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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:44 PM Jun 2016

How should Hillary Clinton dress? However she goddamn pleases

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by etherealtruth (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Fashion
Ask Hadley

Witchy, too girly, mumsy or a bit like Jimmy Krankie – you’d never hear the same level of criticism for leftwing male politicians

Hadley Freeman

Now that Hillary Clinton is almost certainly going to be the Democratic candidate, how should she dress?

Melanie, by email


Oh, it’s easy, Melanie! She just needs to be perfectly groomed at all times, but not look high-maintenance; she must wear gorgeous clothes, but they must not cost any money; she should look relatable but never “mumsy”; she must be feminine but not girly; she needs to look tough, but not like a bitch; she has to have perfect hair but spend no money on it; also her hair must not be too long (witchy) or too short (Jimmy Krankie); she must never have plastic surgery, but nor can she look old; she must think about her appearance at all times and simultaneously never think about such a frivolous issue; she has to look reassuringly presidential, which means looking like past male presidents, but she must never look masculine; she can’t wear dresses (too girly), but she also can’t wear trousers (too butch); she can’t wear makeup, but she must also always look as good as if she was wearing makeup; she should dress age-appropriate, but she must also never look like a 68-year-old woman; she should celebrate being a woman, but she also must not remind any men of their mother/ex-wife/any woman in their life who once made them feel sad.

But where, you ask, does one find such a magical outfit? Easy! You just buy it at the shop next door to the etiquette school that teaches female politicians how to have a speaking voice that is both strong and decisive, but also feminine and soft; how to be smart, but never ambitious; serious but not humourless; driven but not bossy; focused but not boring; tough but not a bitch; not too pretty but also not too ugly. After those lessons, they can then pop next door to the Female Politician Mentoring School, where they are taught that they should care about women’s issues, but never speak about them; they should never be the boss of any man (because then she’s a bitch boss), but also not the subordinate of any man (because then it looks like she slept her way into the job). Most of all, that they need 10 times more experience than any male politician to prove their worthiness, but also not be tainted by any actual political past. Some say that the contradictory expectations placed on female politicians suggests some people would rather they didn’t exist at all, but I say that’s nonsense. After all, look how easy-peasy it is!

I’ve written before about how leftwing male politicians, such as Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders, are celebrated for looking like they just rolled out of a haystack, as this is taken as a sign of how real they are. But if a female politician appears without a professional blowdry it is assumed she is but one step away from being sectioned in a psychiatric hospital. I suspect a large part of the problem is that most men have no idea what it takes to look like a socially acceptable woman on camera. To prove this, a few months ago, there was – and I’m sorry for using the most annoying phrase in the English language – something interesting on Twitter. Women retweeted men claiming they prefer how women look without makeup, using photos of allegedly bare-faced female celebrities as evidence. Needless to say, all of these women – Emma Watson, Taylor Dayne, Kylie Jenner, Rihanna, Jennifer Lawrence – had clearly each spent about an hour with a professional makeup artist, but because they weren’t wearing bright-red lipstick, those doofuses assumed they weren’t wearing makeup. The fact is that Clinton has to submit to almost as much grooming every single goddamn day as an A-list actress does on Oscars night, just so she can get on with her job and not cause collective disgust in the populace at what a sixtysomething woman looks like. But because men (#notallmen #yesallmen) don’t know this, they then rear back in horror when a female politician fails to hit the magic sweet spot of being simultaneously perfectly groomed and not looking like she expends any effort or time on her grooming.

As regular readers know, I will defend fashion as a feminist pursuit to the last drop of blood in my body. But when people start gabbing on about Clinton’s clothes, focusing on some Armani jacket she once wore instead of noting that she is probably the most qualified candidate in living memory, it’s hard not to suppress the thought they’re not just belittling her, but setting up another hurdle of perfection for another female politician to jump. So, how should Clinton dress? Anyway she goddamn pleases. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Tina Brown.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/13/how-should-hillary-clinton-dress-however-she-goddamn-pleases
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How should Hillary Clinton dress? However she goddamn pleases (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2016 OP
Perfect! mcar Jun 2016 #1
This is never an issue MFM008 Jun 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #3
Or make fun of his hair... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #24
Well except when Hillary wears something more expensive than tRump... scscholar Jun 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #29
Well, TexasTowelie Jun 2016 #4
I seem to remember lots of hullabaloo about Bernie and wrinkled cheap suits and his refusal Live and Learn Jun 2016 #5
+1, down the 'willful' memory hole phazed0 Jun 2016 #6
In the context of yet another nasty pantsuit thread. I finally asked if Queen Elizabeth's dresses... Hekate Jun 2016 #19
In GENERAL men are criticized less MFM008 Jun 2016 #21
You must have read different posts than I have. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #30
Not wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author DonViejo Jun 2016 #8
You're not a woman are you? DonViejo Jun 2016 #10
Again wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #11
Interesting sangfroid Jun 2016 #9
I love Bernie lunatica Jun 2016 #12
exactly MFM008 Jun 2016 #22
At least women have choices. Only thing a man can change is his tie color davidn3600 Jun 2016 #13
I still think Tweed suits her best azurnoir Jun 2016 #14
Could be. greytdemocrat Jun 2016 #20
oh crap now im doing it MFM008 Jun 2016 #23
Exactly Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #15
honestly lets consider the implication of our first female president retrowire Jun 2016 #16
100% spot on Hekate Jun 2016 #17
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #18
Keep running with that snort Jun 2016 #25
The "About" paragraph on her Facebook page... Ino Jun 2016 #27
Can't rec this enough. yardwork Jun 2016 #28
K and r. cwydro Jun 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #32
Like a combination of Mao and Dr. Evil Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #33
I am sorry, LOCKING etherealtruth Jun 2016 #34

mcar

(46,056 posts)
1. Perfect!
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jun 2016

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
2. This is never an issue
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

With what MEN wear.....

Response to MFM008 (Reply #2)

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
24. Or make fun of his hair...
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jun 2016

or his orange complexion...or Bernies crazy hair or disheveled look. Why does Hillary have to put up with this stuff?

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
26. Well except when Hillary wears something more expensive than tRump...
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

could ever afford. He isn't as rich as he claims.

Response to scscholar (Reply #26)

TexasTowelie

(127,350 posts)
4. Well,
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jun 2016

there was that one time President Obama wore the tan suit and the fashionistas went nuts.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
5. I seem to remember lots of hullabaloo about Bernie and wrinkled cheap suits and his refusal
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

to wear a tuxedo.

There goes another theory!

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
6. +1, down the 'willful' memory hole
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
19. In the context of yet another nasty pantsuit thread. I finally asked if Queen Elizabeth's dresses...
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jun 2016

...hats, and gloves -- with handbag -- would be more appropriate. No one ever answered, oddly enough.

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
21. In GENERAL men are criticized less
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jun 2016

for their hair and makeup and jacket costs and frumpiness.
Ok maybe Sanders got criticized once for being wrinkled
but they don't do it with every appearance.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
30. You must have read different posts than I have. nt
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jun 2016

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
7. Not
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

the most pressing issue of the day.

Response to wallyworld2 (Reply #7)

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
10. You're not a woman are you?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

In fact, based on your response, I have to ask, did you even READ the article?

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
11. Again
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

It's not important

 

sangfroid

(212 posts)
9. Interesting
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jun 2016

And the writer of the article accuses Sanders of looking like he "...rolled out of a haystack."

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. I love Bernie
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jun 2016

and yes, he looks like he rolled out of a haystack. Being a man it's part of his charm and charisma.

If Hillary's hair did what his does, the horror would run wild on the internets!

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
22. exactly
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jun 2016

the Tweeterverse would implode.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
13. At least women have choices. Only thing a man can change is his tie color
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jun 2016

Plus, usually women are far more critical when it comes to fashion. They set the bar high for each other.

When I was watching one of the Democratic debates.... out of nowhere, my girlfriend said "what in god's name is she wearing?" I wasn't paying any attention to it until that moment.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. I still think Tweed suits her best
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016

greytdemocrat

(3,300 posts)
20. Could be.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe just don't spend 5 figures on 1???

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
23. oh crap now im doing it
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jun 2016

but she looked terrific in that with the polka dotted scarf.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,096 posts)
15. Exactly
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jun 2016

In training one day, the company brought in people--who did not work for the org--to watch us speak and give feedback. The feedback for the men was substantive and for me it was: "I think you should part your hair on the other side," "The color of your suit is not your best color." It was enlightening.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
16. honestly lets consider the implication of our first female president
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

For all time, a suit has been the standard garb for our presidents.

A suit isn't traditionally a woman's wear so the question of what Hillary would wear is valid.

It shouldn't be phrased as what she "should" wear though because I agree, it's her business.

But what would a woman president wear? Regular business formal? It's interesting to think about.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
17. 100% spot on
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016

Jeez I get sick of DUers picking apart her clothing choices and giving her grooming advice.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. K&R
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

snort

(2,334 posts)
25. Keep running with that
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

Chairman Mao by Zoolander look.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
27. The "About" paragraph on her Facebook page...
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

lists "hair icon, pantsuit aficionado" as two important facts about her, right before presidential candidate.

Is Hillary being sexist? Is she encouraging a focus on those things?

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/

Wife, mom, grandma, women+kids advocate, FLOTUS, Senator, SecState, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, presidential candidate.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
28. Can't rec this enough.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jun 2016
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
31. K and r.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jun 2016

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
33. Like a combination of Mao and Dr. Evil
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

I mean, it's all up to her how she wants to present herself, but I can't claim to understand her reasoning.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
34. I am sorry, LOCKING
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jun 2016

It is the consensus of the HOSTS that since admin has extended the date for the change from primary to general election season until Monday, June 20 .... this post falls under the categaory of "a post about the democratic Primary/ Democratic Primary candidate."


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