Ok. Its mental health

[Fresh_Start]

From now on everyone should be screened for mental health issues...in priority order

1) when they buy a gun EVERYTIME they buy a gun
2) when they threaten violence against anyone including women and children including on the internet EVERYTIME
3) when they lose a job EVERYTIME if they own guns
4) when they get news of major illness EVERYTIME if they own guns
5) whenever they get bad news in life or love EVERYTIME if they own guns
6) whenever they buy bullet proof clothing EVERYTIME
6) when they buy ammunition in quantity EVERYTIME
7) on a periodic basis if none of the other risk factors appear

Its not mental illness...its mental illness combined with guns.

[KamaAina]

1. Is there a shred of evidence that the Orlando shooter was mentally ill?

[Gomez163]

4. They're still putting the evidence in body bags.

[nolabear]

9. Other than him killing 49 people?

I think you mean something like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc., but there's a real problem with the term "mentally ill" since it's a catch-all. With some work people cane screened for past behaviors that indicate a propensity for violence or an inability to make wise decisions. That last is a problem, because then you get into people who drink and use opioids and so forth, so perhaps the screening should just include having been violent without good reason. But then...well,you get the idea.

Seems to me this man may have suffered from some sort of Axis II personality disorder, was filled with rage and hatred, and looked for a way to elevate those feelings by justifying them through connection with an ideology. But man, those guys can pass tests like you wouldn't believe. And someone can in fact appear to be pretty okay and have a breakdown or be triggered by events.

Mind you, I'm in favor of it but it's a very complicated idea.

Meanwhile, the damned assault weapons need to go.

[Fresh_Start]

12. I guess I believe that someone with homicide on their minds

is not the picture of mental health

[BootinUp]

2. How about an assault weapons ban?

[Drahthaardogs]

6. I would settle for not selling guns to people on the FBI's watch list

or Do NOT Fly list...

[BootinUp]

8. Me too if necessary, but my point is we can never keep

all crazies from doing crazy things. Its even more silly than thinking we can deport all undocumented immigrants.

[Gomez163]

3. We should have a psychiatrist booth set up at every Gander Mountain.

[Laffy Kat]

11. What is a Gander Mountain?

[Gomez163]

13. Camping Supply superstore that sells firearms

[Laffy Kat]

14. Oh, OK. We don't have those around here.

But this being Colorado, we have many, many others.

[Happyhippychick]

5. How about when they run for president?

That would rule trump out.

[auntpurl]

7. Statistically speaking, it's probably not.

I humbly submit my own thread on the subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027903964

[Fresh_Start]

10. I agree

I just think that someone with homicidal tendencies is also not mentally healthy.
I would think that it would also show up in mental screening

[Cassiopeia]

15. This guy was screened for mental health for his security job.

Checked into twice by the FBI.

No, the fact is we need to eliminate the guns. It's the only option that will work.

[Fresh_Start]

16. I'm not suggesting checking for prior mental health issues

I'm talking about an entire new battery of tests each and every time

[Cassiopeia]

17. This guy had been through two evaluations for employment with the same company.

It wasn't even a life changing event reevaluation.

No, it's the guns. It is the only answer.

[lancer78]

18. And that will

require repealing the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments.

[Cassiopeia]

19. Well, the 4th and 5th have already been trampled on so much in the last 15 years

That it is of little consequence.

I'm all for enforcing the 2a as originally intended. You can have a smooth bore musket as long as you're active military.

[lancer78]

20. Wow

You know, when I lost my 2 family members to a drunk driver, I was angry, sad, frustrated, but it never crossed my mind to limit others rights because of my tragedy. Now I know what a Nanny-State Liberal sounds like.

[Cassiopeia]

21. Give me a f'in break.

We live in a nanny state from both parties. Try to carry a big lighter or a bottle of water onto an airplane. Go try to buy aerial fireworks and legally set them off (there are a couple of rare exceptions here . Go try to buy a sofa not poisoned with anti flammable liquids. Try walking around with a few ounces of pot.

But hey, let's keep it strict 2a. Go try to buy a fully auto turret mounted .50 cal. A shoulder fired hellfire, an M1A1. An ICBM.

Yeah, there's f'in nanny state all over the place except the one taboo spot, weapons that allow over 100 people to be shot by a single individual in a matter of minutes.