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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sen-chris-murphy-starts-talking-filibuster-over-gun-control-224369Sen. Chris Murphy mounts gun control filibuster
By Burgess Everett
06/15/16 12:19 PM EDT
Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has launched a talking filibuster on the Senate floor in an effort to force Republicans and Democrats to come to an agreement on legislation to deny suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and requiring universal background checks.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sen-chris-murphy-starts-talking-filibuster-over-gun-control-224369#ixzz4BfNwxIGE
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MH1
(17,600 posts)It's important and I am glad he is taking a stand.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)lock, stock, and barrel (no pun intended). But the background checks and terror list issue are just a small beginning of what needs to be done around this issue.
Still: that is how we get things accomplished most effectively, one step at a time.
Go Chris.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)By Russell Blair
June 16, 2016 12:25 PM
A defiant U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy said Wednesday morning that he wouldn't leave the floor of the Senate until his colleagues agreed to take up gun control legislation.
"I'm going to remain on this floor until we get some signal, some sign that we can get a path forward on addressing this epidemic in a meaningful, bipartisan way," Murphy said around 11:30 a.m.
Murphy was joined in his effort by U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal, who rose to ask several questions that in effect took the pressure off Murphy and kept the discussion alive. U.S. Sen. Cory Booker, a Democrat from New Jersey joined Murphy too.
"We are here today to say enough," Booker said. "I've cleared my entire day. I've cleared my evening events so I can stay on this floor and support Senator Murphy as he pushes this body to come to some consensus in the way that the country has already done."
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http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-murphy-gun-control-senate-speech-20160615-story.html
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Also, some GOP senators have expressed support for the idea today: Graham, Cornyn.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)involves putting billions of federal dollars in her and her husband's pockets.
George II
(67,782 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Do we only care about Due process when republicans are in power?
I never got the memo.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)...the due process dodge is priceless. Strange though. I've not heard you "due process" trolls caterwauling about those on the list not being allowed to fly. I guess you don't troll for the airlines. Just for Ruger, Winchester, Colt, H&K, Barrett.....
pintobean
(18,101 posts)was a Southwest Airlines commercial, not a constitutional amendment.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)...long ago extended fundamental rights to include interstate travel, thus government restrictions on such fall under strict scrutiny with respect to due process. It's an inferred or unenumerated right. In laymen's terms, strict scrutiny means the government needs a damn good reason to not allow people to exercise that right to travel on commercial airlines. Turns out the government does have a compelling interest in restricting that right for certain individuals. The same applies to firearm purchases. Speech is an enumerated right and held to a higher standard with respect to restrictions, yet one can't yell fire in a crowded theater. In that case, the government's interest in protecting the public outweighs an asshole's right to be an asshole.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)I don't completely agree with the government's logic on the issue, but a person on the no-fly list can still travel from state to state (which is more what the 'right to trave' is about.)
paleotn
(17,911 posts)... is still a restriction on travel in a practical sense. One can argue that it's an undue burden when it comes to traveling east coast to west coast and visa versa, and thus a violation of due process. The government's compelling interest is to keep certain people off commercial aircraft for the protection of pubic safety. The same reasoning applies to firearm purchases by those on the terror watch list, insane people or felons.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)A private conveyance has no legal duty to carry anyone, contractual obligations aside. (Barring public accommodation rules like the CRA.)
There is no 'right to free speech' on private property, no 'free exercise of religion' on private property.
I can ask you to leave my home because you said the word 'chartreuse', and that's not an infringement of the right protected by the first amendment.
Similarly, if I'm running a commercial airline, I could legally say that nobody with the first name "Brian" can fly on my airline.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)...but I'm not going to follow you. Does the government in certain circumstances such as public safety have the right to restrict your enumerated and inferred constitutional rights? Yes they do. End of story.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)AllyCat
(16,177 posts)Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)extraordinary situation that calls for extraordinary measures.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Who is on the watchlist and why? How does one appeal their status?
Murphys position is little more than grandstanding.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)You seem to be under the misapprehension that someone claimed that the second covers due process.
Please point to that post.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)mrr303am
(159 posts)You, yourself may be on the list, along with everyone posting here, but don't know it. There have been many citizens that found out they were on the list when they tried boarding a plane and they were red flagged as being on the No Fly List. The list is kept secret, so if you want to know if you're on it try boarding a flight and see if they allow you to board or not.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)Want to try again?
Just reading posts
(688 posts)I'll let Ben Franklin speak for me on this one:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)....at times government has a compelling interest in restricting rights and foregoing due process. Again, it's awfully strange you've not been shouting DUE PROCESS! from the roof tops about those on the list not being able to board a commercial aircraft. Only when it comes to your precious I suppose. It's a very well developed area of the law, and you don't have a foot to stand on.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)I'm against them, period.
Happy?
paleotn
(17,911 posts)...The government's duty to protect the public trumps the rights of you and those on the terror watch list in certain circumstances. People's lives are NOT the price we must pay for crackpot absolutists to exercise their rights completely unrestrained. If you don't like it, you and they are perfectly free to exercise your totally unrestricted rights in say....Somalia. Be my guest. Matter of fact, I'd chip in on the airfare.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)riights without due process. It appear you are. Tell me, will you still be a fan of such things if Trump wins in November?
If you don't like it, you and they are perfectly free to exercise your totally unrestricted rights in say....Somalia. Be my guest. Matter of fact, I'd chip in on the airfare.
Your version of America, Love It Or Leave It.
How progressive of you. indeed.
Justice
(7,185 posts)Even the right to free speech has limits. Reasonable restrictions like real background checks, registration including no fly, no buy will pass muster - particularly with a process that allows for appeal to get off no fly.
drm604
(16,230 posts)They have a caption that says "Sen. Dems Filibuster on gun control".
This makes it sound like they're blocking gun control.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)"the hell with the constitution if it suites my agenda!"
mopinko
(70,078 posts)it is clearly constitutional. it made a big difference.
Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)The AWB was an abject failure, it made no difference at all. Note that rifle used in Newtown was AWB compliant.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)"Should it be renewed, the bans effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."
Hell, 2x more AR-15 type rifles were sold during the ban than the 10 years previous.
from http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/research/aw_final2004.pdf
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Just reading posts
(688 posts)BootinUp
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)... but only when it doesn't inconvenience you?
Is that the game now?
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)pandr32
(11,579 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)giving guns to people you don't know would be responsible with it.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)but will accept his input regardless of motives.
forgotmylogin
(7,527 posts)And insurance should be maintained by the owner, listing all the guns they own as well as permitted users...just like a car.
Insurance should be required to purchase a gun, and registration forms sent to the government.
If a registered gun kills someone, the owner and their insurance is responsible unless the owner officially reported it stolen. When a firearm is stolen or missing, the law should require notifying law enforcement within 24 hours.
Yes, there will still be a black market for weapons, but then sentences could be higher for use of unregistered weapons.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)We should really, really go after the NRA. There have to be more of us anti NRA than pro.
That organization has no brains and no soul, when 5 year olds being shot in the face won't budge them they are basically a terrorist organization.
I have never owned or even shot a gun and have never worried about jackbooted thugs kicking in my door. So quit that talking point, it's nonsense.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)to come into other states. And this is why it must be addressed with Federal law.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)who have lost loved ones in recent mass killings.
BootinUp
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(47,141 posts)and internationally.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Sen. Murphy responds that reducing hate toward minorities is an important piece. And that the type of assault weapons with high capacity clips have no place in a civil society.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I've not heard that claim or seen data on that.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)The conversation today is about an increasing phenomenon of our time mass murders.
The numbers in this area are compelling.
A group called Mayors Against Illegal Guns did a study of all mass shootings between 2009 and 2013.
They found that assault weapons or high-capacity magazines were used 23 percent of the time. And they found a clear difference in those cases.
The average casualty rate of mass shootings with non-assault guns was 7 shot and 5.4 killed.
The average with assault rifles or high-capacity magazines was 15.6 shot and 8.3 killed. In other words, more than double the total shot and 50 percent more deaths.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)which means he thinks there is data on mass shootings before 1994 and during the 10 year AWB showing few mass shootings.
Never heard of that before.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Apparently, the FBI had cleared Mateen and wasn't on the no fly list when he purchased firearms.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)whether its climate change or gun violence research.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)no indication from the Republicans that there would be a debate on the issue.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)About meeting with the NRA?
No the media is talking about the alligator snatching the child and Orlando massacre. If a rethug was filibustering they would be covering this.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Why not? The Senate won't accomplish any more today with this filibuster than it does any other day with McConnell as majority leader.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)I hope they are successful.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I cant find it at http://www.gao.gov/
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Hillary Clinton Verified account
?@HillaryClinton
Hillary Clinton Retweeted Chris Murphy
Some fights are too important to stay silent. Preventing gun violence is one of them. Stand strong @ChrisMurphyCT.
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/743157530780655616
Chris Murphy Verified account
?@ChrisMurphyCT
I am prepared to stand on the Senate floor and talk about the need to prevent gun violence for as long as I can. I've had #Enough
riversedge
(70,187 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)They can say one of two things:
Let's deal, we were wrong on this issue all along
Or
Everything with guns is fine as it is and American lives don't matter
Paging Mitch McConnell ..... Mitch???
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Told a story of a recent murder-suicide where the killer bought a gun while avoiding background checks.
Response to BootinUp (Reply #82)
BootinUp This message was self-deleted by its author.
elljay
(1,178 posts)If out of this filibuster we manage to get the smallest movement on regulating guns, it will be a stinging defeat for the NRA and a sign that the tide is turning against them. What interests me is what happens next. Do they rest on their laurels or keep fighting the good fight?
BootinUp
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(47,141 posts)ISeeA BrightFuture
(22 posts)See the fillibuster live and chat about it here:
SIGN A PETITION TO DEMAND STRONGER GUN LAWS HERE:
http://go.boldpac.com/page/s/filibuster?source=MS_EM_PET_2016.06.15_B2_filibuster_X__F1_S1_C1__all
Send him a "I stand with you note" and thank you note at his office:
https://www.murphy.senate.gov/contact
CALL CONGRESS TODAY AND TELL THEM TO ACT HERE:
http://act.everytown.org/call/disarm-hate-calls/?akid=3649.4207961.1YoGC4&rd=1&source=emne_orlando-calls&t=2&utm_campaign=orlando-calls&utm_medium=_e&utm_source=em_n_
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(47,141 posts)L. Coyote
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(47,141 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)livetohike
(22,138 posts)BootinUp
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(47,141 posts)mcar
(42,302 posts)ecstatic
(32,685 posts)50 is apparently not enough. Will it take 100? 200? They have blood on their hands! I really hope Americans are paying attention to this.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)The Dems are doing AMAZING!!!
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)livetohike
(22,138 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)"Silence is not enough!" Tammy Baldwin.
AWESOME.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Heartbreaking.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I didn't know her very well before this. She seems extremely compassionate, and did I hear her mention earlier she is LGBT?
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)You can tell she is extremely emotional, but she is holding it together very well and being compassionate yet strong.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)She's countering the typical right-wing demonization of the LGBT community by appropriately affirming their humanity.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Every Democrat should be watching this.
calimary
(81,220 posts)Use 'em! Weigh in. Let the Dems know you have their back! And if you have the misfortune to be "represented" by some CON, even better! They, too, need to know that they're on the wrong side here. They need to know there's a tsunami bearing down on them. Some of the Senate CONS who are up for reelection are already destabilized, like kirk, and ayotte, and are painfully aware that the tsunami may well wash their Senate seats away.
They're already feeling the hot gusts from a raging fire. (Hey, I could keep up with the metaphors all day!)
Congressional CONS need to hear this, too.
If they think you don't care, they won't, either!
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(47,141 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)BootinUp
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(47,141 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Until they do ANYTHING.
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(47,141 posts)livetohike
(22,138 posts)BootinUp
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(47,141 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)I hate America's media whores!
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(47,141 posts)spanone
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(47,141 posts)lunamagica
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(47,141 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)I hope he talks for another 3 days. Let the RKBA fuckers squirm in their seats in the face of this filibuster and more uncomfortable questions until they relent and we get real movement on gun-control.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)The boy and his aide were shot dead at Sandy Hook.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)but the professor didn't survive.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)She was one of a handful of D Senators who voted against background checks the last time this came up.
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(47,141 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)BootinUp
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(47,141 posts)babylonsister
(171,056 posts)riversedge
(70,187 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-launch-filibuster-on-guns_us_57617afae4b0df4d586ec7b5?section=
AdChoices
POLITICS
Democrats Launch Filibuster-Style Blockade On Guns
Senators vow to keep talking until lawmakers agree to do something to deal with Americas massacre problem.
06/15/2016 12:26 pm ET | Updated 23 minutes ago
Michael McAuliff Senior Congressional Reporter, The Huffington Post
WASHINGTON Led by the senators who represent Newtown, Connecticut where a gunman fatally shot 26 people, including 20 children, in 2012 Democrats took control of the Senate floor Wednesday and vowed to keep talking until lawmakers start doing something about gun violence.
Newtown is still putting itself back together, probably will be for a long time, said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who launched the filibuster-style takeover, declaring it was time for the Senate to do something about gun violence beyond the usual ineffective debates.
He said lawmakers could not go about business as usual after a mass killing at a gay club in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday claimed 49 victims.
This is a different moment today than it was at the end of last week, Murphy said. There is a newfound imperative for this body to find a way to come together and take action, to try to do our part to stem this epidemic of gun violence and in particular this epidemic of mass shootings.
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BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Powerful stuff. History.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)It's unbelievable how many there have been.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)I didn't see it until now.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)It's a no-brainer!
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)If you don't support the filibuster get the fuck out of DU! Why was there a need to request that?
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)...but everything keeps crashing.
Still, onward. This filibuster is long overdue, and it's the right thing to do.
allinthegame
(132 posts)On Slate.
What a great thing to see if only for a short time.
Would that something will come of it
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)ThinkProgress
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The 5 most compelling moments from the Senate Democrats filibuster for gun control http://thkpr.gs/3789026
9:30 AM - 15 Jun 2016
80 80 Retweets 68 68 likes
https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/15/hate-will-not-win/
blue neen
(12,319 posts)There were so many touching and important moments where the Senators told of their contacts with victims and their families.
Cha
(297,154 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)lupinella
(365 posts)Sen. Murphy may I extend a big thank you & a hug from Orlando.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)And all who supported your effort!
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Have we forgotten that Omar Mateen had extensive background checks in respect to his job? The FBI did interview him more than once and did nothing. I'm confused.
calimary
(81,220 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)You ARE One Super Fantastic Man with A Heart Of Gold and The STRENGTH of a LION! I know you've fought for and talked about this before!
THANK YOU AGAIN!
librarylu
(503 posts)How could anyone be unmoved by this?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/filibuster-earns-votes-new-gun-reform-talk-707319363839