Was at grocery store yesterday, saw something disturbing.

[Archae]

Remember the "organic milk" I mentioned, that was more than twice as expensive as ordinary milk?

($2.70 a gallon as compared to $6 a HALF gallon for organic...)

The ordinary milk is still $2.70 a gallon.

The organic milk is EIGHT BUCKS a half gallon now.

Organic is nothing more than a scam.

[RKP5637]

1. It is! They just keep cranking the price up to see what the market will bear. Sell less at a higher

price, same returns, easier distribution model. So much hype these days.

[Omaha Steve]

170. Organic Milk Disappearing from Supermarket Shelves (SHORTAGE)

http://www.delish.com/food/news/a38866/organic-milk-shortage/

Got milk? The answer is probably "no" if you're shopping for organic milk. A shortage of premium milk has hit supermarkets across the country, forcing the stores to apologize to consumers for the dwindling supply.

Most major chains, including Wegmans, Target, and Publix, have reported shortages. Publix reports that both their private-label brand and brands like Horizon and Organic Valley have been short-stocked since November. Kimberly Jaeger, a Publix spokeswoman, told the New York Times, "Supplies are sporadic. We are working with our suppliers to secure as much organic milk as we can."

The article stated that sale of whole organic milk increased by 17 percent between January 2011 and October 2011. But there's just not enough organic milk to meet the national demand. That's due in part to the rising costs of organic grain and hay, which are used as feed for the cows that produce the milk. Although costs are rising, the farmers' incomes have not increased, making it tough for the farmers to turn a profit or afford the feed they need to produce the milk.

FULL story at link.

I drink this for my dementia. The DHA is NOT from fish. It is plant based: https://www.horizondairy.com/products/milk/reduced-fat-milk-dha-omega-3

Reduced Fat Milk with DHA Omega-3 Treat your family to the goodness of Horizon® organic milk, with the added benefit of 32 mg of DHA Omega-3 per serving. DHA Omega-3 is a valuable nutrient that may help support the brain, heart and eyes. Available in half gallons.

[RKP5637]

196. Thanks!!! Interesting!!!

[metalbot]

199. That's exactly how all of your grocery prices are set

There's nothing magical about organic products from an economic perspective

[RKP5637]

201. Yep! n/t

[NightWatcher]

2. Maybe it was artisanal as well as organic

Artisanal will jack the price up two fold.

If it was hand squeezed by a guy with a beard and his hair in a bun, you'd have to mortgage your tiny home to afford it.

[Throd]

11. Is the milk bucket hand hewn from reclaimed barn wood?

Add another $2

[NightWatcher]

12. "Reclaimed wood" shut it down, you've won the subthread.

I humbly bow.

[Aerows]

65. Sometimes, you reed my mind. n/t

[scscholar]

76. And, the organic lasts a lot longer!

Plus, it doesn't contain so much inorganic (non-carbon) substances.

[Atman]

159. Organic milk has a very long life in the fridge.

I don't know why. Even the expiry is much longer. We have a half-gallon of organic milk in the fridge with a JULY 16 expiration on it, but we bought it more than two weeks ago...had some this morning, still tastes fine.

This actually saves us money, because with no kids in the house, we usually throw away even a quart of milk before we finish it all. And I just get small comfort in at least thinking I'm not putting a bunch of nasty pesticides into my body.

[MadDAsHell]

206. This was an amazing post :) nt

[forgotmylogin]

3. It does keep well.

Since its UHT pasteurized, you get an expiration date a month away.

Although so is parmalat. Not sure how expensive that is now.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

4. About $3.72 for a 2 pack of 32oz aseptic containers. nt

[DonRedwood]

5. Is it in a gold carton?

We buy organic milk but it is only about 30% higher.

[panader0]

37. Hey Don, haven't seen you around for a while....

[dembotoz]

6. beer is cheaper and doesn't give me the shits

the lactose thing.....

[womanofthehills]

182. My boyfriend always buys organic lactose free milk

[HuckleB]

216. Your boyfriend wastes money on "organic" labels?

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Ratty]

7. Milk is just about the only organic thing I buy

Half gallon is a bit shy of $5 here. I buy it because skim organic milk tastes as good as whole regular milk. I just couldn't stomach the thin blue stuff but someone told me how good organic skim was and once I tried it I never looked back. Of all the things I could buy as organic, I figure milk probably has the most significant health benefits. But really I only buy it for the taste.

I rarely can taste the difference between organic and regular produce. Everyone says it tastes so much better.

[MH1]

34. "Most significant health benefits" from organic - celery, leafy greens,

and if I remember correctly, apples. Not sure why the apples, but it's pretty obvious why leafy greens and celery.

The least health benefit of organic is for root vegetables.

Well, all this was from an article I read probably two decades ago, and the point was about pesticides being more likely to leave residue on leaf veggies and not roots. I don't remember if milk was covered at all; I don't think organic milk was very available at that time.

[Aerows]

55. You *do* realize that the pasteurization process

requires that all milk has the fat separated from it, it's heated and then fat is or is not added back in?

There is no difference.

But hey, would you like to buy an organic bridge? It's made completely out of wood, and you can use it to do things like cross water ways, build houses and set it on fire to make heat.

It's really special.

[frazzled]

8. There are so many disturbing things in the world right now

I don't consider the price of organic milk that disturbing. That said, we buy organic milk, and it's generally around $3.65 a half gallon. Given that we don't drink much milk (my husband uses it for cereal), it lasts a long time, so we don't have to throw it out.

[Sam_Fields]

9. Organic Milk is higher becuase of no milk subsidies

If the US Government didn't subsidize milk then we would all be paying $6 a gallon.

[Major Nikon]

40. Organic milk is as eligible for milk subsidies as any other

They can and do participate in the program.

[Jim Beard]

175. Very True!

[Doremus]

198. Corn is heavily subsidized. nt

[Major Nikon]

208. As are a few other commodities

Not sure what this has to do with the subject at hand.

[Doremus]

221. It's what they feed cattle because it's cheap, making the cows sick in the process,

requiring preventive antibiotics, etc etc etc

IIRC the writer said livestock feed was subsidized. Much of it is.

[Major Nikon]

230. Feed corn doesn't make livestock sick

The reason antibiotics are routinely given to otherwise healthy livestock is because it increases production by about 10-15%. "Organic" milk production still uses corn for livestock nutrition.

Whatever you think is true about feed corn is still irrelevant to the subject at hand. "Organic" corn is also eligible for the same subsidies as all other corn. Nothing about "organic" makes is any less eligible for subsidies.

[Doremus]

231. "feed corn doesn't make livestock sick." You're quite mistaken.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/interviews/pollan.html

By the time a modern American beef cow is six months old, it has seen its last blade of grass for the rest of its life. As soon as they wean, they spend the first six months out on the pasture with their moms, nursing, nibbling grass. The mom is converting the grass's protein that's turning into milk for the animal, doing the way they've done it for millions of years. We take them off grass. We put them in pens, called backgrounding pens, and we teach them how to eat something that they are not evolved to eat, which is grain, and mostly corn.

Why do we do this? Well, it's a very good question, because it makes absolutely no sense from an ecological standpoint. From a financial standpoint, it does. It makes them grow much more quickly. It makes them get fat, and we like our meat really fat and marbled. And it allows us to speed up the lifespan. In capitalism, time is money.

We're taking cows that we used to let grow to be four or five years old before we eat them [and] we've got it down to 14 months, and we're heading toward 11 months. What allows us to do this is getting them [on] corn, getting them off this whole evolutionary relationship they've had with grass. ...

snip

The problem with this system, or one of the problems with this system, is that cows are not evolved to digest corn. It creates all sorts of problems for them. The rumen is designed for grass. And corn is just too rich, too starchy. So as soon as you introduce corn, the animal is liable to get sick.

It creates a whole [host] of changes to the animal. So you have to essentially teach them how to eat corn. You teach their bodies to adjust. And this is done in something called the backgrounding pen at the ranch, which is kind of the prep school for the feedlot. Here's where you teach them how to eat corn.

You start giving them antibiotics, because as soon as you give them corn, you've disturbed their digestion, and they're apt to get sick, so you then have to give them drugs. That's how you get in this whole cycle of drugs and meat. By feeding them what they're not equipped to eat well, we then go down this path of technological fixes, and the first is the antibiotics. Once they start eating the [corn], they're more vulnerable. They're stressed, so they're more vulnerable to all the different diseases cows get. But specifically they get bloat, which is just a horrible thing to happen. They stop ruminating.

[Major Nikon]

233. Michael Pollan, known hack and junk science purveyer

So as proof of your assertion you present a highly biased known hack with zero credibility and zero evidence to back it up.

The assertion is childishly simply to debunk. Lots of dairy operations, including organic ones routinely operate the exact same way without giving any non-therapeutic antibiotics. So how does that happen?

[Doremus]

236. All you've got?

Nonsense. Shoulda known.

Enjoy your milk. You deserve every drop.

[Major Nikon]

237. You stole my line!

[avebury]

10. Unless it is for a child I don't understand why people

buy milk. No other species drinks milk past the animal equivalent of childhood. It is illogical and has horrible consequences to the calves of milk cows.

[bunnies]

17. It cracks me up that some people take pills so they can digest the stuff.

I've read that we lose the enzymes to digest it after we've passed milk-drinking age. Me? I find it repulsive.

Edit: it meaning milk.

[Demonaut]

27. I'm glad you find humor in my inability to produce the proteases enzymes

[bunnies]

28. No one over the age of 3 produces them.

Adult humans are not meant to drink milk designed to feed baby cows.

I can't eat dairy without horrible consequences. But I'm aware of the reason for that. You, on the other hand, seem to think its a disease.

I'm not going to take a pill that allows me to eat mud. Mud is not food for an adult human. Neither is milk.

[Demonaut]

42. ignorance knows no bounds..lol, you have no idea what I think..but you might now:)

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/27/168144785/an-evolutionary-whodunit-how-did-humans-develop-lactose-tolerance

countless articles to link to but either you're really young or you don't read much or both

Ever hear of the Maasai?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people

google is your friend

btw, no different than eating Beano to help digest beans and reduce flatulence (farts)

[bunnies]

44. Congratulations on your dickish execution...

And quiet condescension. Doesn't change the fact that you've been tricked.

[Demonaut]

45. you might think twice when posting what you assume a poster "thinks"

and dickish is quite rude!
http://imgur.com/gallery/IW8simF

[Aerows]

104. Mirrors work wonders. n/t

[bunnies]

83. When all else fails, double down on the dickishness.

And add a jingle.

[Aerows]

106. Yes, I'm sitting here looking at it.

Am I too subtle? Gosh who would have ever thought I could be too subtle.

Doubling Down. You are doing it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. Are humans not "meant" to find water wherever it exists?

Does milk contain no water?

[bunnies]

82. Milk is not water. Water is not milk.

They completely different effects on the body. No, humans are not meant to seek out milk. Unless you're an infant.

[Major Nikon]

149. Humans, like every other organism, are meant to seek out nutrition where they can find it

Which is no different than the need for seeking out hydration. Anything else leads to extinction very quickly.

[SheilaT]

73. You are wrong. Many adult humans can digest milk.

If you can't eat dairy without horrible consequences, then don't consume dairy. Some people can't consume peanuts. Or shell fish. Or various other things.

[Freddie]

80. It's genetic

Ethnic groups with a history of dairy farming (mostly European) have, via evolution, developed the enzymes necessary to digest milk as an adult. Groups who have not historically drank milk (Asians, Africans) have not and those people have a much higher incidence of lactose intolerance, although many people of European descent have this problem as well.

[Aerows]

102. I need the calories, the calcium and the protein.

Goat milk is really digestible for people that have a tough time with richer cow or sheep milk.

Goats are really cool. They can change a toxin into a delicious beverage as a function of their natural system.

[Doremus]

197. Soy, almond, coconut milks are all higher in calcium

And doesn't involve ingesting pus laced body fluids from sickly caged animals. Win-win.

[Major Nikon]

209. Soy, almond, and coconuts don't have teats

None of the things you mentioned have calcium naturally and are fortified with it along with several other things. So you can also take calcium supplements and have something higher in calcium as well, and you wouldn't also get compounds found in those things you mentioned which prevent the absorption of calcium.

All those things you mentioned also very often contain castoreum which is the secretion of the anal gland of a beaver. Yum!

[Doremus]

222. Waiting for a citation proving the health benefits of bovine calcium

Going to be a challenge to find NON-industry-bought-and-paid-for data I'm sure, so just to show that I'm reasonable I'll settle for any study proving human deficiency of calcium as a direct result of not drinking milk.

Take as much time as you need.

[Major Nikon]

228. You're going to be waiting a very long time for me to prove an assertion I never made

So take as much time as you want.

[Red Mountain]

147. Sub Saharan Africans.....not so much

Pretty fascinating, actually. Some African populations with a history of bovine interaction fare well. As do some Asian.....think Mongolians.

We've evolved along with our cow companions.

[bunnies]

81. Actually, I'm not wrong.

Science:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/story?id=8450036


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_drinking_milk.html

[SheilaT]

94. Yes, you are wrong. You said " No one over the age of 3 produces them."

And by them you mean the enzymes that allow adults to digest milk. Significant numbers of humans, mainly those whose ancestors raised cattle and drank that milk, DO retain those enzymes.

In fact, the gene that allows Europeans to digest milk is different from the gene that allows certain Africans to digest milk, and evolved separately. Among other things, that's clear proof that the human species continues to evolve. Which also means that those who claim we should live on a "paleo" diet are wrong for many reasons. First off, which part of the world do they want to base their diet on? And from what specific point in the past? The same way those who claim we're better off never eating meat don't understand that we evolved as omnivores, meaning we eat more or less everything, including meat. And those who say we shouldn't cook food because our distant ancestors didn't have fire, don't get it that cooked food was what made us fully human.

So, again, you are wrong to state that no one can digest milk after the age of three or so. You can't, and you can certainly get along just fine without it. Don't go around claiming that everyone is just like you in this department.

[Aerows]

108. ^This^

Epic reply, thank you SheilaT

[anigbrowl]

186. How come I can digest dairy so easily then?

Incidentally while we're talking about no other species doing this sort of thing, perhaps you can explain why it is that ants farm aphids, essentially treating them as livestock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphid#Ant_mutualism

[Doremus]

200. 75% of the world's population is lactose intolerant. You aren't special. nt

[dumbcat]

18. I dunno

I'm 68 years old and I have been drinking milk everyday for my whole life. If I don't happen to have a good wine around, or a cold beer on a hot day, a glass or two of milk is my normal dinner drink.

[womanofthehills]

71. I drink organic milk every day too

I have allergies to some sulfur foods, but do really well with milk, cottage cheese and yogurt.

[HuckleB]

112. No one cares.

[Red Mountain]

144. I care

that you're rude. Just don't post.....

[HuckleB]

152. No one cares.

You do like puppets, though, don't you?

[GulfCoast66]

20. Domesticating cattle

And using dairy products was one of the foundations of civilization. For the first time we(humans) had a food source that did not depend on having edible products around. As long as you had a cow, nanny, ewe, mare and whatever a female camel is called along with grass, you had food. Because we cannot live on grass.

So eating dairy is one of the most logical and best things humans have ever done.

Now, drinking milk, you might be correct. I buy organic milk and ferment my own kefir at home. Without refrigeration whole milk becomes something different, and superior, very quickly.

[mopinko]

22. ^^^^this^^^^

true shit.

[avebury]

23. However the nasty by-product of drinking milk

is what happens to all the calfs born of the milk cows just to produce milk for humans.

[GulfCoast66]

24. We eat them?

I try to eat locally raised meat, but I am happy to be the omnivore I evolved to be.

I keep meat to less than 20% of my calories and have several meat free days each week since that also jives with my evolution.

[avebury]

31. I don't eat beef, lamb or pork.

I hate the way the factory farming treats the animals that end up being butchered. I am not fond of turkey so that was easy to give up. I need to work on giving up or minimizing by chicken consumption next. I eat minimal dairy products, have eliminated turkey and need to decrease my chicken consumption. By giving up a lot of proteins from live animals I can afford to buy free range eggs and only buy what I do get from sources that treat their livestock more humanely. I will confess that I do like salmon and may have it as much as twice a week. Living in Oklahoma I don't have access to decent fresh ocean fish like I would back home so my fish consumption is pretty much limited to salmon. I am working on increasing my consumption of fruits and vegetables. Ethical consideration is becoming more of a factor in my decisions regarding food. I have a ways to go but i figure that at least I am trying.

[GulfCoast66]

36. I am truly being serious here

Unless your goal is to go total vegetarian, a choice I respect by the way.

But if meat is something you like but do not the like factory farm system and are concerned about the ethics of meat, which I agree with, think about hunting.

I know, shocking. But I am not being insulting. I eat as much meat I hunt as possible. I can insure a clean, painless death by only taking sure shots. I know my meat is like the meat I evolved to eat. I do the dirty work myself and am in touch with my evolutionary history. And I can use the entire animal.

I realize hunting is probably not right for you, but more and more people who are rejecting the corporate food system are discovering hunting. Hunting license numbers are rising for the first time in years and it is not the redneck element driving it. But omnivores who value ethically taken natural meat.

I have introduced 2 total liberal young folks to it and one of them eats very little meat because he only eats meat he takes.

Have a very nice evening.

[Aerows]

63. Venison is an absolute necessity

on the table if you have a garden because the deer or hares will eat up your entire garden in no time flat.

And oh boy, are both of them delicious in the crock pot, simmered all day

Some people are so removed from not knowing how even a slice of bread is made that you just have to go "Okay" don't eat it.

[GulfCoast66]

72. Just finished off a batch

Of venison stew. With mushrooms and an entire bottle of red wine. Cubed meat marinated in the wine for 24 hours then slowly braised in it with all the aromatics for 4 hours.

I prefer it over rice, but the wife from up north so I served it on noodles. She prefers mashed potatoes but that is just to heavy for a southern boy like me in the summer.

Do not get me started on cooking hare!

[Aerows]

119. "Cooking rabbit"

Frying, in my opinion, is the reason we even do it to begin with . A clever person said, gee, let's take these hares, dredge them through flour, pop them into a pot of hot oil, and yum.

Delicious was born.

[GulfCoast66]

137. Now I am hungry

Throw in some rice and pan gravy and life is good.

[Aerows]

139. You don't cook it if you aren't planning on having some delicious

pot likker!

Everybody that I have ever met that doesn't like cabbage ... hasn't had mine. I have converts all over the place - the pot likker is the source of all goodness.

(Pan gravy)

Mustard greens. Oh my. Better than any collard.

[GulfCoast66]

140. Like cabbage, love mustards

Neat story; our elders knew what they were doing when they cooked green down for hours. Lots of the greens they ate like collards have very thick cell walls. Cooked for a short time and eaten many of the nutrients go right thru the body. Cook the hell out of them, eat them and drink the pot likker(or sop it up with cornbread) and you get the benefits of all the nutrients.

Boring rambling over😄

[Aerows]

141. No, seriously, Vitamin K deficiency is so prevalant

that they give babies shots of it.

It is essential to keep bleeding disorders at bay.

I'm not an expert, but I know my way around a set of pots and pans, and have garden gloves and those awful looking croc shoes sitting on the porch so I don't track mud through the house.

[GulfCoast66]

146. I can tell

You know your way around the kitchen. Would any of those pans be cast iron, by chance?

[Aerows]

148. When would they not be?

My kettle talks to my pots

[womanofthehills]

183. I killed a huge rattlesnake last summer and thouht about eating it

but I was afraid to go near it just in case it was playing dead.

[Aerows]

189. I'm not sure if you are joking or not

but my father shot one and we did indeed eat it. It was absolutely lovely fried - great texture.

[womanofthehills]

190. Not joking

[Aerows]

219. I'm not either

it was delicious.

[womanofthehills]

60. I only eat grass fed beef and luckily I live in a ranching community

I love organic milk and only get Organic Valley Grass Fed - as the milk comes from small independent farmers rather than corporations. The milk has cream on the top just like in the old days.

I raise my own chickens for eggs -14 chickens and a rooster - so my grand kids get clean eggs. I only feed my chickens organic feed and organic vegetables - not cheap, but the eggs are so good. I put raw egg yokes in my smoothies every morning - something I would never do with a store bought egg.

With all the glyphosate that is in animal feed, I recently decided to only eat organically fed chicken which is definitely more expensive.

By buying organic milk you are supporting more humane treatment of cows plus getting no hormones, less glyphosate, no antiobiotics, etc.

[Aerows]

64. I live in an area where there are chickens laying eggs

and cows dozing in mud puddles when it is hot.

I love the goats the most, though, because their digestive system is very good at removing anything toxic and they can produce some gorgeous milk and cheese.

[Major Nikon]

176. Your own eggs aren't as safe as store bought

Assuming you aren't doing all (or even any) of the screening commercial eggs go through and I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet you aren't.

If just one of your chickens is a carrier for salmonella, then most likely all of them are, and if you aren't doing testing, then you have no way of knowing as chickens are virtually always asymptomatic.

[womanofthehills]

180. I've been eating my raw eggs for about 12 yrs now every day

never got sick from one. My chickens are super healthy - since I switched them to all organic grain and vegetables not one has been sick. A sick chicken usually dies.

Q: How can I tell if my flock is infected with Salmonella? What are the symptoms?
A: While you won't be able to make a firm diagnosis of Salmonella on your own, it will be easy for you to see that your hens are sick. Chickens with salmonella will be weak, lethargic, have purplish combs and wattles, a decreased appetite and increased thirst. Plus you will see distinct white, sulfur yellow or green diarrhea. In some cases, joints might be swollen and blindness might occur from swelling in the eyes. If your birds were laying, production will be drastically reduced. These symptoms can also indicate other illnesses, so you will have to consult a vet to get a firm diagnosis.

But even if you didn't know that the symptoms listed here can indicate salmonella, common sense would tell you so
mething is wrong if you saw this occuring in your flock! It just isn't something that's hard to spot.

The reason that HUGE outbreaks of salmonella occur in large factory farms, the reason that it gets to the point of enormous recalls involving millions-of-eggs, is because factory farms do not care properly for their birds. They don't notice when the birds get sick, because if the birds are in tiny cages, it's not as if they can then identify that the birds are any more weak or lethargic than usual in the conditions provided. Factory farmed birds can't normally even stretch their wings because the cages are so small.

http://www.mypetchicken.com/backyard-chickens/chicken-help/How-can-I-tell-if-my-flock-is-infected-with-H138.aspx

[Major Nikon]

184. As usual you rely on shitty sources to give you shitty information

Your anecdotal account has exactly shit to do with whether or not your eggs are safer. Chickens can be and usually are asymptomatic carriers of salmonella.

It's common for chickens, ducks, and other poultry to carry Salmonella. Salmonella is a type of germ that naturally lives in the intestines of poultry and many other animals. Even organically fed poultry can have Salmonella. While it usually doesn't make the birds sick, Salmonella can cause serious illness when it is passed to people.

If you collect eggs from the hens, thoroughly cook them, as Salmonella can pass from healthy looking hens into the interior of normal looking eggs.

http://www.cdc.gov/features/salmonellapoultry/

It's very telling how you totally freak out at benign pesticide residues measured in parts per billion, while completely ignoring things that actually have far more potential to make you sick if not worse.

[My Good Babushka]

195. I don't get why you are so angry

If this person has chickens and likes their eggs then why don't you mind your own business?
How many healthy flocks of chickens have you raised? You're, like, bonkers angry, at this chicken farmer for no reason.

[Major Nikon]

207. Why are you so angry at me?

You are going crazy for absolutely no reason.

[My Good Babushka]

225. I am not at all angry

I think it's hilarious, I didn't come on here ranting about "shitty sources" and "shitty information", and seem to have a personal vendetta against one person's home-raised chickens.

[Major Nikon]

227. No, I think you are angry

Judging from your passive aggressive and banal accusation. But if this finds you otherwise, then perhaps from the experience of being accused with such a flimsy basis you will learn not to leap to such half fast conclusions about others in the future which was my point all along.

What you seem to think is a valid accusation is actually pretty piss poor. Nothing I posted suggests anything remotely close to what you seem to think is true, so I can only imagine you consulted your magic 8 ball. I couldn't care less if either of you raise wild dung beetles, eat road apples, and bark at the moon. I took exception to a blatantly false statement and backed it up with a solid source which you would know had you followed the entire context rather than just jumping in the middle of it. Not only that, if you knew the poster in question, you'd know she routinely parrots out the most batshit crazy sources imaginable. So don't forget, assumptions are the mother of all fuckups.

Cheers!

[ciaobaby]

58. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/stop-drinking-milk

[Adsos Letter]

53. My wife always insists that milk is a great food...

...for baby cows.

[scscholar]

78. Because I love my Cocoa Pebbles!

That's why I buy milk.

[HuckleB]

111. So what?

What other species farms like we do?

[Aerows]

123. I suspect that you and I would have a dinner table

full of things that varied to a degree that the batch of people complaining about it wouldn't have a clue how we made something so wonderfully delicious.

[HuckleB]

129. Way to ignore the question. Also, you wouldn't be eating, if that were true.

Of course, you wouldn't be eating much of anything if your posts at DU re: food were true.

[Aerows]

131. The hell?

I think you responded to the wrong post.

[HuckleB]

154. Probably not.

[Aerows]

155. Um, okay.

Tried to give you the benefit of the doubt...

[HuckleB]

158. No, you didn't.

Nice spin.

[Aerows]

161. You have a nice day. n/t

[HuckleB]

162. I always do.

[metalbot]

202. We do lots of things other species don't

In the specific case of milk, there are two widely spread mutations that allow humans to drink milk after childhood. The mutations spread because of the advantages that gave to the people who could drink milk as adults.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_drinking_milk.html

I don't see why you would argue that drinking milk is "illogical", especially if you have the mutation that likely saved your ancestor's life.

[Old Codger]

13. Pretty much all

Of that "organic" is better and harder to grow is bullsh*t.. ...scam to get more for the same product..

[Freddie]

84. I pretty much agree

I will only buy organic if the product tastes better and is reasonably priced.
I shop at a Giant which takes great pride in having a store-brand organic/natural line ("Nature's Promise&quot , an entire aisle devoted to the stuff plus organic produce, meats and dairy along with the "regular". Guess which products often end up with "50% off" tags because they're about to expire? Organic is just not that popular in this largely working-class town. But even the stuff that isn't on clearance yet may not be all that fresh.
Thanks to a 50%-off tag I've discovered that Nature's Promise chocolate chip cookies are better than Chips Ahoy!

[obamanut2012]

14. I just paid $6 and change for a GALLON

aND, THE HALF GALLON WAS $4.32.

It isn't a scam, and if you don't want to buy it, don't. Those of us who do really don't care.

[sarcasmo]

15. Cucumber added to water and sell it for 10 dollars.

[kimbutgar]

16. Were you at whole paycheck market?

They are the biggest rip off. You get get organic milk a lot cheaper at Trader Joes.

I gave up milk years ago and buy small containers for cooking and yearly egg nog. My sinus problems went away when I gave up milk.

[HuckleB]

114. They and their local mimics are the worst, but all chains pull this crap now.

It's ugly.

[2naSalit]

19. I don't touch that cow saliva stuff...

since I'm not a nursing baby cow.

[Aerows]

30. Some of us drink milk

because we enjoy it, and cow juice has protein and calcium.

[ciaobaby]

56. http://www.thedailymeal.com/why-you-should-stop-drinking-milk-right-now/013014

[Aerows]

59. Nope.

My cholesterol level is so good they had to test my sample 3 times.

I'll continue with my drinking of unsweetened iced tea, eating cottage cheese, and drinking a glass of milk when I feel it necessary.

My body weight is rather low, so I often REQUIRE extra calories, and milk gets the job done.

[ciaobaby]

67. Well then you are much better off than the baby cow who got none of his mother's milk cause you had

to have it. Unnecessarily I might add.

[Aerows]

69. LOL!

I hope you are just being silly.

[ciaobaby]

212. not being silly at all - just wondering what you think is so funny.

[Aerows]

214. If that is a serious question being lodged by you

Yourself.

About baby cows not getting enough milk because the evil humans are stealing it all...

Honey, I absolutely cannot help you.

I don't even want to try.

[ciaobaby]

217. well that's very responsive - but about what I would expect.

[Aerows]

218. Keep expecting. It's good for you to have hope. n/t

[Major Nikon]

235. "baby cow"

Sounds quite a bit like those who use "baby" instead of fetus. If anything it's worse because we aren't even talking about humans. At least in the case of the former the obvious appeal to emotion at least amounts to a "think of the children" fallacy. Instead we get 'think of the baby cows'.

[Major Nikon]

85. Much of that has been debunked

Some of it is just stupid. The rest is ambiguous at best. You can find reasons not to eat pretty much anything if you try hard enough.

[Archae]

87. That web site has just about any and every super-fattening recipe...

Oh, but milk is BAD for us!

Bunch of horses' asses.

My whole family grew up drinking milk.
Best thing is none of us calcium deficiency.

[Major Nikon]

89. Macro nutrients consist of protein, carbohydrates, and fat

All of which can be found in milk almost in perfect proportion, along with quite a few micro nutrients.

[ciaobaby]

90. I am sure it has all been debunked - by the dairy industry.

[Major Nikon]

91. Sure, because the source is rock solidly non-biased to begin with

[Archae]

191. Yup, another "conspiracy theory..."

Translation, pure bullshit.

[Warpy]

130. I think milk is horrible stuff. I've been lactose intolerant since I was five

but that didn't stop my mother from trying to pour it down me when I'd been off it long enough for the diarrhea to stop. Good days were when she left the kitchen long enough for me to pour it down the sink.

However, none of my milk loving friends seems to be the worse for it and since the genetic mutation that allows them to digest it seems to be prevalent in populations that would have a hard time meeting caloric needs without it, I can't imagine there's anything wrong with using it as even a major source of daily protein.

Just don't expect me to drink any of that shit.

[2naSalit]

105. Yeah, I know...

just had to add my two cents... but being lactose intolerant made me stop using it. And I confess, I do use some cheese once in a while but I can use it only because it's fermented milk.

[Aerows]

122. Seriously - switch to goat's milk

Most bodies do better on it than richer cow or sheep milk.

And goat's milk cottage cheese is the best damn thing in the universe.

[2naSalit]

168. That's true but

it's expensive in my neck of the woods and I'm poor enough that it's a luxury item in my diet. I do okay, I'm mostly healthy and still considered petite.

[Aerows]

169. I'm in the sticks, myself.

There probably is somebody in your area that would like to start a co-op for goat farming.

I know I would like to.

[2naSalit]

172. There are a couple

in this end of the state but it's still expensive... the nearest store that carries any of that is 100 miles away and there isn't much in the way of land for such a thing. I've tried to start some things like that before and got no interest in my area, around here it's cows and sheep. I'm hoping to move this year but looking at my budget, night not be this year. Something will work out eventually.

[Aerows]

173. Please don't stop trying!

There is plenty of opportunity.

[womanofthehills]

181. I have 2 women friends who goat farm and sell their goat cheese and milk

they have movable electric fences so once the goats eat down an area they just keep moving them.

We are having a huge wildfire in NM right now = 16,700 acres and 0 contained and these 2 women are in the path of the fire - evacuating their goats as we speak.

[Aerows]

135. Well ... it's not specifically "fermented" milk ...

but yes, it is processed in the ancient way that was discovered by our forebearers.

I eat a lot of beans. Love them. I eat red meat. I drink milk. Eat raw vegetables. That diet works for me.

I don't care for bread.

What works for me might not work for anyone else.

[Major Nikon]

177. Cheese is made from fermented milk, so I'm not sure what you are referring

There are other steps in the process which differentiates cheese from other fermented products like cultured buttermilk, yogurt, and sour cream.

In all of these cases, bacteria converts lactose to lactic acid during fermentation, which is why those who are lactose intolerant may not have a digestive reaction to it like liquid milk.

[Red Mountain]

160. If you are truly lactose intolerant.....

Then aged cheeses are your best bet. Lactose breaks down over time. Very little left in a properly aged cheese.

If you are allergic to milk proteins.....well, that's another issue.

[2naSalit]

167. I know,

it's the lactose that gets me. I used to love milk as a kid, especially on cereal, can't even do yogurt anymore. Aged cheeses are the kind I can eat once in a while.

[Major Nikon]

178. Greek yogurt contains much less lactose so you might try that

There is such a thing as lactose free yogurt, but it might be hard to find.

[2naSalit]

223. Yuk...

I don't have a desire for it that badly. I'll go without, but thanks for the info. I have a thing for the real thing when it comes to food, if my body doesn't like something, it goes on the list of "not worth the trouble" things in life.

[Major Nikon]

229. Not a bad plan

It's not as if we don't have thousands of other choices available for the same nutrients.

[2naSalit]

232. That's how I see it......nt

[womanofthehills]

185. can you drink lactose free milk?

[2naSalit]

224. Not sure

but I don't really care to drink milk. What I learned from trying fat free alternatives is that I hate the way they taste and I don't like some of the side effects, I'd rather just go without those specific things a find something else that isn't a manufactured pretend foodstuff. There are plenty of other foods that do the same thing nutrient-wise that I really don't care for the "not the real thing" alternatives.

[Odin2005]

21. Just another scam to seperate upper-middle class latte liberals from their money.

[Liberal_in_LA]

25. ...

[Demonaut]

26. to avoid the growth hormone just look at the label or buy at costco

more than likely the milk you saw was lactose free too

[Aerows]

48. Goat's milk

is a lot easier on the digestive system. Sheep's milk is on the richer side like Cow's milk.

[Aerows]

29. There is no such thing as "organic" milk

Milk, during the pasteurization process is separated from the milk fat, and then the milk fat is added back in at whatever quantity (1%, 2%, 4% or half and half 8.5%, etc.)

I don't know how somebody concocted an idea that the milk you buy in the grocery store is straight from the cow, because it isn't, and thank heaven's for that.

[47of74]

35. We used to get milk straight out of our bulk tank when I was growing up.

Almost straight from the cow, as it were, before it was pasteurized. My Grandparents did too from their own tank, as did many of the other farmers in the area.

We quit doing that when I was a teenager. Namely because my dad's cholesterol levels got a bit on the high side and his doctor recommended switching to 1% milk. That's when we started buying the milk from the store like everyone else. My grandparents eventually switched too as they got older. Still they had been drinking raw milk for decades and both lived over 89 years.

Knowing what I know now I certainly wouldn't consume raw milk. I'd want to go with something that's been pasteurized.

I suppose our farm's milk wouldn't qualify as organic because of the fact that we use robots for the milking process.

[Aerows]

47. There's a dairy farm about a mile away from me

I get to look at the cows, see the cows, and they sure look like they are hot when they drench themselves in mud to fight off the heat.

I don't want to drink off of that until it has been sterilized.

I realize that separating the fat globules from the pure sounds astonishing to people that have absolutely no idea where milk comes from and how it is produced, but yes, I'll take mine pasteurized and with the required fat content added back in.

[47of74]

100. Yeah the robots make sure to clean em off

I think it's actually more sanitary than methods that involve people because the brushes do a good job of cleaning then down there the brushes are themselves cleaned between each use. Still to get the milk really healthy it has to be pasteurized.

Been our experience that cows usually like to take water and throw it on to their backs to cool down. Cows that are being milked we keep in the barn, cows that aren't producing milk go out to the fields but when it gets too hot out they like to come back to the nice cool barn too. We have some Big Ass fans (no really that's the brand name http://www.bigassfans.com/) that we use to try to keep the barn cool and make sure they have access to lots of water at all times. We try to make sure they're not stressed because unstressed, relaxed cows equal more milk. The robots were expensive but dad said we've already made back the cost of the robots in the increased amount of milk the cows produce these days.

[Aerows]

109. A lot of people pretend to know where their food comes from.

A lot of them wouldn't know a pasture if they fell in one.

[HuckleB]

115. YUP. And there are plenty of them around here.

[Aerows]

32. Was it gluten free, too?

If there is a reason to up the price on something, it will happen.

[Demonaut]

49. all milk is gluten free unless it's flavored

[Aerows]

50. Yes. I think we all know this.

It is what is known as an ironic statement designed to produce humor.

I'm unsure if I made enough warning labels.

[Demonaut]

52. lol, sorry...I was going to post "are you serious?" but I respect you too much

on edit
many companies are advertising the obvious as a means to make more, as you suggested

all popcorn is non-gmo but the redenbacher company markets theirs as non-gmo to take advantage of the ignorant

I fell for it

[Aerows]

62. :wink:

the best ones are those that catch us off guard.

[GulfCoast66]

74. 1 percent of Americans

Have real life alternating reactions to gluten...10% are hypochondriacs.

Grain crops and dairy are what allowed humans to leave the hunter/gather stage. We finally had a way to store food for the lean times.

[Aerows]

75. Thanks to cats which protected our grain stores

they were fundamental in allowing us to produce technology of silos. Tooth and claw.

[Major Nikon]

211. It's a learned trait

[Chan790]

193. I was in a local organic grocery yesterday...

and they'd stuck "Gluten-free!" stickers on all their meat.

[niyad]

33. where do you shop? at the supermarket I use, organic gallon is 5.17. regular is 2.99 to 3.59.

[obamanut2012]

107. Yup, me too -- Whole Foods & Trader Joe's organic is similar

[HuckleB]

117. Not for price in most places.

Still, organic is more expensive for no good reason, so don't waste your money.

Give it to people who can't afford to eat.

[niyad]

128. yes, the whole foods and tj here are very similar in that regard, as well as my supermarket.

[HuckleB]

116. This week.

And why should organic be more expensive at all?

[Crunchy Frog]

38. I'm glad you've got something really serious to worry about.

People spending excessively on milk is far more alarming than people mowing down other people with assault weapons.

I'm glad I've got DU to tell me where my priorities should be.

[HuckleB]

121. How dare people care about consumers getting scammed.

[Crunchy Frog]

163. When you become dictator, you can tell everyone

What they have to buy and what they can't buy.

Then we will attain utopia. Probably.

[HuckleB]

164. And your red herring is even more ridiculous.

Buy what you want.

If you demonize perfectly good products in order to con people into spending more money on your products, i will criticize that practice.

Why do you have have a problem with that?

[hunter]

39. It's always the "summer sausage" that disturbs me.

What the hell is that stuff?

Non rotting meat substance.

That and Cheez Whiz.

On crackers.

I think it's food for the aliens that walk among us; they apparently require much more sodium in their diet than humans.

[Aerows]

46. I'll eat pretty much anything on earth

But "head cheese"?

There is no cheese involved. It's leftovers repackaged as "cheese".

Not just no, hell no.

[Logical]

41. They know the health nuts will pay for it so why not? Nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

43. I'll convene the prayer circle on your behalf.

[bkkyosemite]

51. Because there are fewer small dairy's that produce the milk and the polluted milk from

large corporations are trying to squeeze them out.

[womanofthehills]

66. best tasting milk ever from small independent dairy farmers

[bkkyosemite]

165. Even a non organic dairy in Oregon uses no antibiotics, hormones etc and their

cows are grass fed. They are having a terrible time with the big corporations yet their milk is safer for my granddaughter to drink so I buy that or Organic.

[Major Nikon]

124. The vast majority of all dairy farms have less than 100 cows

There's also zero evidence so-called "organic" milk is safer or more nutritious, probably because "organic" marketing certification has zero to do with safety or nutrition.

"Our regulations do not address food safety or nutrition."

[ciaobaby]

57. http://www.thedailymeal.com/why-you-should-stop-drinking-milk-right-now/013014

[Aerows]

61. I'll just go about ignoring the hell out of this

because I drink milk and am probably healthier than 50% of the people in the room.

Goats milk is easier on some people's systems, but I'm not about to say "don't drink milk". That's just ... odd.

[ciaobaby]

68. Good decision - much like your decision to drink milk from another species.

[Aerows]

70. Go forth, non-milk drinking warrior!

defend our lands from people that eat a balanced diet!

[Major Nikon]

88. Unless you are a practicing cannibal, everything you consume comes from another species

[Agnosticsherbet]

77. It is a marketing method to appeal to the middle class.

So that we think we are actually doing something for the environment.

[djean111]

79. If you think organic milk is nonsensical, and if regular milk is still the same price,

why would you need to bother yourself about it? Are you just as upset that some cars cost $50,000 and other cars cost $10,000?
That some sneakers cost the moon, and sneakers at Payless are really inexpensive?
Do caviar and truffles make you angry? It is all a choice, and as long as people with little money are not having to pay the high prices, I don't see the issue here, unless you are using price as a scapegoat for not caring for the whole organic thing anyway.

I wish organic milk was the worst "scam" in the country today. It is just a personal choice. Like buying a Timex or a Rolex. Both tell time.

No, I don't buy organic milk. I love sour cream and using heavy cream in recipes, but the thought of drinking milk makes me gag, for some reason. Maybe because I spent six years in a place charmingly called The Southern Home for Destitute Children, and we got milk donated right from a dairy farm, all cold and in the big silvery metal cans. When I got out, I drank a glass of milk from the grocery store, and that was not what I was used to. Never drank another glass of milk from about age 12. (70, no prescription drugs needed, so I didn't miss anything essential)

[Major Nikon]

86. That's pretty much the way I look at it

If someone wants to pay more for the same thing, more power to them.

On the other side of the coin, what differentiates marketing from a scam is people who buy a Rolex know they are paying significantly more for something that performs the same function. I don't think that's the case for "organic", which is and always has been nothing more than a marketing term which fully relies on people not knowing it's nothing more than a marketing term.

[Archae]

95. Yup.

People buy Rolex watches as a status symbol, basically.

They know it'll tell time about as well as a regular watch, just that it's fancier.

But organic vs ordinary milk, the organic industry (which is an industry, worth billions,) wants people to buy their trendy food, "organic," "no GMO," "natural," etc.

Milk is milk, just organic producers are using a marketing scam to get people to pay more for theirs.

That's why they are using scare tactics and flat-out deception.

[djean111]

134. As someone said, below, that's capitalism.

I don't consider it my business how others spend their money. If the organic milk was BAD for those who buy it, then you would have a point.

Honestly, I am more perturbed about Big Pharma's commercials, pushing drugs. Like Yaz. looked sexy and fun!!!! Had to be recalled! Stuff like that, that really can hurt people.

[TexasBushwhacker]

92. Part of that is because they price regular milk at or below cost

It gets people in the door and they end up buying more profitable things as well.

Organic milk is priced high because it costs more wholesale AND because people will pay more. The store is free to price all their goods at as high a price as they can sell them without cutting into their sales volume. It's called CAPITALISM.

[Archae]

96. It's called bullshit.

Milk is milk. Period.

[TexasBushwhacker]

99. Are you saying milk from a dairy that is certified organic

is not organic or are you saying organic in general is bullshit? If buying organic isn't important to you, don't buy it. If you want organic and the price is too high, that's the breaks. BTW, organic milk does go on sale sometimes and you can freeze it. There's a store nearby me that has gallons for $4.99 this week.

[Major Nikon]

113. It's definitely not organic, and it's definitely no more than a marketing term

Whether or not this makes it bullshit is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

[TexasBushwhacker]

125. The "organic" label does have to meet certain federal

standards per the USDA. However, labeling something "natural" does not. "Natural" can mean anything the manufacturer wants, but most mean no artificial colors, flavors, sweeteners, etc. I used to work at Whole Foods.

USDA Organic Standards are here.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards

[Major Nikon]

127. There's all sorts of culinary terms that have to meet federal standards

All of it has to do with marketing. That's why the National Organic Program is managed out of the USDA Agricultural Marketing Service.

"Our regulations do not address food safety or nutrition."

"Organic" doesn't mean organic.

[Aerows]

145. Visit a dairy farm.

Just pick one in your area.

It is industrialized by design and necessity.

If I had my way, we would have ditched cow's milk for goat's milk years ago. That's just me.

[TexasBushwhacker]

150. I prefer goat milk too

And I buy it when I can afford it. I found out that its protein is Casein B vs cow milk's Casein A. Many people digest casein B better. In fact, a lot of people who think they can't handle cows milk because of the lactose do just fine with goat milk.

My mother was born in 1934 and drank goat milk as a baby. They nicknamed her "Billie" because of it.

[womanofthehills]

187. Actually, my 5 yr old grandson told me the milk I have tastes better than what he drinks at home

[Major Nikon]

210. Some commercially available milk does taste better than others

Has nothing to do with organic. There's plenty of non-organic milk that tastes better than the cheapest store brands. It's a little more expensive, but at least you aren't paying even more for marketing that adds nothing to quality, safety, or nutrition.

[Sunlei]

93. around here(houston) regular retail milk is about 4.70 a gal. & horizons organic about $8-10 halfg.

IMO, the organic tastes much better probably because of the way different diet, better conditions and medications used or not used on cows.

The high production dairies dump cows to slaughter soon as they don't get pregnant or develop infections of udder or hoof(the 'silage' diet, 'extreme milking' and conditions ruins their hooves) A lot of those poor cows are only about 4 years old.

[TexasBushwhacker]

132. Where are you shopping?

I'm in Houston and I just got store brand milk at Randall's for $2. It's been under $3 for months. The Horizons Organic was about $4 per half gallon. HEB has organic gallons for $4.99 this week.

[Sunlei]

171. I shop at all those places at the wrong time for the best milk prices.

I'm probably way to particular about our dairy products but they've(milk,butter,cheeses) always been a cornerstone of the daily diet around here. On the positive side we can go days without meat in the house!

[TexasBushwhacker]

174. I confess, milk us milk to me

I don't think I've purchased name brand conventional (like Borden) milk, cheese or butter unless there was some kind if great sale. Have you tried Sprouts? I like them.

I have a good source of grass fed beef and pastured eggs if you are interested.

[B2G]

97. So don't buy it. nt

[LoverOfLiberty]

98. It is my understanding

that the price of a gallon of milk is not reflective of the price it costs to provide it to the consumer, rather it is a loss leader for stores.

[Gomez163]

101. What cracks me up is people buy organic everything and still drink alcohol like fish.

[HuckleB]

118. Organic liquor, beer, and wine are the biggest scams of all!

The silliness is astounding.

[womanofthehills]

188. I think organic wine is a good idea because grapes are one of the most heavily pesticided fruits

[Major Nikon]

192. Organic wine production uses enough copper sulfate to choke a horse

So much in fact that some French wine producers are abandoning organic certification out of environmental concerns.

Benoit Braujou, of Domaine Fons Sanatis in the Hérault area of Languedoc, left Ecocert after six years, telling French magazine Réussir Vigne, ‘using 5kg of copper a year per hectare just seemed crazy’.

[HuckleB]

215. Organic wine is bad for the environment.

http://vinepair.com/wine-blog/heres-why-your-organic-wine-is-actually-really-bad-for-the-environment/

[brewens]

103. I have to say I was impressed by the organic orange juice I got to try at Costco

a couple weeks ago. It was really good, but not more than double the price good, than the stuff I usually buy. I have done zero research on just what qualifies as an organic certified product. I would suspect we will be hearing many stories of scams on that though.

[HuckleB]

120. It doesn't need to be organic to be good, and the stuff you taste...

... isn't likely to be the stuff in the bottle, any way.

[HuckleB]

110. #1 Reason Organic Food Might Be a Scam

https://thepeopleschemist.com/number-1-reason-organic-food-might-be-a-scam/

[TexasBushwhacker]

136. White flour and rice and most cereals are fortified too

The "People's Chemist" also feeds his kids raw cow's or goat's milk with raw egg yolks mixed in. Hello E coli and Salmonella! Thanks but no thanks.

[Major Nikon]

142. As do millions of other people without getting sick

When I was growing up, virtually all our milk came from our neighbor's dairy, uncooked and not homogenized. Drinking raw milk has a very low risk of e coli. Eating raw eggs has an extremely low risk of salmonelosis. Lots of other things you probably eat routinely have higher risk of pathogens. As an organic chemist I'm sure he understands what the actual risks are and knows how to mitigate them even farther.

[HuckleB]

153. So you have no actual response.

No one is surprised.

[TexasBushwhacker]

156. I read the People's Chemist article

His main beef with organic foods is that some are fortified. I simply pointed out that plenty of conventional foods are fortified as well.

[HuckleB]

157. So you still have no actual response.

No one is surprised.

(Clue: If you haven't figured out that even the scam artists are attacking this scam, then there is little hope.)

[Scootaloo]

126. But was it gluten-free?

Edit: I see someone beat me to it. Don't care.

[Aerows]

133. I beat you to it

because that was an absolutely great episode of South Park.

[former9thward]

143. A fool and his money are soon parted.

They were doing organic back in 1587.

If they pay a penie or two pence more for the reddinesse of them..let them looke to that, a foole and his money is soone parted.

Dr. John Bridges' Defence of the Government of the Church of England, 1587

[EV_Ares]

151. I don't know where you are buying your milk but I have never paid anywhere that for organic milk and

the average price across country is:

The U.S. weighted average advertised price of organic milk half gallons is $4.03, up 11 cents from last week and up 34 cents from a year ago.Jun 3, 2016

I get mine at Costco & Sprouts, sometimes at Walmart & it is around $3 something a 1/2 gallon.

[JCMach1]

166. 2-2.50 per gallon for Braum's... no antibiotics or growth hormones

but doesn't certify organic... close enough for my household... http://www.braums.com/whats-new/braums-milk-100-natural-and-rbgh-free/

If you are in TX, or OK anyway...

So yeah, that organic is a ripoff...

[Major Nikon]

179. Braum's skim milk is pretty tasty

Unlike most other skim milk they concentrate theirs which gives it more flavor.

[leeroysphitz]

194. and if it isn't a scam then it's elitest that only the rich get to eat healthy food. n/t

[djean111]

204. That is pretty much life in these United States. For everything, including food. n/t

[Major Nikon]

234. "Our regulations do not address food safety or nutrition."

http://www.ams.usda.gov/about-ams/programs-offices/national-organic-program

So-called "organic" is nothing more than a marketing program managed by the USDA Marketing Service that provides exactly zero guarantee of food safety, nutrition, or even organic.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/organic-food-no-more-nutritious-than-conventionally-grown-food-201209055264

[merrily]

203. Organic milk is $6.49 a GALLON from a delivery service in Boston, which is

pricier than most areas.

Granted, it is more than ordinary milk--for good reasons, I think--but no one is forced to buy organic.

In my mind, if there is no deception or coercion, there is no reason to complain.

[Major Nikon]

213. What are those good reasons?

"Organic" doesn't mean organic, and the label is nothing more than a marketing term that doesn't guarantee any of the things it deceives its target customers into believing it provides.

I could also get into coercion, but that's a different subject.

[EV_Ares]

220. You are correct, we usually buy it at Costco or Sprouts Markets & it is a little more than regular

but it is better than regular milk because the organic farming and dairy practices are better for the environment for one reason but also because of their reduced use of pesticides, antibiotics, hormones and other synthetic chemical compounds. You get these benefits and the organic milk lasts longer so it still is a good buy. Grass fed cows would naturaly provide a healthier product. All that said, doesn't mean regular milk is not OK.

[MadDAsHell]

205. I worked at a grocery store for about five years in my 20s.

An equally disturbing trend is that in my experience (and my perceptions could be wrong) the people that tend to buy organic were the people that seem to have the least amount of money.

This was 15 years ago, but it seemed that nearly everyone that bought organic (and soy come to think of it) from our store is what we would today call a "hipster," and it seemed like half of them worked in the little independent coffee shops in town making $5-$6 an hour.

Organic didn't even seem to be on the radar of our average customer, or it was and they had no interest in paying that kind of premium for it.

I'm painting with a broad brush here and perception isn't reality, but that was my perspective as a college kid in his 20s at the time.