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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:19 AM Jun 2016

The morons at Wonkette are selling a tee shirt depicting HRC holding Trump's severed head




Yeah, yeah. It's a biblical reference- as if that makes it any easier to defend. And of course, the wingnuts have picked up this story and our reacting with predictable hypocritical outrage. T

It's still jaw droppingly stupid to be selling this.

http://wonkette.com/602757/oh-whoops-we-just-forced-you-to-buy-this-shirt-of-hillary-clinton-cutting-off-trumps-head
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The morons at Wonkette are selling a tee shirt depicting HRC holding Trump's severed head (Original Post) cali Jun 2016 OP
That kind of crap doesn't help at all. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #1
The blowback from this hasn't started yet. It will be a big fucking wave cali Jun 2016 #2
Snark travels around the world while insight is putting its boots on Fumesucker Jun 2016 #3
Looks like something republicans would do. Cobalt Violet Jun 2016 #4
Wow, that's a weak-ass photoshop job. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #5
Right? joshcryer Jun 2016 #17
Awful. It plays into the notion that violence is just fine so long as the victors are righteous femmedem Jun 2016 #6
Poe's law. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #13
Too biblical and poor taste. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #7
I would have preferred Gentileschi's version myself. Brickbat Jun 2016 #8
OK, you got me cali Jun 2016 #10
. Brickbat Jun 2016 #11
If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it! Dr. Strange Jun 2016 #35
Best post of the year! nt glennward Jun 2016 #60
The original painting references a Jewish widow who killed an Assyrian general. MADem Jun 2016 #9
I see a lot of hate Trump here. seabeckind Jun 2016 #12
Obviously the opposition notices. I couldn't possibly have made that clearer. cali Jun 2016 #14
Aww, hate against a racist bigot xenophobe! joshcryer Jun 2016 #16
The point I am trying to make is that seabeckind Jun 2016 #18
DU isn't "becoming" anything. Try reading the TOS--it's been the same since 2011. MADem Jun 2016 #32
Has nothing to do with the TOS seabeckind Jun 2016 #36
If you are bashing or trashing Democrats..... MADem Jun 2016 #40
Oh no, it was never intended to be a bash of democrats. seabeckind Jun 2016 #42
When you say "Case in point" that is usually followed by an example. MADem Jun 2016 #43
Not always. seabeckind Jun 2016 #45
A lot of them had constituents who agreed with the notion that Bush should have the "authority" MADem Jun 2016 #47
Whatever helps you sleep at night. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #48
What an odd comment. I don't lose sleep over problematic votes in Congress--in the 90s or later. nt MADem Jun 2016 #49
It refers to a rationalization on your part. seabeckind Jun 2016 #50
You should really stop making the conversation about me--or anyone else with whom you converse. MADem Jun 2016 #54
I calls em as I see em. seabeckind Jun 2016 #57
I'll bet you do. nt MADem Jun 2016 #63
Obviously protected speech. joshcryer Jun 2016 #15
Do they really think this will get her votes? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #19
No. They are using it to sell their product. seabeckind Jun 2016 #20
Wonkette I already intently dislike, I consider thir work (her work?) to be habitually nasty and Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #21
perfectly said. cali Jun 2016 #22
It's Wednesday and the power of speech is returning to me..... Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #23
They're elitists and unhumorous (n/t) PJMcK Jun 2016 #28
Anna Marie Cox (the "her" in Wonkette) stepped away from her editorial duties there years ago. MADem Jun 2016 #33
I doubt you'll see many on the street, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #24
have you written that message about the horrid Hillary products offered? cali Jun 2016 #25
This is gearing up to be the nastiest campaign in my lifetime... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #27
Doubt that will be a big seller for them. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #26
That's dumb PJMcK Jun 2016 #29
Talk of guillotines, tumbrels, Mme. Defarge, "French razor," "French Solution" etc. are a cherished TacoD Jun 2016 #30
NOT something.... LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #31
At Whois, "the morons" seems to be singular, not plural. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #34
decapitation is not a progressive value Amishman Jun 2016 #37
Kinda funny how the wingnuts don't get as worked up about the shit sold AT Trump rallies Major Nikon Jun 2016 #38
Not OK Bettie Jun 2016 #39
I'd consider it par for the course. You don't have to look very hard to find cruel images MADem Jun 2016 #44
The concern is dripping. trumad Jun 2016 #41
you really are... paranoid here, trumad cali Jun 2016 #58
And you are a big yawn. trumad Jun 2016 #59
lol. whatever, darling trumad. You're so cute. cali Jun 2016 #61
Thank you trumad Jun 2016 #62
But when Palin used targets to indicate target states, that was an outrage! Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #46
Hell's bells Seeking Serenity Jun 2016 #51
Boo hoo mwrguy Jun 2016 #52
It's okay when we do it...their poutrage can simmer. ileus Jun 2016 #53
Holofernes apologia. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #55
I would rather have this one. Beacool Jun 2016 #56
What does the original painting portray? What Biblical story? Is there a metaphor here? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #64

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
1. That kind of crap doesn't help at all.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:27 AM
Jun 2016

It's not that Trump supporters are going to see that as the hipsters at Wonkette having a laugh.

It's the fact that it will be seen as "Liberals"...that's right, every last one of them...are no better than ISIS.

I haven't read any of the blowback on this, but I know how their minds work. The pack mentality is going to run this one all the way up the ladder, and by the time they are finished, Hannity will be re-posting Brietbart articles on Facebook "exposing" how Clinton Photoshopped this personally.

I've never been a Wonkette fan...too much snark where there should be insight...but yeah, this is not a golden moment for them.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. The blowback from this hasn't started yet. It will be a big fucking wave
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jun 2016

particularly in the light of the two beheaded Canadians.

It's just moronic.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
5. Wow, that's a weak-ass photoshop job.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jun 2016

I mean, fine if you're just throwing something together in 15 minutes for shits and giggles, but to sell to people on shirts that they would actually consider wearing around?

I'll get around to the content, sure... eventually.

but right now I'm still trying to get my head around anyone paying for such a craptastic copy and paste job.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
17. Right?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jun 2016

I'm more annoyed by the attempt than I am anything else. They could've put more effort into it, for sure.

femmedem

(8,197 posts)
6. Awful. It plays into the notion that violence is just fine so long as the victors are righteous
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jun 2016

and the murdered are in the wrong.

Politically, it's not smart. But I'm less concerned with the politics than I am with the trivialization of violence.

I know it's a joke, but I can't laugh at it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. The original painting references a Jewish widow who killed an Assyrian general.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:49 AM
Jun 2016
https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/404989/judith-with-the-head-of-holofernes

?itok=S4p3Nbdk

I think the market for this work are people who are professional snarksters, not necessarily Clinton fans.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. Obviously the opposition notices. I couldn't possibly have made that clearer.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:01 AM
Jun 2016

duh.

And frankly, much as I think of Skinner- and I do, my estimation of him sadly went down when he decided to start a site where hate was the métier for lining his pockets.

Discussionist is vile and the hate comes from the right there.

As for hating Trump, I prefer to use the word despise. He is a proto hitler. Go read Shirer or Reck.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
18. The point I am trying to make is that
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jun 2016

a campaign built upon hate and fear (and I don't care what terms you use)

doesn't do anyone any good. For every nasty thing that is thrown at Trump, there's an equal an opposite reaction.

DU is becoming a bubble. Denying its own shortcomings by pointing outside.

We have met the enemy and....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. DU isn't "becoming" anything. Try reading the TOS--it's been the same since 2011.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jun 2016

THAT is what DU is--if you don't like it, no one is holding you hostage.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
36. Has nothing to do with the TOS
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

Another right wing talking point argument.

My way or the highway. Love it or leave it.

Lord, it's like 2002 all over again.

And look where that got us.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. If you are bashing or trashing Democrats.....
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jun 2016

is NOT a "right wing talking point." And this has always been a PARTISAN site, so yeah, "Love it or leave it." Your choice--no one is holding any of us hostage.

In fact, people who bash and trash Democrats just might be shopping that very thing.

Not sure what you think happened here in 2002--I seem to recall a very peaceful, civil and unified DU back then. We had a common enemy (who was elected two years prior) and his name was Bush.

seabeckind
36. Has nothing to do with the TOS
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Another right wing talking point argument.

My way or the highway. Love it or leave it.

Lord, it's like 2002 all over again.

And look where that got us.


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seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
42. Oh no, it was never intended to be a bash of democrats.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

The democrats as a whole aren't using right wing talking points.

Many of those who voice sentiment or attitudes more indicative of right of center most definitely are.

Case in point.



MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. When you say "Case in point" that is usually followed by an example.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jun 2016

Would you please elucidate?

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
45. Not always.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016

Sometimes the example precedes the observation.

Like this time....

My way or the highway. If you're not with me, you're against me, etc.

A little review of the rhetoric around the 2002 beating the drums of war would show them all over the place. I had it thrown against me when I demonstrated against it. Then and in the 70s.

Some people took the abuse and stood up to them. Some didn't.

Wasn't it something like 21 democratic senators (and 1 independent) who voted against the Iraq thing? The ones voting for it looked like a rogue's list of third wayers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

oh wait... maybe too vague: This statement right here: if you don't like it, no one is holding you hostage.

(Translated) Love it or leave it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. A lot of them had constituents who agreed with the notion that Bush should have the "authority"
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

(i.e. the clout) should he need it--their mistake was trusting him and his national security team to be reasonable with that blank check.

Of course, IWR or no, Bush would have gone ahead with his plans based on the resolutions that were voted on in the late nineties--the ones that some of those "against" voters voted FOR.

Bush's attitude was always "The Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper" and he wasn't going to let Congress stop him once his mind was made up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. What an odd comment. I don't lose sleep over problematic votes in Congress--in the 90s or later. nt
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
50. It refers to a rationalization on your part.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

A psychological defense to deny a mistake.

IOW, pretend it wasn't a mistake.

But empirical evidence proved that it was. And then you did a little contortion dance to exonerate the senators who stood with Bush.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. You should really stop making the conversation about me--or anyone else with whom you converse.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jun 2016

Speaking of those "psychological defenses" and all.

But I guess that's a "little contortion dance" as well, wouldn't you say, Dr. Freud?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. Wonkette I already intently dislike, I consider thir work (her work?) to be habitually nasty and
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jun 2016

self indulgent with regular helpings of backhanded homophobia. This, a piece which is horrific in concept and botched in execution if you can pardon the pun, is definitive of both what they do and how they do it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. It's Wednesday and the power of speech is returning to me.....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

not a great couple of weeks in the world.....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. Anna Marie Cox (the "her" in Wonkette) stepped away from her editorial duties there years ago.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

She used to frequently reference a sexual practice that wasn't conversed about in polite society, but I think you mistake homophobia in her crude remarks when she was actually referring to a method of virginity retention and birth control. She was rather equal opportunity in that regard.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
24. I doubt you'll see many on the street, but...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

even if you do, why waste outrage on this rather lame product?

Seems the RWNJs are expending enough outrage for all of us. The clowns of DI are getting more apoplectic by the day.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
27. This is gearing up to be the nastiest campaign in my lifetime...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jun 2016

but not nearly the nastiest in history. So far.

So I really don't see any reason to lose it over anyone's idiocy this early in the game.


PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
29. That's dumb
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jun 2016

It's in poor taste, it isn't funny, it won't help Secretary Clinton and the Photoshop work is amateurish.

Thankfully, her campaign will continue on a much higher plane than Wonkette.

TacoD

(581 posts)
30. Talk of guillotines, tumbrels, Mme. Defarge, "French razor," "French Solution" etc. are a cherished
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jun 2016

tradition on DU.

LenaBaby61

(6,973 posts)
31. NOT something....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

I'd EVER Endorse, and certainly not purchase.

This is wrong on so many levels and completely unnecessary.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
34. At Whois, "the morons" seems to be singular, not plural.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016
Domain Name: WONKETTE.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM

Registrant Name: REBECCA SCHOENKOPF
Registrant Organization: WONKETTE
Registrant City: LOS ANGELES

Wikipedia: Wonkette is an American online magazine of topical satire and political gossip, established in 2004 by Gawker Media and founding editor Ana Marie Cox, edited by Ken Layne from 2006 to 2012, and owned and edited by Rebecca Schoenkopf since 2012.[2] Prominent U.S. political bloggers including Juli Weiner, Jim Newell and Alex Pareene established their careers at Wonkette. The current editor is Rebecca Schoenkopf, formerly of OC Weekly. Wonkette covers US politics from Washington DC to local schoolboards.

Taking a sarcastic tone, the site focuses heavily on humorous breaking news, rumors, and the downfall of the powerful.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
39. Not OK
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

in any way.

We'd be outraged if a similar thing was out there with Trump holding Clinton's (or Sanders' or anyone's) head.

Poor taste to say the least.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. I'd consider it par for the course. You don't have to look very hard to find cruel images
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jun 2016

of HRC. The rightwing loves that shit. It is what it is.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
58. you really are... paranoid here, trumad
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:55 AM
Jun 2016

I just think that it's a really bad idea. That simple. No agenda. I want Hillary to beat Trump. No ifs ands or buts.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
46. But when Palin used targets to indicate target states, that was an outrage!
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

The double standard of people who defend things like this when it's liberals, but would be up in arms if the right wing did this, is sickening.

FWIW, I think this is less bad than overt incitement to violence, but I'm still spectacularly unimpressed.

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
51. Hell's bells
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

If über-partisans, on both the left as well as the right, didn't have double standards, they'd likely have no standards at all.

"Hey, if a single standard is good, a double standard has to be twice as good, right?"

Feh

ileus

(15,396 posts)
53. It's okay when we do it...their poutrage can simmer.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016

After November we'll add their heads to the pike.

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
64. What does the original painting portray? What Biblical story? Is there a metaphor here?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016


Just curious?
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