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BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:32 PM Jun 2016

Please Rec if you support Sen. Murphy's Filibuster for Gun control (live video link)

Last edited Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sen-chris-murphy-starts-talking-filibuster-over-gun-control-224369


Sen. Chris Murphy mounts gun control filibuster

By Burgess Everett

06/15/16 12:19 PM EDT

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has launched a talking filibuster on the Senate floor in an effort to force Republicans and Democrats to come to an agreement on legislation to deny suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and requiring universal background checks.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/sen-chris-murphy-starts-talking-filibuster-over-gun-control-224369#ixzz4BfNwxIGE
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Please Rec if you support Sen. Murphy's Filibuster for Gun control (live video link) (Original Post) BootinUp Jun 2016 OP
I don't know if it will accomplish anything, but I applaud the effort. MH1 Jun 2016 #1
Of course I'm with him frazzled Jun 2016 #2
Murphy, Blumenthal and Booker pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #3
CNN saying work is going on feverishly to close the gun loophole. BootinUp Jun 2016 #4
CNN also reporting Sen. Feinstein is working on a solution. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #10
I assume her solution SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #16
That is highly offensive. Please consider self-deleting it. George II Jun 2016 #196
Im confused Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #5
Bingo. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #7
And the sales! Just think of the lost sales! paleotn Jun 2016 #30
Free to move about the country pintobean Jun 2016 #38
SCOTUS.... paleotn Jun 2016 #45
The right to travel doesn't mean the right to get on a private plane. X_Digger Jun 2016 #59
A restriction on mode of travel... paleotn Jun 2016 #64
They (the govt) don't use that reasoning. It's flawed. X_Digger Jun 2016 #68
Nice rabbit hole your going down,.... paleotn Jun 2016 #77
Airlines & the no-fly list don't use the same reasoning you propose. *shrug* n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #79
That's what Sen. Murphy and Manchin just covered too. BootinUp Jun 2016 #39
+1000 Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #187
Put down your gun. You'll be less confused. AllyCat Jun 2016 #163
You mean the decades of republicans blocking any progress on this issue? It is due because it is an Maraya1969 Jun 2016 #185
Unrec. Restrictions on 2nd amendment rights should be subject fm due process. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #6
Interpretation of 2nd amend, is questionable.Ban assault weapons used to be the law. bjobotts Jun 2016 #14
Your post has nothing to do with mine. I was commenting on the terror watch list. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #17
Just FYI, due precess is a different amendment, not the Second. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #75
Due process applies to all rights. X_Digger Jun 2016 #90
Hint: it's in the fifth, and repeated in the fourteenth FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #143
And it applies to all rights, not just the right protected by the second. X_Digger Jun 2016 #147
No shit. But you can't infringe on 2nd amendment rights without due process. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #96
Only Homeland Security knows who's on the list. mrr303am Jun 2016 #61
Nope. Violates due process. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #8
Yep. Governments compelling interest to protect the public.... paleotn Jun 2016 #49
Not willing to throw away due process. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #53
It's not a suicide pact... paleotn Jun 2016 #57
Suicide? If these people on secret lists aren't kept from buying guns the nation will be destroyed? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #62
Sorry, but your rights end precisely where another's right to live begins. paleotn Jun 2016 #72
I'm not in favor of people being put on secret government lists that restrict their constitutional Just reading posts Jun 2016 #108
You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. Justice Jun 2016 #182
MSNBC is reporting this in a very misleading manner. drm604 Jun 2016 #9
Sen. Blumenthal has the floor. video link in OP. BootinUp Jun 2016 #11
Sen. Murphy: let's not allow the perfect be the enemy of the good BootinUp Jun 2016 #12
Translation Crepuscular Jun 2016 #15
restore the damn assault weapons ban. mopinko Jun 2016 #13
Delusional Crepuscular Jun 2016 #19
Not according to a study funded by the Clinton DoJ. X_Digger Jun 2016 #37
Guess I need to post this here too: L. Coyote Jun 2016 #91
You mean after the FBI changed the definition in 2004? n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #93
It accomplished nothing. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #51
Sen. Murphy - Let's make a start... work out more controversial parts later BootinUp Jun 2016 #18
Sen. Bill Nelson D-FL showing pictures of the weapon used in Orlando BootinUp Jun 2016 #20
Right on Sen. Murphy!! n/t 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #21
Due process... TipTok Jun 2016 #22
.... rbrnmw Jun 2016 #23
Sen. Nelson talking about the blood stained shoes of a trauma surgeon BootinUp Jun 2016 #24
Sen. Schumer thanking the members for following the rules to get a vote on the issue. BootinUp Jun 2016 #25
Absolutely! floriduck Jun 2016 #26
Let's show him some love pandr32 Jun 2016 #27
Wow. An actual filibuster! ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #28
Sen. Schumer talking about how background checks are avoided under current law. BootinUp Jun 2016 #29
Very much rec. paleotn Jun 2016 #31
Sen. Manchin-WV on the floor now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #32
And, wouldn't be great if they closed the gun show loophole as well? n/t Stonepounder Jun 2016 #33
Manchin talking about that, about WV gun culture includes not selling or BootinUp Jun 2016 #34
MANCHION??? I Had Better Not PROCEED... ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #200
Guns need to be registered yearly like cars. forgotmylogin Jun 2016 #138
Finally Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #35
Manchin and Murphy saying this is not a secret agenda that will be expanded on nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #36
Good For Him colsohlibgal Jun 2016 #40
Sen. Blumenthal talking about how States with weaker laws allow guns BootinUp Jun 2016 #41
Sen. Blumenthal saying the proposed measures would provide hope to the families BootinUp Jun 2016 #42
Sen. Cardin speaking on the floor. BootinUp Jun 2016 #43
Sen. Cardin talking about progress on LGBT rights both domestically BootinUp Jun 2016 #44
He asks Sen. Murphy what kind of strategy is needed, BootinUp Jun 2016 #46
Sen. Markey speaking. BootinUp Jun 2016 #47
Murphy said that the 1994 led to a diminution of mass shootings. Anyone have data on that? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #48
This is one data point: BootinUp Jun 2016 #54
I'm familiar with those data, but he said the AWB diminished mass shootings aikoaiko Jun 2016 #56
Sen. Markey - The NRA controls the agenda of the US Senate BootinUp Jun 2016 #50
Markey says over 2000 people on terror watch list have bought firearms. Any crimes with those guns? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #52
Sen. Markey - Why can't we fund the research? Because the NRA won't allow it BootinUp Jun 2016 #55
Sen Murphy - The areas of research should be left up to scientists BootinUp Jun 2016 #58
Sen. Durbin speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #60
Sen. Durbin thanking Sen. Murphy for holding the floor on this issue, since there was BootinUp Jun 2016 #63
The bigger the shake-up the better. . . .n/t annabanana Jun 2016 #65
Will the media report this or will they talk about don the con Twitter statement kimbutgar Jun 2016 #66
Anderson Cooper just teased it on CNN--coming up after break. nt pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #74
K/R Jack Rabbit Jun 2016 #67
I applaud brave Senators mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #69
kick MariaThinks Jun 2016 #70
Can anyone provide a link to the referenced GOA report? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #71
I assume that the 2010 report is the one being referred to... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #84
Ok, I thought one of the speakers said it just came out. Thank yo. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #87
Happy to kick this. GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #73
Hillary Clinton Retweeted Chris Murphy BootinUp Jun 2016 #76
Good to see. Thanks for posting riversedge Jun 2016 #171
I hope the GOP is cornered on this one bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #78
Watching a Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI) talking about the Orlando victims now... BootinUp Jun 2016 #80
He is doing a great job of justifying universal background checks. BootinUp Jun 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Jun 2016 #105
This is just a start elljay Jun 2016 #81
Sen. Casey - PA speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #83
Sen. Casey describing his Bill which addresses hate crimes BootinUp Jun 2016 #85
for convicted mis-demeanor hate crimes the offender would be denied the right to fire arms BootinUp Jun 2016 #88
YOU CAN MAKE THIS A STRONGER MESSAGE HERE!!!!!!! STEP UP!!!!!!!!!! ISeeA BrightFuture Jun 2016 #86
+1 BootinUp Jun 2016 #92
Watching LIVE on C-SPAN L. Coyote Jun 2016 #89
Sen. Ron Wyden - OR speaking now. Mass Killings are happening like clock work. BootinUp Jun 2016 #94
In 90% of the cases, 223 persons on Terrorist Watch List were able to buy a gun in 2015. BootinUp Jun 2016 #95
Sen. Warren - MA speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #97
Sen. Merkley - OR speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #98
Sen. Blumenthal speaking again. BootinUp Jun 2016 #99
Sen. Menendez - NJ speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #100
Sen. Menendez - We have become desensitized to the violence. BootinUp Jun 2016 #101
Menendez - Orlando was one of 43 shootings this past Sunday. BootinUp Jun 2016 #102
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen - NH speaking now BootinUp Jun 2016 #103
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #104
Sen. Claire McCaskell speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #106
Hopefully my senators, Boxer and Feinstein will be up soon. Wonder if Sanders will as well Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #107
Sen. Mark Warner speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #109
Senator Klobuchar speaking now. n/t livetohike Jun 2016 #110
TY BootinUp Jun 2016 #111
Sen. Barbara Mikulski speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #112
Sen. Sherrod Brown -OH speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #113
Sen. Debbie Stabenow - MI speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #114
Big kick! mcar Jun 2016 #115
How many people need to be killed in one incident for repugs to get it? ecstatic Jun 2016 #116
Kick! auntpurl Jun 2016 #117
Sen. Tom Carper just finished speaking. BootinUp Jun 2016 #118
Sen. Tammy Baldwin - WI speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #119
Senator Tammy Baldwin (D) Wisconsin speaking now. n/t livetohike Jun 2016 #120
"Can't tell you how many times I've had a moment of silence here in the Senate" auntpurl Jun 2016 #121
Baldwin lovingly describing each victim now. auntpurl Jun 2016 #122
Tammy is the best person to do it. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #126
She is wonderful. auntpurl Jun 2016 #127
She was the first openly gay woman Senator. BootinUp Jun 2016 #128
Wonderful. auntpurl Jun 2016 #129
Sen. Baldwin's describing the victims in detail meow2u3 Jun 2016 #123
K&R!! Stevepol Jun 2016 #124
Up to the top you go! auntpurl Jun 2016 #125
Kicking, simply because of the TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers in my sig line. calimary Jun 2016 #130
Sen. Tom Udall - NM speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #131
those people on the asile did this felgercarbe to us too many times . turn the tables . wink. allan01 Jun 2016 #132
Sen. Michael Bennet - CO speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #133
Sen. Mazie Hirono - HI speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #134
Sen. Martin Heinrich - NM speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #135
Rec and Kicking. blue neen Jun 2016 #136
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #137
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse - RI speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #139
Shut The Senate Down scottie55 Jun 2016 #140
Sen. Jack Reed - RI speaking now BootinUp Jun 2016 #141
Sen. Cory Booker - NJ speaking now at the 8.5 Hour mark. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #142
Senator Blumenthal (D) Connecticut speaking now. n/t livetohike Jun 2016 #144
Sen. Richard Blumenthal - CT speaking again. BootinUp Jun 2016 #145
Sen. Robert Casey - PA speaking again. BootinUp Jun 2016 #146
Senator Angus King (I) Maine speaking now. livetohike Jun 2016 #148
Sen. Angus S. King Jr. - I - ME speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #149
NBC Nightly News DID NOT cover this story perdita9 Jun 2016 #150
Sen. Joe Donnelly - (D - IN) speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #151
K&R.... spanone Jun 2016 #152
Sen. Richard Durbin (D - IL) speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #153
I wish I could rec a MILLION times! lunamagica Jun 2016 #154
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D - OH) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #155
Sen. Charles Schumer (D - NY) speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #156
FILIBUSTER UPDATE: PLEASE READ BootinUp Jun 2016 #157
Very proud of my Senator. Chan790 Jun 2016 #188
Sen. Amy Klobuchar - (D - MN) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #158
What a sad and touching story she told about the mom of the autistic boy. blue neen Jun 2016 #159
Sen. Maria Cantwell - (D - WA) speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #160
Sen. Tim Kaine - (D - VA) speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #161
He's talking about a professor at Virginia Tech who saved a lot of his students' lives, blue neen Jun 2016 #162
I notice Heidi Heitkamp is not participating... brooklynite Jun 2016 #164
Its possible I missed one, but I haven't seen her there. BootinUp Jun 2016 #166
C-SPAN has a periodic crawl showing participants. Haven't seen her name mentioned. brooklynite Jun 2016 #167
Sen. Joe Donnelly - (D - IN) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #165
Sen. Schatz, Brian - (D - HI) speaking now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #168
Highly recommend. Spines found! nt babylonsister Jun 2016 #169
Sen. Tammy Baldwin speaking now. LIVE link to Senate from Huff Post.... riversedge Jun 2016 #170
Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #172
She's reading off the casualty counts of all the mass murders since before 08 Rose Siding Jun 2016 #173
Mass shootings of just the past 10 years. blue neen Jun 2016 #174
Sen. Jeff Merkley (D - OR) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #175
I was rec #299 herding cats Jun 2016 #176
OK, have a rec Dem2 Jun 2016 #177
Sen. Robert P.Casey, Jr. - (D - PA) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #178
K&R Tanta Jun 2016 #179
Sen. Angus S. King Jr. (I - ME) speaking again now. BootinUp Jun 2016 #180
Why "Rec if you support..." ???? sunnystarr Jun 2016 #181
Recommend, kick, etc. Now if I could only stream the video... CBHagman Jun 2016 #183
Excellent Feed allinthegame Jun 2016 #186
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #184
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2016 #189
Mahalo, Boot! Thank you, Senator Murphy! Cha Jun 2016 #190
Senator Amy Klobuchar's story was especially compelling, also. blue neen Jun 2016 #192
I know blue neen.. thank you! Cha Jun 2016 #193
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #191
Thank you lupinella Jun 2016 #194
Thank you Senator Murphy! redwitch Jun 2016 #195
I assume this action has come about because of the horror in Orlando. snappyturtle Jun 2016 #197
This is one of those cases in which I wish we could recommend a thread multiple times. calimary Jun 2016 #198
THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH CHRIS MURPHY! ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #199
I wish Senator Murphy could be my senator. librarylu Jun 2016 #201

MH1

(17,600 posts)
1. I don't know if it will accomplish anything, but I applaud the effort.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

It's important and I am glad he is taking a stand.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Of course I'm with him
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

lock, stock, and barrel (no pun intended). But the background checks and terror list issue are just a small beginning of what needs to be done around this issue.

Still: that is how we get things accomplished most effectively, one step at a time.

Go Chris.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
3. Murphy, Blumenthal and Booker
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016
Murphy, Blumenthal Filibuster Senate To Push For Gun Control Debate
By Russell Blair
June 16, 2016 12:25 PM

A defiant U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy said Wednesday morning that he wouldn't leave the floor of the Senate until his colleagues agreed to take up gun control legislation.

"I'm going to remain on this floor until we get some signal, some sign … that we can get a path forward on addressing this epidemic in a meaningful, bipartisan way," Murphy said around 11:30 a.m.

Murphy was joined in his effort by U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal, who rose to ask several questions that in effect took the pressure off Murphy and kept the discussion alive. U.S. Sen. Cory Booker, a Democrat from New Jersey joined Murphy too.

"We are here today to say enough," Booker said. "I've cleared my entire day. I've cleared my evening events … so I can stay on this floor and support Senator Murphy as he pushes this body to come to some consensus in the way that the country has already done."

...

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-murphy-gun-control-senate-speech-20160615-story.html

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
4. CNN saying work is going on feverishly to close the gun loophole.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016

Also, some GOP senators have expressed support for the idea today: Graham, Cornyn.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
16. I assume her solution
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jun 2016

involves putting billions of federal dollars in her and her husband's pockets.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
30. And the sales! Just think of the lost sales!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

...the due process dodge is priceless. Strange though. I've not heard you "due process" trolls caterwauling about those on the list not being allowed to fly. I guess you don't troll for the airlines. Just for Ruger, Winchester, Colt, H&K, Barrett.....

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
38. Free to move about the country
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

was a Southwest Airlines commercial, not a constitutional amendment.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
45. SCOTUS....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

...long ago extended fundamental rights to include interstate travel, thus government restrictions on such fall under strict scrutiny with respect to due process. It's an inferred or unenumerated right. In laymen's terms, strict scrutiny means the government needs a damn good reason to not allow people to exercise that right to travel on commercial airlines. Turns out the government does have a compelling interest in restricting that right for certain individuals. The same applies to firearm purchases. Speech is an enumerated right and held to a higher standard with respect to restrictions, yet one can't yell fire in a crowded theater. In that case, the government's interest in protecting the public outweighs an asshole's right to be an asshole.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
59. The right to travel doesn't mean the right to get on a private plane.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jun 2016

I don't completely agree with the government's logic on the issue, but a person on the no-fly list can still travel from state to state (which is more what the 'right to trave' is about.)

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
64. A restriction on mode of travel...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jun 2016

... is still a restriction on travel in a practical sense. One can argue that it's an undue burden when it comes to traveling east coast to west coast and visa versa, and thus a violation of due process. The government's compelling interest is to keep certain people off commercial aircraft for the protection of pubic safety. The same reasoning applies to firearm purchases by those on the terror watch list, insane people or felons.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
68. They (the govt) don't use that reasoning. It's flawed.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jun 2016

A private conveyance has no legal duty to carry anyone, contractual obligations aside. (Barring public accommodation rules like the CRA.)

There is no 'right to free speech' on private property, no 'free exercise of religion' on private property.

I can ask you to leave my home because you said the word 'chartreuse', and that's not an infringement of the right protected by the first amendment.

Similarly, if I'm running a commercial airline, I could legally say that nobody with the first name "Brian" can fly on my airline.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
77. Nice rabbit hole your going down,....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

...but I'm not going to follow you. Does the government in certain circumstances such as public safety have the right to restrict your enumerated and inferred constitutional rights? Yes they do. End of story.

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
185. You mean the decades of republicans blocking any progress on this issue? It is due because it is an
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jun 2016

extraordinary situation that calls for extraordinary measures.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
6. Unrec. Restrictions on 2nd amendment rights should be subject fm due process.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

Who is on the watchlist and why? How does one appeal their status?

Murphys position is little more than grandstanding.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
90. Due process applies to all rights.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016

"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
147. And it applies to all rights, not just the right protected by the second.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jun 2016

You seem to be under the misapprehension that someone claimed that the second covers due process.

Please point to that post.

 

mrr303am

(159 posts)
61. Only Homeland Security knows who's on the list.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jun 2016

You, yourself may be on the list, along with everyone posting here, but don't know it. There have been many citizens that found out they were on the list when they tried boarding a plane and they were red flagged as being on the No Fly List. The list is kept secret, so if you want to know if you're on it try boarding a flight and see if they allow you to board or not.

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
53. Not willing to throw away due process.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

I'll let Ben Franklin speak for me on this one:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
57. It's not a suicide pact...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

....at times government has a compelling interest in restricting rights and foregoing due process. Again, it's awfully strange you've not been shouting DUE PROCESS! from the roof tops about those on the list not being able to board a commercial aircraft. Only when it comes to your precious I suppose. It's a very well developed area of the law, and you don't have a foot to stand on.

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
62. Suicide? If these people on secret lists aren't kept from buying guns the nation will be destroyed?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016
Again, it's awfully strange you've not been shouting DUE PROCESS! from the roof tops about those on the list not being able to board a commercial aircraft. Only when it comes to your precious I suppose.

I'm against them, period.

Happy?

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
72. Sorry, but your rights end precisely where another's right to live begins.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

...The government's duty to protect the public trumps the rights of you and those on the terror watch list in certain circumstances. People's lives are NOT the price we must pay for crackpot absolutists to exercise their rights completely unrestrained. If you don't like it, you and they are perfectly free to exercise your totally unrestricted rights in say....Somalia. Be my guest. Matter of fact, I'd chip in on the airfare.

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
108. I'm not in favor of people being put on secret government lists that restrict their constitutional
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

riights without due process. It appear you are. Tell me, will you still be a fan of such things if Trump wins in November?

If you don't like it, you and they are perfectly free to exercise your totally unrestricted rights in say....Somalia. Be my guest. Matter of fact, I'd chip in on the airfare.

Your version of America, Love It Or Leave It.

How progressive of you. indeed.

Justice

(7,185 posts)
182. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jun 2016

Even the right to free speech has limits. Reasonable restrictions like real background checks, registration including no fly, no buy will pass muster - particularly with a process that allows for appeal to get off no fly.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
9. MSNBC is reporting this in a very misleading manner.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jun 2016

They have a caption that says "Sen. Dems Filibuster on gun control".

This makes it sound like they're blocking gun control.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
19. Delusional
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

The AWB was an abject failure, it made no difference at all. Note that rifle used in Newtown was AWB compliant.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
37. Not according to a study funded by the Clinton DoJ.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

"Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."

Hell, 2x more AR-15 type rifles were sold during the ban than the 10 years previous.



from http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/research/aw_final2004.pdf

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
34. Manchin talking about that, about WV gun culture includes not selling or
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

giving guns to people you don't know would be responsible with it.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
138. Guns need to be registered yearly like cars.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jun 2016

And insurance should be maintained by the owner, listing all the guns they own as well as permitted users...just like a car.

Insurance should be required to purchase a gun, and registration forms sent to the government.

If a registered gun kills someone, the owner and their insurance is responsible unless the owner officially reported it stolen. When a firearm is stolen or missing, the law should require notifying law enforcement within 24 hours.

Yes, there will still be a black market for weapons, but then sentences could be higher for use of unregistered weapons.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
40. Good For Him
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

We should really, really go after the NRA. There have to be more of us anti NRA than pro.

That organization has no brains and no soul, when 5 year olds being shot in the face won't budge them they are basically a terrorist organization.

I have never owned or even shot a gun and have never worried about jackbooted thugs kicking in my door. So quit that talking point, it's nonsense.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
41. Sen. Blumenthal talking about how States with weaker laws allow guns
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

to come into other states. And this is why it must be addressed with Federal law.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
42. Sen. Blumenthal saying the proposed measures would provide hope to the families
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

who have lost loved ones in recent mass killings.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
46. He asks Sen. Murphy what kind of strategy is needed,
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

Sen. Murphy responds that reducing hate toward minorities is an important piece. And that the type of assault weapons with high capacity clips have no place in a civil society.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
48. Murphy said that the 1994 led to a diminution of mass shootings. Anyone have data on that?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

I've not heard that claim or seen data on that.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
54. This is one data point:
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20160614/mark-patinkin-semiautomatics-weapon-of-choice-for-mass-murderers

But it seems to me there’s still one compelling reason for a ban.

The conversation today is about an increasing phenomenon of our time — mass murders.

The numbers in this area are compelling.

A group called Mayors Against Illegal Guns did a study of all mass shootings between 2009 and 2013.

They found that assault weapons or high-capacity magazines were used 23 percent of the time. And they found a clear difference in those cases.

The average casualty rate of mass shootings with non-assault guns was 7 shot and 5.4 killed.

The average with assault rifles or high-capacity magazines was 15.6 shot and 8.3 killed. In other words, more than double the total shot and 50 percent more deaths.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
56. I'm familiar with those data, but he said the AWB diminished mass shootings
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

which means he thinks there is data on mass shootings before 1994 and during the 10 year AWB showing few mass shootings.

Never heard of that before.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
52. Markey says over 2000 people on terror watch list have bought firearms. Any crimes with those guns?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

Apparently, the FBI had cleared Mateen and wasn't on the no fly list when he purchased firearms.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
58. Sen Murphy - The areas of research should be left up to scientists
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jun 2016

whether its climate change or gun violence research.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
63. Sen. Durbin thanking Sen. Murphy for holding the floor on this issue, since there was
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jun 2016

no indication from the Republicans that there would be a debate on the issue.

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
66. Will the media report this or will they talk about don the con Twitter statement
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

About meeting with the NRA?

No the media is talking about the alligator snatching the child and Orlando massacre. If a rethug was filibustering they would be covering this.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
67. K/R
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jun 2016

Why not? The Senate won't accomplish any more today with this filibuster than it does any other day with McConnell as majority leader.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
76. Hillary Clinton Retweeted Chris Murphy
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton Verified account
?@HillaryClinton

Hillary Clinton Retweeted Chris Murphy

Some fights are too important to stay silent. Preventing gun violence is one of them. Stand strong @ChrisMurphyCT.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/743157530780655616


Chris Murphy Verified account
?@ChrisMurphyCT

I am prepared to stand on the Senate floor and talk about the need to prevent gun violence for as long as I can. I've had #Enough

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
78. I hope the GOP is cornered on this one
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jun 2016

They can say one of two things:

Let's deal, we were wrong on this issue all along

Or

Everything with guns is fine as it is and American lives don't matter

Paging Mitch McConnell ..... Mitch???

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
82. He is doing a great job of justifying universal background checks.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

Told a story of a recent murder-suicide where the killer bought a gun while avoiding background checks.

Response to BootinUp (Reply #82)

elljay

(1,178 posts)
81. This is just a start
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016

If out of this filibuster we manage to get the smallest movement on regulating guns, it will be a stinging defeat for the NRA and a sign that the tide is turning against them. What interests me is what happens next. Do they rest on their laurels or keep fighting the good fight?

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
116. How many people need to be killed in one incident for repugs to get it?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

50 is apparently not enough. Will it take 100? 200? They have blood on their hands! I really hope Americans are paying attention to this.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
121. "Can't tell you how many times I've had a moment of silence here in the Senate"
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

"Silence is not enough!" Tammy Baldwin.

AWESOME.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
127. She is wonderful.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

I didn't know her very well before this. She seems extremely compassionate, and did I hear her mention earlier she is LGBT?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
129. Wonderful.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016

You can tell she is extremely emotional, but she is holding it together very well and being compassionate yet strong.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
123. Sen. Baldwin's describing the victims in detail
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jun 2016

She's countering the typical right-wing demonization of the LGBT community by appropriately affirming their humanity.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
130. Kicking, simply because of the TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers in my sig line.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jun 2016

Use 'em! Weigh in. Let the Dems know you have their back! And if you have the misfortune to be "represented" by some CON, even better! They, too, need to know that they're on the wrong side here. They need to know there's a tsunami bearing down on them. Some of the Senate CONS who are up for reelection are already destabilized, like kirk, and ayotte, and are painfully aware that the tsunami may well wash their Senate seats away.

They're already feeling the hot gusts from a raging fire. (Hey, I could keep up with the metaphors all day!)

Congressional CONS need to hear this, too.

If they think you don't care, they won't, either!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
188. Very proud of my Senator.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:39 AM
Jun 2016

I hope he talks for another 3 days. Let the RKBA fuckers squirm in their seats in the face of this filibuster and more uncomfortable questions until they relent and we get real movement on gun-control.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
159. What a sad and touching story she told about the mom of the autistic boy.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jun 2016


The boy and his aide were shot dead at Sandy Hook.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
162. He's talking about a professor at Virginia Tech who saved a lot of his students' lives,
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jun 2016

but the professor didn't survive.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
164. I notice Heidi Heitkamp is not participating...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jun 2016

She was one of a handful of D Senators who voted against background checks the last time this came up.

riversedge

(70,187 posts)
170. Sen. Tammy Baldwin speaking now. LIVE link to Senate from Huff Post....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jun 2016


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-launch-filibuster-on-guns_us_57617afae4b0df4d586ec7b5?section=



AdChoices
POLITICS
Democrats Launch Filibuster-Style Blockade On Guns
Senators vow to keep talking until lawmakers agree to do something to deal with America’s massacre problem.
06/15/2016 12:26 pm ET | Updated 23 minutes ago

Michael McAuliff Senior Congressional Reporter, The Huffington Post

WASHINGTON — Led by the senators who represent Newtown, Connecticut — where a gunman fatally shot 26 people, including 20 children, in 2012 — Democrats took control of the Senate floor Wednesday and vowed to keep talking until lawmakers start doing something about gun violence.

“Newtown is still putting itself back together, probably will be for a long time,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who launched the filibuster-style takeover, declaring it was time for the Senate to do something about gun violence beyond the usual ineffective debates.

He said lawmakers could not go about business as usual after a mass killing at a gay club in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday claimed 49 victims.

“This is a different moment today than it was at the end of last week,” Murphy said. “There is a newfound imperative for this body to find a way to come together and take action, to try to do our part to stem this epidemic of gun violence and in particular this epidemic of mass shootings.”
......................

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
173. She's reading off the casualty counts of all the mass murders since before 08
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

Powerful stuff. History.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
181. Why "Rec if you support..." ????
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jun 2016

If you don't support the filibuster get the fuck out of DU! Why was there a need to request that?

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
183. Recommend, kick, etc. Now if I could only stream the video...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jun 2016

...but everything keeps crashing.

Still, onward. This filibuster is long overdue, and it's the right thing to do.

allinthegame

(132 posts)
186. Excellent Feed
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jun 2016

On Slate.
What a great thing to see if only for a short time.
Would that something will come of it

Cha

(297,154 posts)
190. Mahalo, Boot! Thank you, Senator Murphy!
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:42 AM
Jun 2016

ThinkProgress
✔ ?@thinkprogress
The 5 most compelling moments from the Senate Democrats’ filibuster for gun control http://thkpr.gs/3789026
9:30 AM - 15 Jun 2016
80 80 Retweets 68 68 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/15/hate-will-not-win/

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
192. Senator Amy Klobuchar's story was especially compelling, also.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:12 AM
Jun 2016

There were so many touching and important moments where the Senators told of their contacts with victims and their families.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
197. I assume this action has come about because of the horror in Orlando.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jun 2016

Have we forgotten that Omar Mateen had extensive background checks in respect to his job? The FBI did interview him more than once and did nothing. I'm confused.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
199. THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH CHRIS MURPHY!
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jun 2016

You ARE One Super Fantastic Man with A Heart Of Gold and The STRENGTH of a LION! I know you've fought for and talked about this before!

THANK YOU AGAIN!

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