10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men

[uponit7771]

Just to set some perspective on religious terrorism in America in the last 20 years

Most of the terrorist activity in the U.S. in recent years has come not from Muslims, but from radical Christianists, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men


Regards

[uppityperson]

1. k&r

[Travis_0004]

2. Christians make up about 70% of the population.

Muslims make up about 1%. Do the math.

[lancer78]

9. Be careful of bringing up Muslims

I just had a post hid 6-1 because I said "Muslims hold grudges big time for the crusades. Especially for what King Richard did at Acre". The pro-Muslim forces are out tonight and will take exception to anything negative said about Muslims.

[Orrex]

26. Well, that was an ugly thing to post and should have been a 7-0 hide

Gross generalizations about entire demographics should certainly be hidden. That's not indicative of "pro-Muslim forces," either; the same would be true if you were making a similarly ignorant proclamation about any similarly defined demographic.

Despite your low post-count, you've been here long enough to comprehend this.


In the wake of this massacre you've come down very clearly on the side of guns, so your attitude doesn't surprise me.

[lancer78]

30. I have travelled to the middle east

during my time in the Merchant Marine. My statement might be a broad brush, but look at the broad brush applied all day yesterday against those that support the 2nd Amendment as "gun humpers". Lot of hypocrites on DU.

[Orrex]

31. No, that's not it.

look at the broad brush applied all day yesterday against those that support the 2nd Amendment as "gun humpers". Lot of hypocrites on DU.

Obviously that's not what happened. No one was attacked for supporting the 2nd Amendment. Instead, people were rightly attacked for working very hard to create the impression that they value their guns over human life. You will object to this, no doubt, but that's too bad. I've seen your posts, and I've seen the posts of other gun advocates.

Every single time a mass shooting occurs, gun advocates on DU spring into action to make sure that no one forgets how much they love their guns, and to hell with anyone who suggests that guns might be dangerous and should be better regulated.

It's not simply that they enjoy their firearms, and certainly not that they "support the 2nd Amendment," but rather that they react with such immediate cult-like kneejerk hostility to anyone who calls for tighter restrictions on firearm availability or ownership. And they explicitly posture themselves as defenders of freedom and liberty when in fact they're simply working on behalf of the NRA and the gun lobby.

Further, it's the shockingly insensitive pettiness of their objections that makes them targets for scorn, howling about "gun grabbers" and losing their shit when someone refers to an "assault weapon" or mistakenly refers to a "magazine" as a "clip" or vice versa. I've often (even yesterday) seen gun advocates try to stop the conversation in order to obsess about these matters of minutiae, showing clearly that they're more concerned about gun esoterica than about the bodies still strewn about in the aftermath of the latest massacre.

You are complaining that your deliberately self-selected group is subjected to criticism, and you equate this with racial and ethnic stereotyping. And let's not kid ourselves about the racial component, because you sure as shit weren't talking about Chinese Muslims when you posted.



So forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to a bunch of crybaby gun advocates who feel inconvenienced by the fact that their fellow gun advocates sometimes use their beloved guns to commit mass murder.

[lancer78]

35. How many OPs

started with "don't ban guns" compared to those that started with "ban guns" yesterday? In the first 5 pages, I did not see a single pro-gun OP, so your above post is full of crap. Sorry.

[Orrex]

40. That's an arbitrary and meaningless metric

But even by your silly standard, how many OPs actually started with "ban guns?" Not many, I'd venture to say, but I'm sure that a certain pro-gun mindset imagines such messages everywhere. Please provide links to a few of these, so that we can discuss this cruel rhetorical persecution of gun advocates.

Also, are you such an insensitive ass that you fail to comprehend that sentiment as a natural human reaction to the endless procession of gun massacres? If gun advocates really gave more of a shit about people than about their precious precious guns, they would understand the emotion and trauma behind that response and would react with compassion for those affected by the tragedy rather than by taking the opportunity for yet another screed about the evils of "gun grabbers."

And what kind of a fucked up sociopath would post a pro-gun message in such an environment?

Your reply is frankly asinine, fully consistent with the kneejerk persecution bullshit that we see from gun advocates all the time, revealing much about your character.

[lancer78]

45. The EU

from 2009 to 2015 has had a higher frequency of mass shootings than the United States based on population. There is no "endless procession" of gun massacres. You are more likely to be beaten to death than killed by an AR15.

I feel compassion for the people injured and killed, but I get pissed off at ignorant fools who think gun control will solve anything. The shooter in Orlando PASSED the federal background check. The Sandy Hook shooter's mom PASSED all requirements of the stringent Connecticut AWB.

These acts will still happen no matter what laws are passed. It will take a RE-WRITING OF THE CONSTITUTION in order to MAYBE stop mass shootings, and that is a big maybe.

[Orrex]

47. You're gerrymandering.

higher frequency of mass shootings

And how do their overall numbers of gun deaths compare with ours? I suspect that we top the list once again, by a wide margin.

[lancer78]

49. Nope

Our deaths per mass shootings are also lower based on population. The incident in Norway and Paris did skew the averages though.

[Orrex]

50. Once again...

And how do their overall numbers of gun deaths compare with ours? I suspect that we top the list once again, by a wide margin.

Why focus exclusively on mass shootings, except because it's convenient for your agenda? The US has ~10K gun homicides annually. What other developed nations come close to that?

[yeoman6987]

52. You changed it from mass shooting to homicides. Why?

[Orrex]

53. Because to do otherwise is to mask the real numbers.

As gun-enablers are happy to point out, mass shooting are anomalous and don't represent the bulk of gun homicides. Therefore, when discussing gun murders, even in the wake of a horrific massacre, it makes no sense to ignore the overwhelming majority of such murders unless one is deliberately trying to skew the totals in order to further some agenda.

[npk]

54. Except when those gross generalizations are about white Christians

Just like this post. What people like you fail to realize is when you are complaining about others who broad brush entire groups, you have no problem broad brushing other large groups of people that you don't like. This is yet another tragedy where a crazy person used a gun to mass murder 49 people, and yet we get another thread that attempts to demoralize white people and white Christians who had nothing to do with this shooting.

[Orrex]

56. Well, that's bullshit, but I'm sure you believe it.

I was specifically responding to a specific poster about a specific post. I sure as hell wasn't broad-brushing anyone, so your post make no sense.

And what the fuck do you mean by your "people like you" broad brush, anyway?

[npk]

59. So you disagree with the premise of this OP

You would vehemently deny the validity of posts equating White Christianity with domestic terrorism as people seem to be equating Islam with attacks by members who sympathize with ISIS.

[Orrex]

61. Is the premise incorrect?

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Before you tell me what I agree or disagree with, tell me exactly what you think is wrong with the OP. It certainly doesn't broadbrush Christians but rather cites specific examples and draws a conclusion.

Since you've deliberately misrepresented my position in two consecutive posts (i.e., you lied) I'm not inclined to maintain discussion with you.

[patsimp]

28. people are free to attack any religion accept islam here. Threads are hidden for very little

but there are Christian bashing and Jew bashing threads everywhere.

Nevermind that we just had 50 people slaughtered by a murderer who identifies with ISIS and who's father supports the Taliban.

[Orrex]

33. Links please

I'd be interested to read some of these "Jew bashing threads" that you claim are "everywhere." Presumably they weren't hidden, because if they were then you wouldn't be complaining.

I'm sure that you're not equating criticism of Israeli state policy with "Jew bashing," of course.

[patsimp]

34. really? You haven't seen them? Sure.

[Orrex]

36. Really? You don't have links to them? Sure.

[lancer78]

37. Don't worry

This person saw a bunch of Pro-Gun OP's yesterday as well. Another hypocrite who wants to see only what confirms his beliefs.

[patsimp]

39. Totally agree.

[Orrex]

42. Then you agree with a liar.

Since I've never claimed to see any pro-gun OPs anywhere on DU, that claim is a lie, and you agree with it.

Lovely. Gun advocates surely do stick together, and it's interesting that you two would have chosen to bond in a subthread about anti-Muslim paranoia.


What are we to make of that?

[Orrex]

41. So you're a liar, then?

Please show where I've made any claim about even a single pro-gun OP at any time on DU.

Otherwise admit that you're a liar.

[lancer78]

44. There were plenty of

OP's stating to ban guns, but there were none defending guns like you claimed there were.

[Orrex]

46. So, you're a liar then.

I made no such claim. Give us the link to the post in which you think I made the bullshit statement that you attribute to me.

[Rex]

11. And of those, 25% are Evangelical and 20% are Catholic.

So then what are you trying to imply?

[Ash_F]

16. Do you have any idea how many homophobic attacks have happened in this country?

I think the numbers would line up if someone did the math.

Edit - This was a very devastating attack, maybe the most devastating homophobic attack ever. But that is due to the perpetrator's training and armament, not his religion.

[uponit7771]

18. I have, they commit less than their populations worth of terrorist attacks (pic inside)

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[BumRushDaShow]

3. Yet they won't call it "terrorism".

[Rex]

12. Well in fairness who knew the government would be scared of a few cattle rustlers?

Or a group of failures pretending to play Army?

[Bluenorthwest]

24. In all fairness those fuckers have been arrested and the book has been hurled at them.

14 more were arrested in March and charged with a variety of offenses and they will be convicted. Got them without a shot fired.

[Rex]

43. True, that was the best arrest and capture in American history.

Without a single shot fired. Alive LEOs are the best kind of LEOs. I am enjoying reading about the spoiled 'sovereign' brats and their first experience with reality.

[uponit7771]

19. Yeap, pointing a guns at federal agents = OIWFDI

[linuxman]

4. Neat.

Now adjust for population and get back to me.

[doc03]

5. They left out an unknown number of murders by the KKK in the name of

Christianity.

[Nye Bevan]

13. How does burning the most revered symbol of a religion

equate to support for that religion?

Are people who burn Qurans supportive of Islam?

[whatthehey]

27. Really? You are REALLY doubting the KKK espouses Christianity?

Whether you agree with their actions or not, their motivation and religiosity has been front and center for their entire existence.

2nd Klan origins
http://www.readex.com/readex-report/religion-and-rise-second-ku-klux-klan-1915-1922

Civil Rights Era
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/price&bowers/Klan.html

Present Times
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/21/virginia-kkk-fliers_n_5008647.html

[REP]

6. I don't think Oklahoma City was motivated by extreme Christian beliefs

It was an act of domestic terrorism; of that there is no doubt. His motivation, however, did not seem to be driven by extreme Christian beliefs or to be an attack against any particular race, ethnicity or any other group other than the US Government.

[napkinz]

7. Pastor Kevin Swanson, who supported Ted Cruz ... Kill The Gays!

[FrodosPet]

8. Violent religious fanatics

What is your take on this? Does this mean that we cannot discuss any non-white-Christian act of mass violence without mentioning this sad sick fact about our homegrown mouth breathing dipshits in every paragraph?

[Texasgal]

10. Why are you trying to one up

this murderous thug?

[The2ndWheel]

14. White males are not exceptional

But if you don't bring them up in every conversation, someone might forget about them.

[Glassunion]

38. lol +1

[Iggo]

15. You people can argue all you want over whose religious violence is worse.

From where I sit, religious violence is religious violence.

[uponit7771]

20. The reaction on DU and by the media isn't the same, Christianist terrorism = not reported, Islamic..

...terrorism = 12342134 days

[Iggo]

23. That wasn't really aimed at you, but at the nit-pickers.

[uponit7771]

25. ah :-)

[Hekate]

17. What I've been saying over and over. Thanks for the link ...

...just in case people want to check it out.

[romanic]

21. Thanks for putting it into perspective.

But that doesn't change the fact that this tragedy was commitied by someone who wasn't a White Republican Christian.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. So both faiths are indicted by hateful acts. That's been my point all along.

Trying to mitigate the bigotry of one faith group by citing the bigotry of another is simply an admission that they are both of them bigoted. It is in a way a bold defense of the bigotry in both faiths, by submitting that one bigotry redeems the other.

[patsimp]

29. very uncool and a dishonor to the victims in Orlando.

If you had posted something similar about muslims, I'm sure it would have been hidden by now.

[snooper2]

32. Trying to think of the proper response to this without getting a hide

couldn't do it

[Sissyk]

48. I'm right there with you!man, call me

Surprised, but I wasn't expecting members at DU to keep trying to out hate each other at this point. Some of them have convinced me that if its not their key issue, they don't care.

So much disrespect for the LGBT community here that I'm about to just sit down and cry.

And, some of it from unexpected members.

[RandySF]

51. I appreciate your desire to put this into perspective.

But the murder of 49 people is no less evil because Christians are committing heinous acts as well.

[npk]

55. So because idiots at Fox News blame all Muslims when something like this happens

Your idea is tit for tat. Grossly trying to demoralize all Christians the same way others try to demoralize all Muslims when violent acts are committed by members of those perspective religions. You are obviously no better then those people you rail against and in some cases you are actually worse.

[uponit7771]

57. OK, the last 5 responses can act like there weren't a litany of OPs blaming Islam for the shooting

... but these post are easily searchable.

Perspective is there because there was too much support or conversation around blaming Islam and making it a particular actor in hate filled acts

[jack_krass]

58. In my haste to mourne the 50 people slaughtered like sheep, and vent

my disgust at the filthy scumbag perpetrator, I had forgotten for about a tenth of a second that white male christians are the root of all that is evil in the worlds pasr, present, and future..

Thank you sir for your friendly reminder!!!

[Night Watchman]

60. Truth!