check system.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:55 PM

27. The killer was on a watch list and had been interrogated earlier by the FBI.

Gun control might have stopped this atrocity.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:59 PM

29. If he passed security checks

Despite being on Bush's list and FBI questioning, what gun control would have worked?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:00 PM

31. Good question

 

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Response to Bucky (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:59 PM

30. And the FBI

 

Declined to pursue as they did not have the evidence. You know the innocent until proven guilty then. I know that is minor to some.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:28 PM

34. The watch list is a joke. I have several friends on it for no reason whatsoever.

 

And unless he was convicted of a crime or had a domestic abuse related restraining order, he was legally permitted to own guns.
If his wife or other family had pressed charges or gotten a restraining order, his guns would have been removed. But they didn't.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:50 PM

42. That's right, he was a good guy.

 

You know the rest.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:57 PM

45. He had a regular concealed carry permit as well.

Florida. Sigh.

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