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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:55 PM

In the USA, it is easier to purchase an AR-15 than it is to vote.

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Reply In the USA, it is easier to purchase an AR-15 than it is to vote. (Original post)
L. Coyote Jun 2016 OP
MH1 Jun 2016 #1
Quackers Jun 2016 #11
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #2
Hoyt Jun 2016 #8
beevul Jun 2016 #10
Hoyt Jun 2016 #12
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19
SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #25
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #27
beevul Jun 2016 #40
CincyDem Jun 2016 #13
beevul Jun 2016 #41
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #18
hughee99 Jun 2016 #3
Calista241 Jun 2016 #33
Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #4
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #17
Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #24
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26
Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #29
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #31
Quackers Jun 2016 #5
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #16
Calista241 Jun 2016 #35
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #36
PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #6
ileus Jun 2016 #7
Hoyt Jun 2016 #9
Indydem Jun 2016 #34
Hoyt Jun 2016 #38
Indydem Jun 2016 #39
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #15
uponit7771 Jun 2016 #14
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #21
Cryptoad Jun 2016 #22
Leontius Jun 2016 #23
CountAllVotes Jun 2016 #28
Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #30
Moostache Jun 2016 #32
Waldorf Jun 2016 #37
oberliner Jun 2016 #42

Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:56 PM

1. Funny how they're both Constitutional rights.

I guess some rights are more "right" than others.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:18 PM

11. I'm sorry to say that the above info is incorrect.

Below is a link to current ID requirements to vote. 17 states have no ID requirements at all.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

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Response to Quackers (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:31 PM

20. OK, that doesn't make it any better... it should be as easy to vote as it is to get a gun

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:59 PM

2. Wrong. You need ID to LEGALLY buy a gun

 

As well as a background check if buying from a dealer.

State laws require private sellers to verify the buyers age, state residency and not knowingly sell to a prohibited buyer

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:09 PM

8. If you buy from a dealer. But if you buy from the yahoo down the street or an occassional seller at

gun show, or out in parking lot -- don't need one, just a fistful of cash and fear or hatred to want a gun bad enough.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:18 PM

10. *Gasp* People are allowed to sell their private possessions.

 

As if its news.

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Response to beevul (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:48 PM

12. We are talking gunz here, not a washer/dryer. You gunners are a callous bunch.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:31 PM

19. +1, and then use almost every logical fallacy than can think of

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

25. So is a nuclear warhead a "private" purchase

if I buy it from an individual?
The Ammosexuals can only use logic if it fits the narrative.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:51 PM

27. +1

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:58 PM

40. Did someone say we weren't?

 

I didn't think so.

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Response to beevul (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:20 PM

13. You mean allowed to sell their killing machines.



Good to see that you're out working the company line across all the pro-sanity threads today.

And of course I also see you're well practiced in the art of reframing the discussion from the logical to the inane. Nobody suggested that individuals not be allowed to sell their private possessions (until you brought it up).

But since you did...I can sell my car with no interference from the government...new title to the new owner and voila, it's a done deal.

See how easy that was.

Have a nice day.

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:00 PM

41. "pro-sanity threads"

 

Is that what you call threads that blame pretty much everyone other than the shooter?


That's not what I'd call threads that do that, but each to their own I guess...

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Response to beevul (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:30 PM

18. red herring

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:00 PM

3. Every state in the US requires ID to vote?

I thought it was only the republican states that were pushing for voter ID laws, which they've done to suppress the minority vote. I'm surprised to find that all states have not only suggested them, but implemented them as well.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:40 PM

33. I think they're talking about proof of identification

in many places, you can show a bill with your address on it and be allowed to vote.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:02 PM

4. Not true

 

Federal law states that yoi can not sell a gun unless you are both residents of the same state.

My state law says the same thing. It also states that the seller is required to verify their age, and that they are a resident of the same state. Im not sure how you could do that without checking an ID.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:29 PM

17. Is there a law on HOW to verify age and recidency via private purchase? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:48 PM

24. Yes

 

No person shall:

When transferring any dangerous ordnance to another, negligently fail to require the transferee to exhibit such identification, license, or permit showing him to be authorized to acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant to section 2923.17 of the Revised Code

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

26. Is that for every state? looks like it just for Ohio... tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:54 PM

29. I didn't make the chart. Somebody who apparently did no research made the chart

 

But in every state you can not sell a gun to a resident of another state.

How the hell do you know what state they are from? You ask for an ID?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:05 PM

31. Yes, you can ask for ID but the ID doesn't have to be state issues according to the law...

... and ID can mean anything in this case.

I can say my name is Bill Dog and show an ID where I have my pic and Bill Dog on it...

Hmmm, yes I see the OP's' point ... too many loopholes for private sales...

Seems like gun registration would fix that, seeing I have to register my car

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:03 PM

5. I'm in Ohio and have always had to show ID for a gun purchase.

If it's at a store, then it was followed by a background check. If it was from an individual, they kept a copy of my license or copied down my license info. I haven't owned a gun in 6 years but I don't think that's changed. For the private sale, if the seller doesn't keep the new buyers info, they are stupid.

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Response to Quackers (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:28 PM

16. Does the private purchase REQUIRE a keeping of the records? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:44 PM

35. The ATF requires dealers to keep paper records of all transactions for years.

all the regulations are a complete clusterfuck.

The ATF requires those records because the feds are legally prevented from retaining background check documents. So they just required dealers to keep their documents, and if a gun shows up in a crime, agents go to the gun dealer to find out who originally bought it.

If the gun has been resold, then the agents are SOL, but if it hasn't then they have their suspect.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:48 PM

36. ok, so the private records are just for dealers... so someone could sell a gun privately and

... then throw away any docs?

tia

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:05 PM

6. That graphic is not correct. n/t

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:05 PM

7. Unless I buy from a private party, I have to show ID.

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Response to ileus (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:10 PM

9. That's why we need to get rid of private sales, as well as the "occasional seller" loophole at gun

shows.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:42 PM

34. None of these mass shootings are "private sales!"

 

Every one I can recall (my memory is not perfect though) have purchased their guns, legally, with proper I'd and background checks, from a dealer.

Your action isn't going to save any lives; it's just a way for you to make yourself feel better.

It's also an infringement upon the liberties of others. You know, unless you are into that sort of thing.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:02 PM

38. Criminals purchase them that way. Fact is, most guns used to kill people

started out as so-called legal sale. It's time we bite the bullet like Australia in 1996 and tell gun fanciers to grow up or go pound sand.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:05 PM

39. So restricting people's freedoms it is.

 

Gotcha.

"99% of you are law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong. We will now proceed to trample on your rights for 'the greater good.'"

Yep. I know you.

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Response to ileus (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:26 PM

15. +1, people can buy guns without ID but can't vote without ID

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:25 PM

14. Amen and Amen!!!

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:34 PM

21. And we let violent criminals out of prison to make room for pot smokers.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:41 PM

22. GOP~NRA Gun Policy

A Gun for every Idiot, an Idiot for every Gun!

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:48 PM

23. And cool aid is available in all 50 states.

 

Some people drink a lot.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:53 PM

28. Easier to buy a gun than ....

Get a prescription from a doctor filled.

Should they not DRUG TEST every single person out there that has one of these "weapons of mass destruction" known as a gun do they same? Piss and blood test the lot of these freaks that feel they need 'dem gunz! If they don't pass, no gun for you!



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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:58 PM

30. The same party which has claimed voter fraud and passed voter ID laws is the

Same party who does not think 80 people on average dying from gun violence and unable to see a problem and unable to pass bills concerning gun violence.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:37 PM

32. The next time I hear concern over "voter fraud" I will remember this...

I'll also throw up in my mouth a little as I realize I live in an amoral, wealth and celebrity worshipping cesspool, content to chase things we don't need while claiming superiority we do not possess and destroying the planet that sustains us.

It really is time for evolution to show humanity the meaning of "exit, stage right".

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:52 PM

37. The AR's that I have I had to show an ID, fill out a form and then pass a background check.

Voting was much easier. Just showed my ID.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:02 PM

42. This graphic is a lie

 

There are 17 states were no ID is required to vote.

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