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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:28 PM

How rational societies respond to mass shootings.

Australia. Port Arthur massacre. Response: much tighter gun laws. Result: a lot less shootings.
UK. Dunblane massacre. Response: much tighter gun laws. Result: a lot less shootings.

US. Massacre after massacre. Response: nothing. Result: massacre after massacre.

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Response to YouDig (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

1. It is undeniable. Tighter gun laws reduce or end this kind of occurrence.

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Response to YouDig (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

2. The Second Amendment

 

I think only members of a well regulated militia should have access to firearms. "Well regulated" means overseen by the government in a way that weeds out the nut jobs. Unfortunately, the courts do not agree with me.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:42 PM

5. When the 2nd was written "well regulated" had nothing to do with being overseen by the government.

"The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected."

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Response to Waldorf (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:50 PM

8. Yes, we've heard these arguments 1000 times

I'm tired of gun-promoting people even though I own guns. Bye.

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Response to Waldorf (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:54 PM

9. Yes, good working order.

 

For a militia that means being comprised of sane people who will follow directions, not turn on their fellow citizens, etc. A militia cannot function if its members are a bunch of random "patriots" who believe the biggest threat is from their own government.

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Response to YouDig (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:35 PM

3. "Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs

 

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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Response to YouDig (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:38 PM

4. Just heard a guy on MSNBC say 134 this year alone

June 12, 2016. Not even halfway through the year and 134 mass shootings. I've said it before, I'll say it again; STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:44 PM

7. This gets definitional; Mother Jones found 72 mass shootings in the US since 1982

They mean things like this: largely random shootings of large groups of people, generally strangers to the shooter.

When people say "134 mass shootings this year" they include for example a brawl in the parking lot of a roadhouse where two bikers pull guns and shoot each other and one other person. Not that that's not bad, but it's not what people think when they say "mass shooting".

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Response to YouDig (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:42 PM

6. OTOH I'd rather we focused policy on the "normal" shootings that kill many more people

I get that you have to follow public engagement, and unfortunately it's mass shootings that do that, but if this is a "normal" day 60 people died from "normal" shootings (40 of them suicides) in addition to the 50 at the nightclub. I bring this up because the policies that might address the one problem might not address the other...

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Response to YouDig (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:58 PM

10. Yeah, fuck people's constitutional rights!

What other parts of the Bill of Rights do you want to take away to "keep us safe"?

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:05 PM

11. Fuck the "right" to have an assault rifle.

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