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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:12 PM

Erin Burnett just used the words "religious pervert" to describe the shooter in Orlando. Great meme.

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Reply Erin Burnett just used the words "religious pervert" to describe the shooter in Orlando. Great meme. (Original post)
applegrove Jun 2016 OP
doc03 Jun 2016 #1
applegrove Jun 2016 #2
MariaThinks Jun 2016 #9
doc03 Jun 2016 #11
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #12
doc03 Jun 2016 #15
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #17
doc03 Jun 2016 #19
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #25
MariaThinks Jun 2016 #32
AntiBank Jun 2016 #21
drray23 Jun 2016 #28
safeinOhio Jun 2016 #3
applegrove Jun 2016 #4
enough Jun 2016 #5
jtuck004 Jun 2016 #6
Duppers Jun 2016 #7
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #13
Duppers Jun 2016 #16
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #18
Duppers Jun 2016 #24
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #26
Duppers Jun 2016 #29
Duppers Jun 2016 #35
MariaThinks Jun 2016 #33
Gore1FL Jun 2016 #8
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #10
Angel Martin Jun 2016 #20
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #30
rollin74 Jun 2016 #23
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #31
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #14
King_Klonopin Jun 2016 #22
whatthehey Jun 2016 #34
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27

Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:36 PM

1. Yes it is, it could just as well have been a Radical Christian Terrorist attack. n/t

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:36 PM

2. Point being he's perverted his religion.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:32 PM

9. Am i wrong when i say that islam calls for the death of gay people?

along with apostates and people who have committed adultery, among other things.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:39 PM

11. Maybe they do I know very little about Islam. I think you could find some Christians

that hold beliefs just a radical. The bible has been perverted by radicals too.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:46 PM

12. I'm sorry, maybe I missed something. Was there another shooting today?

 

Or are we still talking about the one that was conducted by an Islamic radical?

Why everytime that fact is mentioned, are we subjected to the reminder that other religions have crack pots? Like its a fact we forgot. We know. Right now, today, and really for the last 5 years, radical Islam has been the major driving force behind these kinds of attacks in the western world. Reminding people that other religions have issues doesn't dilute that fact.

Maybe that's not what you were going for, but I don't understand it.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:55 PM

15. Sorry Donald but we have had people pervert Christianity to

murder people too. If you take the combined followers of ISIS and all the other radical Islamic groups it is only 1/1000%
of the worlds Muslim population. Do we call people that murder abortion clinic doctors Christian Terrorists?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:58 PM

17. Yes. Yes we do call them that. All the time.

 

But again, that isn't what happened today.

Trying to make it 'better' by saying :' but you know, before, people of other religions didn't terrible things too!' is completely tone deaf.



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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:05 PM

19. So you are with the Fox News crowd. I turn on Fox today, they are all up in arms because the

president called it a (terrorist act) not an (Islamic Terrorist Act). Oh and no I have never heard any of the
murders carried out by Christian radicals called Christian Terrorism on the MSM..

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Response to doc03 (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:55 PM

25. So far you've called me 'donald' and part of the 'fox news' crowd

 

I don't represent the MSM. I don't watch enough to know or care what they call something. But seriously, if you can't discuss something without name calling, I really have no desire to have a conversation with you today.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:56 AM

32. speaking the truth does not make anyone with the 'fox news crows'. if anything, it's the

apologists for radical islam - like the gun lobby - that are not stopping the problem.

The murderer's father is on record as hating gay people and supporting the Taliban. The murderer heeded the call from ISIS to attack nightclubs in the name of islam. How can anyone say there is no connection?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:23 PM

21. "The bible has been perverted by radicals too."<< NO, it is just "acceptable christians" ignore the

 

batshit crazy in it. "Acceptable Muslims" do too, except they are in the minority within the global Ummah. Numerically the "true believers" also need to be judged on a sliding scale of their adherence and batshit craziness, so not every hardcore homophobic Muslim, who beats his wife as well is to rise totally Taliban or ISIS in jihad level.

If you strictly adhere to the christian bible (like hundreds of millions of Muslims do with the Q'uran), then you get ultra violence, and stripping of massive amounts of human rights. It works for both religions. If you truly and literally interpret and live according to the "sacred" texts, you get barbarism.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:02 PM

28. so does christianity.

The bible is not be undone when it comes to horrors as well. Its true for many major religions. What matters is that in these modern times most religious scholars do not interpret the texts literally. Hence, you do not stone somebody because they work on sundays or wear linen with wool and cloth mixed together or wear pants if they are women (yes its all part of the bible). Sure, you can find some ugly stuff in the Koran as well, that does not mean the majority of believes adhere to a strict interpretation of it. The bible also say you should kill both the man and woman if they commit adultery.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:01 PM

3. Religious Fundamentalist, like all fundamentalist

he is no fun and mental.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:04 PM

4. Oh I think he is beyond fundamentalist.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:04 PM

5. You're right, great meme. She'll be looking for a job very soon. (nt)

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Response to enough (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:19 PM

6. Nah.She'd sell her mother for a quarter. She can always find payment for her services. n/t

 

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:02 PM

7. That term could never be applied to christian shooters in M$M.





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Response to Duppers (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:46 PM

13. Well....since this is the first time i know of it being used...probably not.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:57 PM

16. Thanks. I edited my post to better reflect what I meant

Can you imagine anyone in the media saying or using "christian pervert"? Lol.

The tar & feathers would flow.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:01 PM

18. If Christian 'shooters' were acting on the urging of foriegn poltical actors, then I'm sure it would

 

I'm not a Christian, so apologies if this is all fucked up, but if the Pope were to start calling for Christians to murder people who ate meat during lent, and people DID IT!? Man, there would be no end to it. And rightfully so.

Right now, Christian terrorists are mostly home brewed by home brewed idiotic preachers. Those people are often described as domestic terrorists, because they are just that.

This dude today took the time to call dispatch and make sure that everyone new he was claiming allegiance to a foreign religious state before committing he absurdly cruel actions. I think there is a difference.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:36 PM

24. I did not realize that a foreign state had urged him

to commit these murders, to kill gay American men. Allegiance is one thing, urging and orders another.

I read that he was self-radicalized and his father proclaimed himself prez of Afghanistan.
So, I think that qualifies as "home brewed" crazies.



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Response to Duppers (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:56 PM

26. ISIS has called for increased attacks against infidels during Ramadan. nt

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:33 PM

29. Thanks. I'm behind apparently.

My apologies.



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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:50 PM

35. Update..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027924237


The man was religiously perverted, self-loathing gay >.<

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:57 AM

33. You're making excellent points and will be attacked by people with agendas. Stay strong.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:27 PM

8. Sort of redundant. nt

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:37 PM

10. He was described as "not religious" by his wife....

 

He beat her too.

Her family saved her.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:10 PM

20. that is correct but his wife left him several years ago

as we have seen in other cases, people who are radicalized can turn into a whole different person within a year or two.

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Response to Angel Martin (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:16 AM

30. I think he was always an asshole.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:30 PM

23. Imam at the mosque he went to (Fort Pierce Islamic Center) said he attended 3 or 4 times a week

that sounds fairly religious to me

also, his ex-wife hasn't spoken to him in years

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:18 AM

31. Now watch the Right claim that Imam needs to be investigated.

 

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:51 PM

14. How about "Fundamentalist Fuckhat"?

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:28 PM

22. Posts like this are a broad-brush blaming of religion, and tend to confuse the disease with symptom.

If he is a religious pervert (someone who has a twisted belief in a god who condones hatred and murder) then his
beliefs are more of a symptom of his hatred and homophobia than they are the cause. His type will distort and tailor
any doctrine in order to fit into (i.e. remove any dissonance) their deeply disturbed psyche.

Another psychopath has killed a bunch a people. Another opportunity to point a finger at God and those who believe in God
(in his case, a thin connection at best) as the "cause" for his violence, and to condemn a wide range of people by "guilt
through association". Evil people like him are outcasts in any mainstream circle. ISIS would love him, and he would seek out like-minded people and groups like ISIS.

If a person is "religious", it does not imply that it causes him to be a homophobic, psychopathic, angry, hate-filled, murderous scumbag.

If a man kills 50 human beings based on the fact that they are gay, then he is a homophobic, psychopathic, angry, hate-filled, murderous scumbag. It was an inevitability that he was going to do something violent, even if religion didn't exist at all. He beat his girlfriend, He is insane.


Affect vs. Effect

Affect is usually a verb, and effect is usually a noun. To affect something is to change or influence it, and an effect is something that happens due to a cause.

Was this man effected by religion, or did his psychopathology affect (pervert, distort, twist) his understanding of God ?



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Response to King_Klonopin (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:12 AM

34. Well there's not much data on psychopathic murderous scum opinions

But what we have on the homophobic part of that sure as shit looks like religiosity is a big part of it...

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:57 PM

27. good for her

 

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