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Erin Burnett just used the words "religious pervert" to describe the shooter in Orlando. Great meme. (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2016 OP
Yes it is, it could just as well have been a Radical Christian Terrorist attack. n/t doc03 Jun 2016 #1
Point being he's perverted his religion. applegrove Jun 2016 #2
Am i wrong when i say that islam calls for the death of gay people? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #9
Maybe they do I know very little about Islam. I think you could find some Christians doc03 Jun 2016 #11
I'm sorry, maybe I missed something. Was there another shooting today? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #12
Sorry Donald but we have had people pervert Christianity to doc03 Jun 2016 #15
Yes. Yes we do call them that. All the time. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #17
So you are with the Fox News crowd. I turn on Fox today, they are all up in arms because the doc03 Jun 2016 #19
So far you've called me 'donald' and part of the 'fox news' crowd Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #25
speaking the truth does not make anyone with the 'fox news crows'. if anything, it's the MariaThinks Jun 2016 #32
"The bible has been perverted by radicals too."<< NO, it is just "acceptable christians" ignore the AntiBank Jun 2016 #21
so does christianity. drray23 Jun 2016 #28
Religious Fundamentalist, like all fundamentalist safeinOhio Jun 2016 #3
Oh I think he is beyond fundamentalist. applegrove Jun 2016 #4
You're right, great meme. She'll be looking for a job very soon. (nt) enough Jun 2016 #5
Nah.She'd sell her mother for a quarter. She can always find payment for her services. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2016 #6
That term could never be applied to christian shooters in M$M. Duppers Jun 2016 #7
Well....since this is the first time i know of it being used...probably not. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #13
Thanks. I edited my post to better reflect what I meant Duppers Jun 2016 #16
If Christian 'shooters' were acting on the urging of foriegn poltical actors, then I'm sure it would Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #18
I did not realize that a foreign state had urged him Duppers Jun 2016 #24
ISIS has called for increased attacks against infidels during Ramadan. nt Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #26
Thanks. I'm behind apparently. Duppers Jun 2016 #29
Update.. Duppers Jun 2016 #35
You're making excellent points and will be attacked by people with agendas. Stay strong. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #33
Sort of redundant. nt Gore1FL Jun 2016 #8
He was described as "not religious" by his wife.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #10
that is correct but his wife left him several years ago Angel Martin Jun 2016 #20
I think he was always an asshole. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #30
Imam at the mosque he went to (Fort Pierce Islamic Center) said he attended 3 or 4 times a week rollin74 Jun 2016 #23
Now watch the Right claim that Imam needs to be investigated. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #31
How about "Fundamentalist Fuckhat"? Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #14
Posts like this are a broad-brush blaming of religion, and tend to confuse the disease with symptom. King_Klonopin Jun 2016 #22
Well there's not much data on psychopathic murderous scum opinions whatthehey Jun 2016 #34
good for her Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
9. Am i wrong when i say that islam calls for the death of gay people?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

along with apostates and people who have committed adultery, among other things.

doc03

(35,143 posts)
11. Maybe they do I know very little about Islam. I think you could find some Christians
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jun 2016

that hold beliefs just a radical. The bible has been perverted by radicals too.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
12. I'm sorry, maybe I missed something. Was there another shooting today?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jun 2016

Or are we still talking about the one that was conducted by an Islamic radical?

Why everytime that fact is mentioned, are we subjected to the reminder that other religions have crack pots? Like its a fact we forgot. We know. Right now, today, and really for the last 5 years, radical Islam has been the major driving force behind these kinds of attacks in the western world. Reminding people that other religions have issues doesn't dilute that fact.

Maybe that's not what you were going for, but I don't understand it.

doc03

(35,143 posts)
15. Sorry Donald but we have had people pervert Christianity to
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jun 2016

murder people too. If you take the combined followers of ISIS and all the other radical Islamic groups it is only 1/1000%
of the worlds Muslim population. Do we call people that murder abortion clinic doctors Christian Terrorists?

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
17. Yes. Yes we do call them that. All the time.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jun 2016

But again, that isn't what happened today.

Trying to make it 'better' by saying :' but you know, before, people of other religions didn't terrible things too!' is completely tone deaf.



doc03

(35,143 posts)
19. So you are with the Fox News crowd. I turn on Fox today, they are all up in arms because the
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jun 2016

president called it a (terrorist act) not an (Islamic Terrorist Act). Oh and no I have never heard any of the
murders carried out by Christian radicals called Christian Terrorism on the MSM..

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
25. So far you've called me 'donald' and part of the 'fox news' crowd
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jun 2016

I don't represent the MSM. I don't watch enough to know or care what they call something. But seriously, if you can't discuss something without name calling, I really have no desire to have a conversation with you today.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
32. speaking the truth does not make anyone with the 'fox news crows'. if anything, it's the
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

apologists for radical islam - like the gun lobby - that are not stopping the problem.

The murderer's father is on record as hating gay people and supporting the Taliban. The murderer heeded the call from ISIS to attack nightclubs in the name of islam. How can anyone say there is no connection?

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
21. "The bible has been perverted by radicals too."<< NO, it is just "acceptable christians" ignore the
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jun 2016

batshit crazy in it. "Acceptable Muslims" do too, except they are in the minority within the global Ummah. Numerically the "true believers" also need to be judged on a sliding scale of their adherence and batshit craziness, so not every hardcore homophobic Muslim, who beats his wife as well is to rise totally Taliban or ISIS in jihad level.

If you strictly adhere to the christian bible (like hundreds of millions of Muslims do with the Q'uran), then you get ultra violence, and stripping of massive amounts of human rights. It works for both religions. If you truly and literally interpret and live according to the "sacred" texts, you get barbarism.

drray23

(7,587 posts)
28. so does christianity.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jun 2016

The bible is not be undone when it comes to horrors as well. Its true for many major religions. What matters is that in these modern times most religious scholars do not interpret the texts literally. Hence, you do not stone somebody because they work on sundays or wear linen with wool and cloth mixed together or wear pants if they are women (yes its all part of the bible). Sure, you can find some ugly stuff in the Koran as well, that does not mean the majority of believes adhere to a strict interpretation of it. The bible also say you should kill both the man and woman if they commit adultery.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
16. Thanks. I edited my post to better reflect what I meant
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jun 2016

Can you imagine anyone in the media saying or using "christian pervert"? Lol.

The tar & feathers would flow.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
18. If Christian 'shooters' were acting on the urging of foriegn poltical actors, then I'm sure it would
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jun 2016

I'm not a Christian, so apologies if this is all fucked up, but if the Pope were to start calling for Christians to murder people who ate meat during lent, and people DID IT!? Man, there would be no end to it. And rightfully so.

Right now, Christian terrorists are mostly home brewed by home brewed idiotic preachers. Those people are often described as domestic terrorists, because they are just that.

This dude today took the time to call dispatch and make sure that everyone new he was claiming allegiance to a foreign religious state before committing he absurdly cruel actions. I think there is a difference.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
24. I did not realize that a foreign state had urged him
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jun 2016

to commit these murders, to kill gay American men. Allegiance is one thing, urging and orders another.

I read that he was self-radicalized and his father proclaimed himself prez of Afghanistan.
So, I think that qualifies as "home brewed" crazies.



Angel Martin

(942 posts)
20. that is correct but his wife left him several years ago
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jun 2016

as we have seen in other cases, people who are radicalized can turn into a whole different person within a year or two.

rollin74

(1,952 posts)
23. Imam at the mosque he went to (Fort Pierce Islamic Center) said he attended 3 or 4 times a week
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jun 2016

that sounds fairly religious to me

also, his ex-wife hasn't spoken to him in years

King_Klonopin

(1,305 posts)
22. Posts like this are a broad-brush blaming of religion, and tend to confuse the disease with symptom.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jun 2016

If he is a religious pervert (someone who has a twisted belief in a god who condones hatred and murder) then his
beliefs are more of a symptom of his hatred and homophobia than they are the cause. His type will distort and tailor
any doctrine in order to fit into (i.e. remove any dissonance) their deeply disturbed psyche.

Another psychopath has killed a bunch a people. Another opportunity to point a finger at God and those who believe in God
(in his case, a thin connection at best) as the "cause" for his violence, and to condemn a wide range of people by "guilt
through association". Evil people like him are outcasts in any mainstream circle. ISIS would love him, and he would seek out like-minded people and groups like ISIS.

If a person is "religious", it does not imply that it causes him to be a homophobic, psychopathic, angry, hate-filled, murderous scumbag.

If a man kills 50 human beings based on the fact that they are gay, then he is a homophobic, psychopathic, angry, hate-filled, murderous scumbag. It was an inevitability that he was going to do something violent, even if religion didn't exist at all. He beat his girlfriend, He is insane.


Affect vs. Effect

Affect is usually a verb, and effect is usually a noun. To affect something is to change or influence it, and an effect is something that happens due to a cause.

Was this man effected by religion, or did his psychopathology affect (pervert, distort, twist) his understanding of God ?



whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
34. Well there's not much data on psychopathic murderous scum opinions
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

But what we have on the homophobic part of that sure as shit looks like religiosity is a big part of it...

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