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This is what Australia did to its guns (Original Post) Gomez163 Jun 2016 OP
You know... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #1
Gee, I was told 'they're not like us," and "they are a different culture," MADem Jun 2016 #2
What do they do so the Dingoes don't eat there babies ???? frankieallen Jun 2016 #3
Cayenne diaper powder. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2016 #54
LOTS and lots of shotguns in that pic, and a few SKSs, a few .22s...seem to be all sporting arms. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #4
Not one of these... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #5
You do know lancer78 Jun 2016 #52
Neither will they save a life or put food on a table... TipTok Jun 2016 #57
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #6
They haven't had a mass shooting in Australia since 1996. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #7
The Hunt family killings may qualify formally as such IIRC Marengo Jun 2016 #12
Yes they have. linuxman Jun 2016 #13
I relied on a faulty article. There were 13 in the decade before though. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #14
They haven't Crepuscular Jun 2016 #55
Australia doesn't have a 2nd Amendment. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #8
Ask them if they are in favor of folks like this with gunz? Hoyt Jun 2016 #27
WTF NCTraveler Jun 2016 #41
How come only white people, is your search engine broken ol' hoyt snooper2 Jun 2016 #64
There aren't many, snooper. I'm sure you had to look hard to find those. Fact is, gunz as we know Hoyt Jun 2016 #65
nope, not really, didn't look for any Mexican Americans of course they open carry all over too snooper2 Jun 2016 #66
I know how I feel. Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #56
They're all bent! procon Jun 2016 #9
I've read compliance with the "buy back" was surprisingly low... Marengo Jun 2016 #10
I'll be honest. roamer65 Jun 2016 #11
I'm not arguing for or against an assault weapons ban TeddyR Jun 2016 #15
We know that machine guns and military weapons are already banned with Gomez163 Jun 2016 #21
Good question that I don't know the answer to TeddyR Jun 2016 #23
The AR and some AK platform Semi-Auto accoutrements were banned. Sans accoutrements, No. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #36
Only AR's with a certain number of 'naughty' features were banned. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #42
No, the AR-15 wasn't banned in 1994. Certain features were banned. X_Digger Jun 2016 #62
How? virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #16
Maybe those who advocate door-to-door on DU Marengo Jun 2016 #17
Yeah, that's freaking hilarious Laha Jun 2016 #20
Rather it's your lack of ability to comprehend that's on display here... Marengo Jun 2016 #22
Thanks for asking despite resorting to an attack on my intelligence to begin with. Laha Jun 2016 #26
You expect veneration after attacking my sanity? Marengo Jun 2016 #43
Fair response, thank you Laha Jun 2016 #45
I wasn't laughing at the thought they would be shot... Marengo Jun 2016 #49
That's a significant part of the controller wet dream... TipTok Jun 2016 #58
Focusing on a ban of "assault rifles (sic)" is meaningless... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #19
Hasn't the AR-15 been used quite a bit lately in the mass shootings???? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #25
It is used, along with semi-auto pistols (VT), a pump shotgun (Navy Yard) and an accumulation of Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #31
I want to stop crazy people from getting any gun that can spit out bullets Gomez163 Jun 2016 #33
If you want to keep ANY gun out of the hands of an adjudicated incompetent, Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #38
They need to ask some questions before they sell him a dangerous weapon that Gomez163 Jun 2016 #46
Who is "they?" Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #63
Yeah, but they are the guns that yahoos are attracted too. Get rid of them and semi-auto pistols, Hoyt Jun 2016 #28
Not happening. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #39
Actually, we need to ban semi-auto pistols too. Hoyt Jun 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Odin2005 Jun 2016 #18
K&R Paper Roses Jun 2016 #24
Post A Warning Next Time SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #29
A "trigger" warning? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #30
OMG etherealtruth Jun 2016 #37
Most of those look like hunting rifles davidn3600 Jun 2016 #32
You got to remember those rifles were bought back. The owners got paid. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #34
Who cares? TipTok Jun 2016 #59
Probably semi-automatics ErikJ Jun 2016 #50
I hope they kept one or two. rug Jun 2016 #35
Amazingly, I don't see an AR-15 Bushmaster anywhere in there. TrollBuster9090 Jun 2016 #40
As I recall, one of the rifles used in the Port Arthur massacre... Marengo Jun 2016 #44
Yes it was, I stand corrected. Thank you. nt TrollBuster9090 Jun 2016 #60
Don't let America follow the same dreadful path. ileus Jun 2016 #47
There is still time....brother. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #48
If you want to create credibility problems on guns Angel Martin Jun 2016 #51
I call it a good start. ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #53
I've never seen so many 'assault weapons' in one picture... beevul Jun 2016 #61

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. You know...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jun 2016

there are real differences between Democrats and Republicans.

This looks like just one of them!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Gee, I was told 'they're not like us," and "they are a different culture,"
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

and "they don't have racism" (LOL) .... all as "excuses" as to why WE can't do what they did.

What they have--and what we need--is the POLITICAL WILL.
It's past time.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
4. LOTS and lots of shotguns in that pic, and a few SKSs, a few .22s...seem to be all sporting arms. nt
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. Not one of these...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

will accidentally kill a family member, be used in a depressive state to end a life, not be turned in anger at another, not be used to commit a crime, not be used in an act of terrorism.

Not one of these - guaranteed!!!

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
52. You do know
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

that you are more likely to be beaten to death than killed with a rifle like the AR 15 right?

Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
13. Yes they have.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jun 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

And port Arthur was done with a semiautomatic fal. Not these sporting shotguns you see in the thousands.

Do you support destroying bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns here in the US?
 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
14. I relied on a faulty article. There were 13 in the decade before though.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

It seems to have decreased.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
55. They haven't
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jun 2016

had a mass shooting in New Zealand since 1997, despite it being legal to possess the types of weapons banned in Australia. Weapons availability does not seem to be the determining factor for the lack of mass shootings in those two countries in recent years.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
8. Australia doesn't have a 2nd Amendment.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jun 2016

Also, most Americans are in favor of private gun ownership. I don't know how Australians feel.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
64. How come only white people, is your search engine broken ol' hoyt
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jun 2016

There are other open carry groups...Although, not finding any Asian Americans who open carry.














 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
65. There aren't many, snooper. I'm sure you had to look hard to find those. Fact is, gunz as we know
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jun 2016

them nowadays, and gun laws, are pretty much due to white wingers.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
66. nope, not really, didn't look for any Mexican Americans of course they open carry all over too
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

but don't let that stop your memes ol' Hoyt...

DU wouldn't be the same without your input! I mean, a couple posters are close but when it comes to hardcore posting you got it down! Hard Core!

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
56. I know how I feel.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

I've got no problem with private gun ownership here the way it is with tight controls. I'd hate it to be like the US where there's almost weekly mass murders with weapons that mostly have been banned here. I'd hate to have little kids shooting themselves or others because their "responsible' gun owning parents leave loaded guns lying around. I'd hate to go shopping and see fuckwits walking around carrying guns like its the Wild West and they're some sort of hero in their own mind.

I'm very grateful that as a nation our response to a horrific massacre was to say enough is enough, rather than have politicians make speeches and send prayers to the victims, knowing full well they'll be mouthing those same words when the next massacre happens.

On edit: having read through this thread I just want to say I've had a gutful of watching some Americans in the media and on the Internet use their own ignorance to distort things and act as though they're some sort of authority on how the gun laws affect Australia. Fuck the lot of them. I know I feel safer living in a society with sensible gun laws.

procon

(15,805 posts)
9. They're all bent!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

I had to do a double take and look again... the barrels have all been bent. No one is going home with a free sample from that lot!

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
10. I've read compliance with the "buy back" was surprisingly low...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jun 2016

In the neighborhood of 20 % or so, but not sure of the precise figure.

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
11. I'll be honest.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

It may be able to get a ban on assault rifles and *maybe* semi-automatic handguns in the USA, however, I do not foresee getting a ban on revolvers, shotguns or rifles. The hunting culture runs WAY too deep in America for it to happen.
Canada back about 10 years ago, under PM Jean Chretien's Liberal government, tried to institute a long gun registry and it failed miserably. If Canada couldn't do it, we won't be able to either.

We need to focus on assault rifles first. They need to be eliminated...period.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
15. I'm not arguing for or against an assault weapons ban
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

But I do wonder what you mean by "assault rifle"? The weapon used in Orlando is a semi-automatic rifle and functions the same as any of the other of hundreds of types of semi-auto rifles (or pistols) that are publicly available. It isn't a machine-gun or a military weapon.

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
21. We know that machine guns and military weapons are already banned with
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

some exceptions by prior law. I think most people think an assault rifle is the AR-15 used in most of the recent mass killings. I assume it was banned in 1994 and then that law expired. Am I right?

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
23. Good question that I don't know the answer to
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jun 2016

I know that the AWB that expired under Bush banned a lot of weapons and had a lot of exceptions. Not sure where this one falls.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
36. The AR and some AK platform Semi-Auto accoutrements were banned. Sans accoutrements, No.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jun 2016

Millions of semi-auto rifles using the aforementioned platforms (and others) were legally sold during the "ban." IMO, and in the opinion of others, the "ban" proved the biggest boost in sales for semi-auto rifles. The types referenced are, and have been for years, the largest-selling center-fire rifles in the U.S.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
42. Only AR's with a certain number of 'naughty' features were banned.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

So a combination of two things like a pistol grip and a bayonet lug.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
62. No, the AR-15 wasn't banned in 1994. Certain features were banned.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jun 2016

There were over 500,000 AR-15 type rifles sold from 1994-2001 alone.



(This is from the Clinton DOJ report on the efficacy of the AWB-- their conclusion is that it didn't do much.)

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
16. How?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

Will you deal with the massive amounts ofnon-compliance and Collective middle finger most of the owners would give us?

Are you willing to go to door to door to pick them up? I don't know of a single cop (and I know many) that will flat refuse such a order.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
17. Maybe those who advocate door-to-door on DU
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

Could be offered the job and deputized. We would certainly see who is a coward around here lol!

Laha

(407 posts)
20. Yeah, that's freaking hilarious
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

You are laughing at the fact that deranged people will kill because they don't feel they should have to give up their death tools.

Your crazy is showing.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
22. Rather it's your lack of ability to comprehend that's on display here...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jun 2016

Do you advocate seizure of all privately owned firearms by law enforcement?

Laha

(407 posts)
26. Thanks for asking despite resorting to an attack on my intelligence to begin with.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jun 2016

Of course not. It's far more complicated then that. If you have any other specific questions I would be happy to explain how I think so.

Even when it comes to the idea of bans I support the idea of voluntary turn ins - without actually putting any real active effort into hunting down the people who decide not to participate.

Start with policies that will help educate people. There are good examples from other countries of how to handle similar situations, but I really don't expect it to happen all at once.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
43. You expect veneration after attacking my sanity?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jun 2016

I have no objection to the proactive confiscation of firearms from the dangerously mentally ill or other prohibited persons. My original comment was directed at those who want the doors of the law abiding kicked down by the armed state.

Laha

(407 posts)
45. Fair response, thank you
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

I acknowledge that I also made a poor choice in my method of argument.

I'm still not the one who laughed at the idea of someone getting shot.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
49. I wasn't laughing at the thought they would be shot...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jun 2016

Rather that they would avoid every possibility of it while demanding others take the risk in what they acknowledge might lead to a veritable civil war against fellow law abiding citizens. Basically, a variant of the keyboard commando persona.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
58. That's a significant part of the controller wet dream...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

They love the idea of door to door searches and folks getting ransacked and hauled off to jail for failure to comply with feel good laws.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
19. Focusing on a ban of "assault rifles (sic)" is meaningless...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

1). Rifles account for around 2% of all homicides-by-gun in the U.S., and so-called "assault rifles" (a type of machine gun, actually) are a subset of those rifles.

2). The category of semi-automatic rifles based on AR & AK platforms are now the Biggest selling types of center-fire rifles.

3). The AR & AK platform rifles are supplanting traditional hunting rifles due to improved accuracy, mild recoil, and preferred ergonomics. (Hunters make up 19% of gun owners.)

4). A "ban" can't get around the fast-morphing of its modular construction; you ban it, we change it.

5). The semi-auto pistol has supplanted the revolver as the most popular SD weapon. Many millions served.

6). An unfortunate use of the word "first." Pro-2A people are also concerned about "second," "third," "fourth,"...and are "hip to your tricks" (Joni Mitchell)

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
31. It is used, along with semi-auto pistols (VT), a pump shotgun (Navy Yard) and an accumulation of
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jun 2016

Black Cat firecracker powder (Boston). When the Colorado theater shooter's gun with the super duper magazine jammed, he used a shotgun. In my collection I have a semi-auto rifle dating to 1905 which works well; yet it would not fall under the rubric of "assault weapon." And virtually all the routine murders in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. are done with handguns. Banning the gun de jure is a fool's errand. There are many other types which can do the murderous job. Or a bomb.

Yet another (ineffective) assault weapon ban would be as meaningless as the first one.

In answer to your question: There is no way to stop all mass murders; the methodology is demonstrably of no relevance to a killer.

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
33. I want to stop crazy people from getting any gun that can spit out bullets
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jun 2016

so fast they can kill a jillion people in minutes. Can we work on that?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
38. If you want to keep ANY gun out of the hands of an adjudicated incompetent,
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

I will support a Constitutional measure. Be advised that the VT and S Carolina murderers were found to be adjudicated unqualified, but the paperwork (even when judges have a goddam computer sitting on the bench) didn't make it up the pipe. But I am mystified by Hillary Clinton's remarks today about why someone on an FBI watch list should not be asked some questions.

The FBI did that in two sessions!

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
46. They need to ask some questions before they sell him a dangerous weapon that
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jun 2016

can kill 50 people and injure another 53.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
28. Yeah, but they are the guns that yahoos are attracted too. Get rid of them and semi-auto pistols,
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jun 2016

you shut the gun profiteering all but down.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
67. Actually, we need to ban semi-auto pistols too.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016
Which one of these is banned in United States as a threat to people?

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
40. Amazingly, I don't see an AR-15 Bushmaster anywhere in there.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jun 2016

Probably because they had the common sense not to allow ordinary citizens to buy assault rifles even BEFORE their famous gun crackdown.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
51. If you want to create credibility problems on guns
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jun 2016

for national politicians like Obama and Clinton, the messaging and coments on this and other threads are the way to do it.

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ncjustice80

(948 posts)
53. I call it a good start.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jun 2016

Sadly this country has too many ammosexuals to ever do the correct thing (which is repeal the 2a and institute a total firearm ban)

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
61. I've never seen so many 'assault weapons' in one picture...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jun 2016

Oh wait, those are the 'hunting guns' some anti-gunners lie about when they say they don't have a problem with them.

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