Hate did this. Fundamentalism birthed it. Guns enabled it.

[GaYellowDawg]

Many fewer people would have to worry about guns without hatred, but many fewer people would have to worry about hatred without guns. No gun kills without a user, but no user could kill so many without a gun. The inescapable fact is that without hate, these atrocities would not occur, but neither could they have happened without guns.

I despair of this country getting rid of either.

[One Black Sheep]

1. The scary part is this guy was born and raised in America

In the San Bernardino attack, the guy was born in America, but his wife was a devout Muslim from Pakistan, and indications are that she radicalized him after they got married and he brought her to America from Pakistan.

This guy was born in the USA, although his parents were immigrants from Afghanistan.

Still, that is a scary thought, that Muslim terrorists might start coming from Americans born and raised here...

Hopefully this is not representative of the future.

[GaYellowDawg]

3. It's no more or less scary than Timothy McVeigh.

And I have a friend who was at the Unitarian church in Knoxville when a crazy conservative white guy opened fire on the congregation. We've already had plenty of terrorists coming from Americans born and raised here.

Given that Donald Trump will ratchet his rhetoric up even more, I would not be surprised to see a mosque get targeted by an angry conservative white guy within days or weeks. I so desperately wish I could not say that.

[One Black Sheep]

6. To me, it is. I'm thinking of the ISIS part, there are daily terror attacks in

the Middle East which are perpetrated by ISIS and other Muslim religious fanatic terror groups.

There is no doubt that America has had domestic terrorists before, but those incidents are not as common as those perpetrated by ISIS, and they are not an organized terror group like ISIS is either.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. I read a comment from someone in England about Muslims....

He said the ones he knows who are devout are more passive than him and he's a Hindu.

BTW: Stop calling them "ISIS". They are NOT a caliphate or a "state". They're a bunch if assholes that are unpopular in their own country and who our Right Wing is promoting as the new boogieman for everyone to fear.

[Albertoo]

18. Many American mosques are under the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood

And the Muslim Brotherhood is not a friend of constitutional democracies.

[Dem2]

4. Are you kidding?

You're not actually suggesting that no matter the topic, Democrats are to blame for anything that goes wrong in this country?

Because it kind of seems that way.

[rhett o rick]

5. I think that the corporatist Democrats have a lot of responsibility for the 2.5 million

American children that are homeless. What do you think about that? Are you on the Clinton-Sachs side that thinks that corporate profits uber alles?

[Dem2]

8. I guess you're not kidding

Kind of weird...

[TacoD]

9. What a shitty post (the one that got hidden)

It sounds like a bad, tasteless parody of something a DUer would say. Sadly it was all too sincere.

[Dem2]

10. I'm so used to it

I'd never think to alert on something like that. I wasn't even aware the post was hidden until you mentioned it.

I certainly can't comprehend such extreme cynicism - it's beyond the pale IMO.

[One Black Sheep]

13. Yea, that post was something else. I'm a Bernie fan, but to blame "corporate Democrats" for this

is just bizarre and a little bit insane, the same goes for those trying to blame Trump for this...WTF?

The blame lies on the killer/terrorist, and he swore allegiance to ISIS. Case closed.

[AntiBank]

14. that didn't even sound like that poster, he is normally super on point

[aikoaiko]

7. Hate could have used pressure cooker bombs or a couple of malatov cocktails

Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.

[Crowman1979]

12. And yet not a peep from these Xtian fundies whenever their ilk does the killing.

[SunSeeker]

15. And the dude was a bipolar wife abuser. He should have never been able to buy a gun.

Fact is, EVERY country has bipolar people, funtamentalists and wife abusers. What makes us so special is we arm people like that.

I place this at the feet of the NRA.

[ancianita]

16. Guns, hate and ideology reinforce targeting of historical outgroups, so the 'getting rid' will be a

Herculean effort from local to national levels. So many people will be arguing from narrow perspectives and interests.

Since this was a terrorist act, the nexus of hate, guns and ideology can't be ignored here, and so then the issue of Homeland Security protection, funding, structuring, immigration, surveillance and policing will get all in the gun discussion mix.

[captainarizona]

17. I agree with bill mahar

I would explain but my post would get hidden. Christian or muslim calling for the death of gay people should be arrested for making a terroristic threat and be prosecuted.