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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:36 PM

We should break off diplomatic relations with any country that has the death penalty for gay people.

Omar Mateen's was brought up by parents from a country (Afghanistan) that has capital punishment for homosexual behavior. What message does it send that the US is best buddies with (for example) Saudi Arabia which also regularly executes people for being gay? How will a country such as Saudi Arabia even be able to condemn the Orlando massacre with a straight face when all of the victims would probably have been subject to execution in that country? What are they going to say, "we condemn the fact that these people were killed, even though we think they all deserve to die"?

According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) seven countries still retain capital punishment for homosexual behavior: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, Sudan, and northern Nigeria.[67][68] In United Arab Emirates it is a capital offense.[69][11] In Qatar, Algeria, Uzbekistan, and the Maldives, homosexuality is punished with time in prison or a fine. This has led to controversy regarding Qatar, which is due to stage the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Human rights groups have questioned the awarding in 2010 of the right to host the competition, due to the possibility that gay football fans may be jailed. In response, Sepp Blatter, head of FIFA, joked that they would have to "refrain from sexual activity" while in Qatar. He later withdrew the remarks after condemnation from rights groups.[70]

In Egypt, openly gay men have been prosecuted under general public morality laws. (See Cairo 52.) In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexual acts is public execution, which is often carried out.[71] The government will sometimes use lesser punishments—for example, fines, time in prison, and whipping—as alternatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

Let's condemn and ostracize these countries as much as we possibly can. Perhaps if Saudi millionaires were not allowed to buy apartments in Manhattan as long as these brutal laws exist there would be more pressure for changing them.

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Reply We should break off diplomatic relations with any country that has the death penalty for gay people. (Original post)
Nye Bevan Jun 2016 OP
HassleCat Jun 2016 #1
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #3
Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #4
David__77 Jun 2016 #2
Lucky Luciano Jun 2016 #5
smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #6
HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #7
Mika Jun 2016 #10
Greybnk48 Jun 2016 #8
still_one Jun 2016 #9
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #11
alarimer Jun 2016 #12
get the red out Jun 2016 #13
GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #14
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #15
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #16

Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:41 PM

1. We should break off relations with any country with the death penalty for any crime.

 

Because what kind of unciviliz... oops. Never mind.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:45 PM

3. Beat me to it.

 

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:48 PM

4. One of the many reasons I hate that we have the death penalty

is that it reduces our moral authority on this kind of issue. Still, there is a big difference between executing murderers after 20 years of painstaking appeals and beheading people for being gay.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:43 PM

2. I think that not allying with them would be a good start.

I wouldn't support breaking diplomatic relations. I certainly don't think that should be called or treated as allies.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:53 PM

5. While we are at it, break ties with countries that arrest rape victims for "adultery."

Same countries more or less though.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:53 PM

6. I agree completely.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:53 AM

7. Break off heavy donors to the Clinton Foundation?

 

Like THAT will happen.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:03 AM

10. +infinity eom

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:53 AM

8. K&R

I agree 100%!

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:00 AM

9. We should, but it won't happen because of the oil. In a similar instance Jimmy Carter tried

something like this by boycotting the Olympics in Russia, and blocking the Russian wheat deal

It didn't work out because other countries refused to join in, and made those actions ineffective.

The same would most likely happen in this situation, but more amplified.

Most of the countries involved in that are the oil rich middle eastern countries. Unless a unified approach with the other countries could be obtained, breaking off diplomatic relations I suspect would not accomplish very much.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:06 AM

11. Outstanding idea.

 

We can scream all we want about access to firearms, etc...but we do business with nations in which lethal homophobia isn't just tolerated, it's institutionalized.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:14 AM

12. You think this will happen when we prop up dictatorships because they are useful?

We don't even dare criticize Saudi Arabia for its treatment of women, much less gay people.

Oh, a diplomat or Secretary of State or the President might make some kind of speech alluding to how we don't like how they treat people, but they won't actually criticize them openly because we need them to fight ISIS or whatever.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:21 AM

13. Agree completely

Very astute post.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:31 AM

14. Too right.

Time to boycott, ostracise and interdict.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:37 AM

15. They would run your ass out of DC on a rail if you were a Very Serious Person

Of course no Very Serious Person would ever say that so the likelihood of it happening is nil.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:43 PM

16. kick

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