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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsErin Burnett just used the words "religious pervert" to describe the shooter in Orlando. Great meme.
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doc03
(35,143 posts)applegrove
(118,007 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)along with apostates and people who have committed adultery, among other things.
doc03
(35,143 posts)that hold beliefs just a radical. The bible has been perverted by radicals too.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Or are we still talking about the one that was conducted by an Islamic radical?
Why everytime that fact is mentioned, are we subjected to the reminder that other religions have crack pots? Like its a fact we forgot. We know. Right now, today, and really for the last 5 years, radical Islam has been the major driving force behind these kinds of attacks in the western world. Reminding people that other religions have issues doesn't dilute that fact.
Maybe that's not what you were going for, but I don't understand it.
doc03
(35,143 posts)murder people too. If you take the combined followers of ISIS and all the other radical Islamic groups it is only 1/1000%
of the worlds Muslim population. Do we call people that murder abortion clinic doctors Christian Terrorists?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)But again, that isn't what happened today.
Trying to make it 'better' by saying :' but you know, before, people of other religions didn't terrible things too!' is completely tone deaf.
doc03
(35,143 posts)president called it a (terrorist act) not an (Islamic Terrorist Act). Oh and no I have never heard any of the
murders carried out by Christian radicals called Christian Terrorism on the MSM..
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I don't represent the MSM. I don't watch enough to know or care what they call something. But seriously, if you can't discuss something without name calling, I really have no desire to have a conversation with you today.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)apologists for radical islam - like the gun lobby - that are not stopping the problem.
The murderer's father is on record as hating gay people and supporting the Taliban. The murderer heeded the call from ISIS to attack nightclubs in the name of islam. How can anyone say there is no connection?
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)batshit crazy in it. "Acceptable Muslims" do too, except they are in the minority within the global Ummah. Numerically the "true believers" also need to be judged on a sliding scale of their adherence and batshit craziness, so not every hardcore homophobic Muslim, who beats his wife as well is to rise totally Taliban or ISIS in jihad level.
If you strictly adhere to the christian bible (like hundreds of millions of Muslims do with the Q'uran), then you get ultra violence, and stripping of massive amounts of human rights. It works for both religions. If you truly and literally interpret and live according to the "sacred" texts, you get barbarism.
drray23
(7,587 posts)The bible is not be undone when it comes to horrors as well. Its true for many major religions. What matters is that in these modern times most religious scholars do not interpret the texts literally. Hence, you do not stone somebody because they work on sundays or wear linen with wool and cloth mixed together or wear pants if they are women (yes its all part of the bible). Sure, you can find some ugly stuff in the Koran as well, that does not mean the majority of believes adhere to a strict interpretation of it. The bible also say you should kill both the man and woman if they commit adultery.
safeinOhio
(32,524 posts)he is no fun and mental.
applegrove
(118,007 posts)enough
(13,235 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)Can you imagine anyone in the media saying or using "christian pervert"? Lol.
The tar & feathers would flow.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I'm not a Christian, so apologies if this is all fucked up, but if the Pope were to start calling for Christians to murder people who ate meat during lent, and people DID IT!? Man, there would be no end to it. And rightfully so.
Right now, Christian terrorists are mostly home brewed by home brewed idiotic preachers. Those people are often described as domestic terrorists, because they are just that.
This dude today took the time to call dispatch and make sure that everyone new he was claiming allegiance to a foreign religious state before committing he absurdly cruel actions. I think there is a difference.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)to commit these murders, to kill gay American men. Allegiance is one thing, urging and orders another.
I read that he was self-radicalized and his father proclaimed himself prez of Afghanistan.
So, I think that qualifies as "home brewed" crazies.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)My apologies.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)The man was religiously perverted, self-loathing gay >.<
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)He beat her too.
Her family saved her.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)as we have seen in other cases, people who are radicalized can turn into a whole different person within a year or two.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)rollin74
(1,952 posts)that sounds fairly religious to me
also, his ex-wife hasn't spoken to him in years
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,305 posts)If he is a religious pervert (someone who has a twisted belief in a god who condones hatred and murder) then his
beliefs are more of a symptom of his hatred and homophobia than they are the cause. His type will distort and tailor
any doctrine in order to fit into (i.e. remove any dissonance) their deeply disturbed psyche.
Another psychopath has killed a bunch a people. Another opportunity to point a finger at God and those who believe in God
(in his case, a thin connection at best) as the "cause" for his violence, and to condemn a wide range of people by "guilt
through association". Evil people like him are outcasts in any mainstream circle. ISIS would love him, and he would seek out like-minded people and groups like ISIS.
If a person is "religious", it does not imply that it causes him to be a homophobic, psychopathic, angry, hate-filled, murderous scumbag.
If a man kills 50 human beings based on the fact that they are gay, then he is a homophobic, psychopathic, angry, hate-filled, murderous scumbag. It was an inevitability that he was going to do something violent, even if religion didn't exist at all. He beat his girlfriend, He is insane.
Affect vs. Effect
Affect is usually a verb, and effect is usually a noun. To affect something is to change or influence it, and an effect is something that happens due to a cause.
Was this man effected by religion, or did his psychopathology affect (pervert, distort, twist) his understanding of God ?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)But what we have on the homophobic part of that sure as shit looks like religiosity is a big part of it...