Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report .

[Shemp Howard]

This WFTV report is recent, from April 6, 2016. The YouTube link is making the rounds on social media now. How do we combat this kind of thinking? And how do we do it without turning citizen against citizen?

I have no solutions.

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[David__77]

1. I was about to post this.

This ideology must be wiped out, completely. There should be no more space for this than there is for Nazis. Progressives should mobilize against these Islamic scholars and, if not citizens, advocate for their removal from this country.

[840high]

53. Me 2

[Southerncomfy]

2. This is exactly what I said before, they hate LGBT's more than Christians do. THe solution is for

NORMAL non-radical Muslims to stand-up and police their own community. That's all I got.

[TimeToEvolve]

5. christians hate gays just as much as islams

google pastor steve anderson

[Southerncomfy]

7. To a point, but the language of SOME muslims go much further like the speaker in the video.

[David__77]

9. Well, last night, it wasn't a Christian who killed people in a gay bar in Orlando.

I could care less about hate. I care about people being shot or bombed or otherwise killed or injured.

[Liberal_in_LA]

43. Gay bashings have been occuring for decades...not related to islam

[David__77]

46. And where there are groups advocating annihilation of homosexuals, they should be opposed.

I don't understand why progressive-minded people would want to somehow divert attention from what these groups are and their actions and responsibility. It occurs to me as if that is what some people mean to do - divert attention.

[One_Life_To_Give]

22. WBC gets alot revulsion from mainstream xtians

Don't know that I hear certain Imam's getting lampooned in the same way as Fred Phelps.

[JustinL]

24. but would they get the same amount of revulsion if they didn't say "Thank God for dead soldiers"?

If all they had said was "God hates fags", would they have gotten the same amount of attention? Would the bikers have counter-protested them then?

[One_Life_To_Give]

26. Military protest may be claim to fame. But they are reviled and lampooned

But they are reviled and lampooned for their crazy antics protesting LGBT.

On edit maybe I missed a Mosque posting their version of this classic ad

[JI7]

59. the fact is many don't like Westboro because they picket just about anyone

When it was mainly gays being targeted many did not care .

[redstateblues]

28. My church is 1/2 LGBT here in TN. Gays are our brothers and sisters

The broad brush does not apply.

[Chuuku Davis]

42. Pretty sure none of the Christian

Churches here have called for killing gays

[Chakab]

58. ...

[840high]

54. We don't advocate killing gays.

[mr clean]

8. I hear you, but where are they?

They are around, but they should have stood a long time ago when they were about to become radical...

[David__77]

16. I think it's a tiny group that will advocate for legal and social tolerance for homosexuals.

Some might oppose it because the killings weren't formally sanctioned by a Sharia court.

That said, I'm sure there are some Muslims who have a very different theology that I would consider progressive or at least not downright anti-human.

[metroins]

29. One of our best friends is Muslim

Extremely progressive. A champion for children.

I've hired Muslims, worked with them, engaged strangers in long random debates about how Mohammad isn't a prophet. I've never actually met a mean or right wing Muslim. Nevermind, I met a Pakistani man who was into conspiracy theories and right wing Muslim.

I think using the word "some" should be "the majority living in the USA".

Something has to be done about the minority radicals

[David__77]

30. I don't know with any precision the degree of magnitude.

I also understand that there are plenty of secular Muslims who do not even go to mosque.

What I'm not aware of is a substantial group of Islamic scholars or organizations that actively advocate for reform of Islam, repudiating those tenets that include execution of homosexuals.

[metroins]

32. The people I know condemn it, but also ignore it

In the conversations I've had, they don't think ISIL members are Muslims and do not represent them.

They also don't speak out though, I think they're afraid.

Heck, I don't really want to speak out.

[IamTheNoodle]

13. They seem unwilling or unable

You see mass outrage when Mohemmead is placed in a cartoon, but not so Much when mass killings occur in the name of him. I will not be tolerant of any religion that is stuck in the dark ages that calls for harm or oppression of any human.

[Duckhunter935]

3. Yep, this hatred will be drowned out

So sad

[Eleanors38]

18. Some people's hatreds are more equal than other's.

[Lint Head]

4. And this?

Christian Pastor Says Gays 'Worthy Of Death' At Conference With 3 GOP Presidential Candidates

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

[David__77]

10. While I don't know this to be the case...

I take your post as somehow intended to convey something like "see, Christians and Muslims both advocate killing gays - this isn't a Muslim problem only!"

Last night, it was a Muslim who killed people at a gay bar - it was not a Christian who performed that act.

[Lint Head]

19. Not "all" Christians want to kill gays. But apparently some do.

Not "all" Muslims want to kill gays. But apparently some do. That is my point.

[Shemp Howard]

17. Words have power.

That pastor should, of course, be denounced for what he said. Just as the that imam should be denounced.

But it wouldn't matter. That pastor will just go back to his church, and continue to preach hatred. And that imam will just go back to his mosque, and continue to preach hatred.

How do we combat that? Should we put more restrictions on the First Amendment? Yesterday I would have said no. Today, I'm not so sure.

[JustinL]

23. then why did you share the video?

If he shouldn't be free to say what he said, then it seems to follow that you shouldn't be free to give his words a wider audience.

[Shemp Howard]

33. It was not an easy decision.

The cleric's comments sickened me, and disheartened me.

But those comments seem to be an important piece of the puzzle, as they were made at a mosque in Orlando. So I decided to post the video. I'm still not sure if I made the right decision.

[6chars]

51. an important piece of the puzzle

Could well be. Not in the sense that this is what Muslims think, but in the sense that someone has been poisoning minds of a number of Muslims (I am thinking of the small number who have become active criminal religious extremists) in the US and this is part of that.

[linuxman]

20. Ah yes.

Who will ever forget the immortal massacre that followed...

Oh shit. What was the name of the record braking act of terrorism that followed his speech again?

Keep on conflating.

[840high]

55. .that^

[shadowrider]

6. Whew

I'm glad the Orlando shooting had nothing to do with Islam and was purely a hate crime. I read that right here on DU.

Wait, nevermind.

[napkinz]

11. Pastor Kevin Swanson: Kill The Gays!

[Shemp Howard]

21. See my post #17.

[cannabis_flower]

12. This was posted on YouTube a while background

There are comments over two months old. This guy should be charged with something. He might have even been the one that encouraged the shooter.

I remember reading that after the Rwandan massacre there was a radio announcer who was convicted of crimes related to it because he called Tutsis cockroaches and encouraged people to kill them on the radio.

[JCMach1]

36. If he is a US Resident (i.e. non-citizen), he should be deported... full-stop

We have enough crazies to deal with without adding any bonus ones...

Why are we giving VISAs to people like this... :grrr:

[Dalziel3979]

14. All these Abrahamic death cults are just different sides of the same rancid dog turd.

I don't even bother distinguishing between them anymore.

[Dalziel3979]

38. Yeah, sure

You know nothing about me, but 50 people like me were killed today just because our existence was considered such an affront to the sensibilities of that poor offended gunman, but yeah voicing my anger and contempt for the extremist religious ideologies and sects that enable and justify the actions of the likes of him means I'm the bigot. I respect people's right to practice whatever beliefs they wish privately and peacefully, but I'm under no obligation to have any respect for those beliefs in themselves, especially not after today.

[cannabis_flower]

48. If your Abrahamic religion is not a death cult

then he was not referring to your religion.

[MellowDem]

49. Your post is an example of privilege...

Religious privilege specifically. Religions are ideas. Calling an idea a death cult isn't bigoted.

If you want an example of bigotry, you'll find plenty in the Abrahamic texts. That's going to open them up to criticism on a progressive board.

The only one who should be ashamed of themselves is you, IMHO. Check your privilege before you speak next time, much less alert on a post.

[MellowDem]

63. Judaism and Islam are belief systems...

and it's obvious that the poster was addressing them (and all Abrahamic faiths) as such.

Both Judaism and Islam are explicitly bigoted in their holy texts.

That is the followers' of these belief systems problem to deal with, and one that will never go away.

Many believers want to pretend they don't have to deal with the terrible things their holy texts promotes while identifying with the belief system. That is religious privilege.

Trying to shut down any criticism of these hugely influential belief systems with their explicit bigotry because some people identify with them ethnically as well is disingenuous, to say the least, and really despicable defense of power and privilege, to say the most.

[MellowDem]

68. Everything has ethnic and cultural components...

so what? Conservatism does, but we don't stop criticizing it because it has other components than just an ideology. Your tactics are dishonest and obvious.

If you want an idea on what Muslims believe outside of just how they identify, look here:

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

For Jordan, a whole lot support stoning adulterers and death for leaving Islam, which sounds like a death cult to me. No figures on Iran, but it's besides the point.

The point is, those positions are supported textually within Islam, so no matter what an individual Muslim may believe, their texts say heinous, death cultish shit.

[MellowDem]

72. I agree with you there...

Religion is usually only one factor, but it is an important one, and kinda like how guns are viewed in the US, but even more so, the problem is never talked about because it's deemed "sacrosanct" that all mainstream religions are hunky dory.

[roamer65]

37. Sad, but true.

Jesus preached a lesson of love and tolerance. Many have perverted that message.

[6chars]

39. silly

[exboyfil]

15. That Islamic Center has right to ask anyone to speak

but I got to think things are going to get very interesting for them going forward.

Here is a Youtube of his entire talk. I would prefer to find a transcript as I won't listen to over an hour discussion.

[exboyfil]

67. From the Islamic Center website

Members of Husseini Islamic Center (HIC), stand united with our fellow Americans in categorically condemning this attack. We share the grief and sorrow of the nation and stand united with the Centeral Florida community and City of Orlando. Our heartfelt condolences and paryers go out to the families and loved ones who are victims of this tragedy.

I have no problem with protesters gathering in front of this mosque and any Christian church that says their scriptures advocate harming or killing anyone.

http://orlandocenter.org/

They should screen their speakers better before inviting them.

[onecaliberal]

25. That kind of hate speech is a threat in my opinion.

They should be locked up.

[Dems to Win]

27. Close all Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosques in the US

Stop giving foreign Wahhabi clerics visas to come to the US.

This would be the minimum we should do to protect our citizens from Wahhabi 'Kill The Infidel' religion, imho.

Of course, as long as our government kow tows to the Saudis, no action will be taken.

[David__77]

31. I think this scholar is Shiite.

Unfortunately, the problem is not just that of Wahhabism.

[smirkymonkey]

41. I agree completely.

Wahhibism is a death cult.

[cali]

40. fuck that sick piece of shit

His dropping dead would be a blessing.

[backscatter712]

45. Christopher Hitchens was right. RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING.

[Prism]

47. This is Islamaphobia!

Not really. But when gay people speak out against this incarnation of that religion, that's what Sensible Liberals tell us.

How comes so racist, gays?!

So tired of this shit. So. Very. Tired.

[runaway hero]

50. Giving Trump everything he wants...

[KamaAina]

52. The shooter came from Port Saint Lucie, about 120 miles away.

That is not his mosque. If he even went to mosque.

[sgmcenroe]

57. The view is also had by numerous Christians

If anybody has been on line recently, they have seen numerous clips and posts and videos of "Christian" ministers calling for the same thing. It is all hate.

[David__77]

60. So what?

One could also say "murder is murder."

What's the point? This crime happens to be a crime of Islamist extremism. Somehow if it was a Christian I doubt you would be posting "Muslims do that too."

[Warren DeMontague]

61. We need to be honest, and not in denial that Fundamentalist Islam motivated this fucker.

Everybody wants to spin this with their particular blind spot in mind- the gunny gun crowd doesnt want to talk about easy access to high-powered weaponry, the homophobes don't want to talk about anti-LGBT hate, and people on our side may fall prey to the temptation to paper over the obvious connections to radical islam and, yes, terrorism.

[TheFrenchRazor]

62. expose it and condemn it, for starters. nt

[0rganism]

65. maybe time to revoke tax-exempt status for *any* "church" engaging in hate speech?

any church, any religion, any "non-profit" foundation that promotes this kind of crap, at least they could be taking part in paying for the cleanup of the consequences to society of their beliefs.

i don't care who it is or what the affiliation is. want to promote killing the infidels? want to preach killing women because of their choices in love and marriage? want to evangelize blowing up abortion clinics? get ready to pay some taxes. and not just tiny taxes on net profit, these should be motherfucking steep taxes on gross take.

maybe, just maybe, if it bites them in their fat wallets, the parasites who feed on hate will tone it the fuck down.

[LeftishBrit]

66. Scumbag.

[Separation]

69. Obviously we must blame Christians for what they did.

Seems to be the prevailing thought by a few users here on DU.

[Aerows]

71. And he must fuck off.

I'm tired of this bullshit.