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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:19 PM Jun 2016

Brand New Monmouth University Poll- Clinton 47% Trump 40% (registered voters) 49-41 (likely voters)






West Long Branch, NJ – In a head-to-head contest for president, Hillary Clinton leads Donald
Trump by 7 points among registered voters and by 8 points among likely voters. The Democrat’s lead
shrinks by a point when potential third party support is taken into account. Both major party nominees
remain unpopular, but more voters say it is important to keep Trump rather than Clinton out of the White
House. The latest Monmouth University Poll also finds that attitudes towards terrorism and the
Republican nominee’s proposed Muslim ban have not changed much since the Orlando tragedy.
Currently, Clinton holds a 7 point lead in a direct match-up against Trump – 47% to 40% among
registered voters nationally. Among those who are likely to cast ballots in November, the Democrat’s
edge expands to 49%–41%. Importantly, Clinton holds a 47% to 39% lead in the all-important swing
states – ten states where the winning margin in the 2012 election was less than seven points


http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/568faad2-81ab-4bd0-b373-8577326e76bd.pdf
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Brand New Monmouth University Poll- Clinton 47% Trump 40% (registered voters) 49-41 (likely voters) (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 OP
I can't believe that it's that close. lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #1
I'll take your 47 and raise you 10. 6chars Jun 2016 #2
Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #3
And most of those negatives are from Sanders supporters Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #9
And yet MSNBC is claiming that Hillary has lost points against Rump stopbush Jun 2016 #4
MSNBC is full of shit Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #6
Don't Kill The Messenger jamese777 Jun 2016 #20
Media will always claim its closer than it really is IronLionZion Jun 2016 #18
^^THIS^^ Sophiegirl Jun 2016 #21
That's WAY too close... n/t TygrBright Jun 2016 #5
Just wait until more sanders people get on board Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #7
We have to find a way to stop alienating them, first. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #12
So in other words, nothing has changed since the Reuters poll on the 9th? phazed0 Jun 2016 #8
You can't really compare individual polls from different pollsters. Adrahil Jun 2016 #10
Sure I can.. phazed0 Jun 2016 #11
538 is averaging polls. It isn't comparing polls. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #16
OK, so polls averaged.. still not looking good. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #25
I guess it depends if one is a Clinton supporter or a Trump supporter. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #26
Democrats usually do worse with likely voter samples, not better bluestateguy Jun 2016 #13
Keep ignoring polls, for now SpankMe Jun 2016 #14
That's a little close for a solid blue state in a POTUS year... demmayhem Jun 2016 #15
Its a National Poll jamese777 Jun 2016 #24
Its WAY too early to give this any weight. I mean its better than being behind, but ....... fifthquartile Jun 2016 #17
Let's Vote! moreland01 Jun 2016 #19
The political bettin houses Cryptoad Jun 2016 #22
"Romney Leads Obama by 7 points" jamese777 Jun 2016 #23
Yes I remember bluestateguy Jun 2016 #27
National polls are always problematic NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #28
ALL I KNOW IS THE DEMS HAVE TO PULL THIS OUT!!!!!! eom a kennedy Jun 2016 #29

6chars

(3,967 posts)
2. I'll take your 47 and raise you 10.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

There is upside potential. A lot of her negatives are based on a caricature of who she really is. Can't say the same for Trump's negatives.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
9. And most of those negatives are from Sanders supporters
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

She had really good numbers until about 8 weeks ago and then Sanders supporters got angry. She has about 70% of them on board right now and most of the undecideds in the head to head polls against trump are Sanders holdouts. Its pretty much only a pool of potential clinton voters left to win over. Trump has no one left to draw in.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
4. And yet MSNBC is claiming that Hillary has lost points against Rump
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jun 2016

since Orlando.

That one showed up in my FB feed.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
6. MSNBC is full of shit
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

They always want to claim an election is close when it isn't. I remember on election night 2008, after the first results were coming in, they were saying that the night was shaping up to be a repeat of 2004. That channel has no credibility.

jamese777

(546 posts)
20. Don't Kill The Messenger
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016

There is a Bloomberg Poll that shows Hillary trouncing Trump by 12 but he gets a better score on combatting terrorism:
"One bit of positive news for Trump in the results is that he narrowly edges out Clinton, 45 percent to 41 percent, when those surveyed were asked which candidate they would have more confidence in if a similar attack to the one in Florida took place a year from now. The violence left 49 victims dead, the worst mass shooting in U.S. history.
Fifty percent to 45 percent, Trump is also viewed as stronger among likely voters in combating terrorist threats at home and abroad."
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-14/bloomberg-politics-national-poll-june-2016

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
18. Media will always claim its closer than it really is
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jun 2016

because close is more exciting and gets more viewers.

Hillary will generally have a higher lead than what any mainstream media outlet reports. Nate Silver has had the most accurate polling over the last 8 years and he is favoring Hillary to win by 75% probability.



Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
7. Just wait until more sanders people get on board
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jun 2016

That 8 point lead will easily move into double digits.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
10. You can't really compare individual polls from different pollsters.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

The differences in methodology make them impossible to interpret on that level of detail. Look at the polls aggregates and trends there. There has been a good 5-6 point shift towards Clinton in that. That's pretty significant. But it's a long way to November.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
11. Sure I can..
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

There's a whole site that is dedicated to doing just that. http://fivethirtyeight.com/

Also, 5pts has been the margin of error numbers for most of these... so that's not good in my eyes. Yes it could be higher for Clinton but that would be guessing, it may very well may be a very close race, ATM.

I'm quite worried about the General, Hillary can spit out a bunch of reasonable stuff.. but it's been pretty clear that "reasonable stuff" isn't what wins.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. 538 is averaging polls. It isn't comparing polls.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jun 2016

You can't cite a poll by Pollster X taken on such and such a date and compare it with a poll by Pollster Y on such and such a date. You can compare two polls at different dates by the same pollster though.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
14. Keep ignoring polls, for now
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

These things change on a dime. Who knows what October surprises Republicans have in store for us? Who knows how much worse Trump can get. (We aren't even close to seeing the bottom of this moron;s barrel.)

If I see Hillary up by 7 or more within 2 weeks of the election, I'll feel better. (Voters are flakey and have a short memory.) But, as for now, even a 15 point lead doesn't mean anything.

fifthquartile

(5 posts)
17. Its WAY too early to give this any weight. I mean its better than being behind, but .......
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

Remember 1988 - Dukakis led Bush in the polls most of the year. Then got destroyed in the general :

Dukakis Lead Widens, According to New Poll
Published: July 26, 1988 NY Times

Fifty-five percent of the 948 registered voters interviewed in the poll said they preferred to see Mr. Dukakis win the 1988 Presidential election, while 38 percent said they preferred to see Mr. Bush win. The poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points.

This represented a shift in Mr. Dukakis's lead from the 47 percent to 41 percent advantage he held in the last pre-convention Gallup Poll, taken by telephone July 8-10. In that poll, 1,001 registered voters were interviewed.

The survey of 504 registered voters likely to cast ballots, conducted on Friday and Saturday by Peter Hart, a Democratic poll taker, showed Mr. Dukakis leading Mr. Bush by 50 percent to 40 percent.

moreland01

(739 posts)
19. Let's Vote!
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jun 2016

What are we waiting for? It's only going to get way worse for Trump. Bring it on. I refuse to hand-wring for 4 more months. Hillary is going to win. Any other outcome is impossible to fathom, so I won't.

Love the video!

jamese777

(546 posts)
23. "Romney Leads Obama by 7 points"
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

This Gallup Poll was from late OCTOBER, 2012, not June.
Gallup Poll: Romney Leads Obama 52-45

Mitt Romney extended his lead Sunday over President Barack Obama in a much-discussed Gallup poll that shows the GOP challenger now leading by 7 points, 52-45, among likely voters.

While most surveys show Obama and Romney locked in a virtual dead heat, Gallup alone finds that the Republican would win by a comfortable margin if the election were held today.

Questions about the gap between Gallup's findings and those of other pollsters is the latest fuss this election season over polling methodology as partisan passions come to a boil in the heated final weeks before the November 6 presidential contest.

With a record of correctly predicting all but three of the 19 presidential races stretching back to 1936, Gallup is one of the most prestigious names in the business and its outlier status has other polling experts scratching their heads, Reuters reported.

On Sunday, Gallup Editor in Chief Frank Newport said the polling company’s methodology is “extremely solid.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gallup-poll-romney-leads/2012/10/21/id/460837/#ixzz4C9UWqynj

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
27. Yes I remember
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

That poll had me in a panic. But the state polls, even at that time, still looked good for Obama.

I also remember that poll got Bob Beckel at Fox to say the election was "over".

But even in that flawed poll, Obama gradually closed the deficit to one point by election eve.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
28. National polls are always problematic
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

because we don't elect presidents by national popular votes. There have been enough of them in the past that have been not only wrong, but catastrophically wrong, especially this early in the process.

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