List of Major Gun Control Advocacy Groups.

[Gomez163]

Americans for Responsible Solutions http://americansforresponsiblesolutions.org/

Violence Policy Center http://www.vpc.org/

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence http://csgv.org/

The Brady Campaign http://www.bradycampaign.org/

Everytown for Gun Safety http://everytown.org/

[calimary]

1. Thank you.

Everytown for Gun Safety also includes Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

http://momsdemandaction.org

[Kang Colby]

2. Florida bans guns in clubs/bars.

Obviously, gun control just isn't the answer.

[Gomez163]

3. Banning the AR-15 would have worked

[Kang Colby]

5. Like in France?

Florida needs to repeal its ban on guns in clubs/bars for licensed carriers.

[Duckhunter935]

7. Do you confiscate the millions out there now?

What about all other semi-automatic weapons?

[Gomez163]

8. I would offer a generous gun buyback program

[Duckhunter935]

11. Cost many billions of dollars

What happens if a person does not want to participate?

[Gomez163]

12. There are 300 million guns in the US. Lets working on reducing that first.

before worrying about the few who resist.

[Duckhunter935]

15. It will be more than a few

Check out the New York and Connecticut compliance rates.

[Gomez163]

16. We need to get off the dime. Why isn't this a problem in other countries??

[Duckhunter935]

20. Does that include suicides

And police officer involved shootings?

[Gomez163]

22. No. Gun murders. See? I'm two steps ahead of you.

[Duckhunter935]

27. Source of that please as

The chart does not specify

[Gomez163]

30. https://www.unodc.org/

[Duckhunter935]

32. Its a big site, where is this study found

or did you just do a google image search?

[Gomez163]

34. I got it from Twitter

[Duckhunter935]

36. so you have not researched or read the study?

I would like to read it myself.

[Gomez163]

38. Here you go. warning pdf

https://www.unodc.org/documents/firearms-protocol/UNODC_Study_on_Firearms_WEB.pdf

[Duckhunter935]

43. That picture is not in there

and it does not cover murders. Please try again. Lots about seizures.

[Gomez163]

44. You can do this too. Try this one

https://www.unodc.org/gsh/

[Gomez163]

45. Or here

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

[Duckhunter935]

51. interesting

The key facts are:

• The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people
• But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people
• Puerto Rico tops the world's table for firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides - 94.8%. It's followed by Sierra Leone in Africa and Saint Kitts and Nevis in the Caribbean

[Travis_0004]

21. Just like the great success that prohibition was?

[Gomez163]

24. Gun control works in other countries. See below

[Travis_0004]

26. It works great in Chicago

[Gomez163]

28. Don't change the subject. Country by Country.

[Travis_0004]

29. So gun control works. Except when it doesn't.

[Gomez163]

31. Gun control has never been tried here like in other countries.

Why does it work there??

[Duckhunter935]

33. different cultures for one

Japan has a much higher suicide rate

[Gomez163]

35. That doesn't explain the wide disparity. Nor is it something to tolerate.

[Duckhunter935]

37. I am curious on how the study was done and

how. Have you researched and read it?

[aikoaiko]

39. Not really. CT banned Assault Weapons, but the Lanza AR-15 was compliant

The proposed Assault Weapons Ban that would have prohibited the Lanza AR-15 would have been defeated by replacing the grip with a weird grip for $30.

None of these mass shooters are going so say to themselves, "Oh I really want to shoot up a place and the people in it, but because I don't have the AR-15 with a decent grip or bayonet lug I won't do it."

[Orrex]

18. Except that we have no gun control

Perhaps if we had actual gun control, you'd be in a position to declare that "gun control just isn't the answer." Instead we have a wide range of laws that have little impact on the proliferation of guns, while we have a multi-billion dollar gun lobby working 24/7 to increase their profits with the help of their eager propagandists in congress and elsewhere--even here on DU.

It would be terrific to see actual gun control, but thanks to those well-funded efforts, we see nothing of the sort.

[Duckhunter935]

23. Yes those thousands of existing laws

Mean nothing, let's add more that will not be enforced.

[Gomez163]

41. Because people like you water them down.

[Duckhunter935]

46. not really

see the NY SAFE act. It was written by idiots that do not know how weapons work and some people just love cosmetic bans. Same for Feinstein's bans.

[Gomez163]

47. I'm for what works. I'm for adopting what has worked in other countries.

It is really not that difficult. All it takes is a national will.

[Duckhunter935]

4. So what gun control laws

Do you want?

[Gomez163]

6. The one proposed in 2013 for starters.

And possibly a gun buyback program like they had in Australia.

[Duckhunter935]

9. You mean confiscation

It was not really a buy back. And the 2013 law would have done nothing.

[Gomez163]

10. If it would have done "nothing" then why be against it?

[Duckhunter935]

13. I have nothing against UBC

I do have an issue with cosmetic bans. It now appears this person was fully licensed and had background checks done on him as it appears he worked as a security guard.

[Gomez163]

14. And he had an AR-15

[Duckhunter935]

17. Yes, a standard civilian model

Semi-automatic rifle. Operates the same as any other semi-automatic rifle or pistol, one pull of the trigger and one round fires.

[Gomez163]

19. If it can kill 50 and injure another 53 its too dangerous to be on the street.

I'm not going to get into parsing out how the ban works. I would be more practical.

Why do you need a gun like that?

[Duckhunter935]

25. At least be consistent

Be for a ban on all semi-automatic, lever action and pump action weapons.

[Gomez163]

40. Give me what Japan and the Uk have

[Duckhunter935]

48. how do you confiscate the 300+ million weapons

and deal with the pesky 2nd amendment they do not have?

[Gomez163]

49. Voluntary gun buyback. Then confiscate the stragglers after a deadline.

Allow one hand gun and one rifle for hunting.

[Duckhunter935]

52. so you would pay full market value for all weapons?

[Gomez163]

53. I dont know how to price it. Smarter people than me can do that.

[Duckhunter935]

55. You would have to do that to be legal

And pass Constitutional muster

[Nancyswidower]

54. So..it isn't really voluntary. It's really confiscation.

I'm just trying to clarify your view because you said.."Then confiscate the stragglers after a deadline."
How is that done within the Constitutional protections?

[Duckhunter935]

56. Great ideas until legalities get involved

Yes it is confiscation and they just do not want to say it. Bet that poster gets real quiet when these questions get asked

[Gomez163]

58. I was getting a meat ball sub.

I'm agreeing to leave a hand gun and a rifle. I would also put chips in them.

[Duckhunter935]

59. What kind of hand gun and rifle?

What powers the chips? What do you do with the 300+ million already out in civilian hands?

[Gomez163]

60. Locally regulated.

[Duckhunter935]

61. As it is now

[Gomez163]

62. By the sheriff.

[Nancyswidower]

64. But the freak lived in a different county than where the attack occured

Sheriff of Orlando County....is different than the Sheriff of St. Lucie County

[Nancyswidower]

63. I'm kind of new to posting(lurked for yrs but....) so I tread lightly....but if

Gomez had a valid point, my question would be...this freak passed NICS chks to be a security guard for a Company with Fed contracts...how does his/her proposal stop what happened in Orlando...

[Duckhunter935]

65. Probably would not have

[Nancyswidower]

66. Not probably...it wouldn't have.

[rockfordfile]

42. It's the gun culture

Typical loser gun nuts with religious extremism. Gun nuts always think at some pint in time that to solve their anger is to go out and shoot something.

The NRA is a far right group that hates America. It's looking after its own skin.

[etherealtruth]

50. K&R

[Gidney N Cloyd]

57. Interesting that we can't even share a few links like these without the thread getting highjacked.

[Gomez163]

68. I want your Cubs to win this year. And I'm a Pirate fan. Go Cubs.

[SwankyXomb]

69. The gun murder apologists will do anything to protect the precious

[CBHagman]

67. Thank you for starting this thread...

...and for keeping focused.