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Ivanka for VP... (Original Post) 63splitwindow Jun 2016 OP
Hey She'd Be Better than Any Other Republican but Aren't they Both Residents of New York? Stallion Jun 2016 #1
No it's not oberliner Jun 2016 #10
According to he 12th Amendment they cannot be from the same state. WillowTree Jun 2016 #13
This is correct Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #14
Cheney had to be from Wyoming Aerows Jun 2016 #17
No it's not oberliner Jun 2016 #19
It may not be the 12th Amendment Aerows Jun 2016 #24
Nothing in the constitution bars presidential and vice-presidential candidates from the same state oberliner Jun 2016 #25
Not feeling Snopes lately. Aerows Jun 2016 #28
I'll help you out. HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #32
It is not correct oberliner Jun 2016 #21
Incorrect. There is no prohibition on a presidential and VP candidate from the same state tritsofme Jun 2016 #22
That's not true oberliner Jun 2016 #18
Presuming they had a shot to win NY BlackLivesMatter Jun 2016 #30
Yes, I Have RobinA Jun 2016 #34
It's actually the least icky thing he could imagine for her. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #2
Eewwwwwww... nt 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #3
Hahaha In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #4
She didn't even know that malaise Jun 2016 #5
and she will turn 35 just before halloween. niyad Jun 2016 #6
Ha! I Just Checked-She Turns 35 on October 30th Which I Guess Would Comply with 12th Amendment Stallion Jun 2016 #7
And she could quickly change residency... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #9
Can't...or rather, shouldn't. Chan790 Jun 2016 #8
Actually . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jun 2016 #11
Remember, this is the guy who actually said... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #15
Is that a character from Ice Age? Bucky Jun 2016 #12
To be fair, she is quite pretty Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #16
My mileage may vary Bucky Jun 2016 #20
To each his own and all that Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #23
What do you mean by HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #33
she doesn't look like either one Skittles Jun 2016 #26
I agree. I think she is very pretty and seems to handle herself with class. skylucy Jun 2016 #27
She is beautiful. 840high Jun 2016 #31
Doeschn't anyone love Schidd the schlothf? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #29

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
1. Hey She'd Be Better than Any Other Republican but Aren't they Both Residents of New York?
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jun 2016

constitutionally prohibited

I'm telling you if she ever got in politics and put in some work at the legislative level she might be a great Republican candidate. She's poised and intelligent unlike her father. Graduated Magna Cum Laude from Penn with a degree in Economics

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
14. This is correct
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jun 2016

At least I assume its the 12 amendment and not another one. All I know is that the president and vp need to be from different states.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. It may not be the 12th Amendment
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jun 2016

Frankly, I don't remember which one it is. If somebody wants to go look it up, that's fine.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Nothing in the constitution bars presidential and vice-presidential candidates from the same state
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jun 2016

The 12th Amendment does say that electors cannot vote for a president and vice president who both reside in their home state. That may be the source of some of the confusion.

Check this out:

Claim: The U.S. constitution requires that presidential and vice-presidential candidates be from different states

FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vicepresident.asp

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. Not feeling Snopes lately.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:29 AM
Jun 2016

They've been wrong on a few too key things. Great for internet scams ...

as long as you don't fall for one.

 

HarmonyRockets

(397 posts)
32. I'll help you out.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:27 AM
Jun 2016

Snopes isn't lying to you bud. Just curious, what have they been wrong about lately? And why would they lie about the 12th amendment?

Anyways, Article II states:

"The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves."

The twelfth amendment altered the electoral college process so that there was a separate ballot for VP. The rule of not being able to use both votes on a person from an elector's home state remained in effect.

So, the idea that it is unconstitutional for a President and VP to be from the same state is a myth. If Trump were to win NY, the state's electors would not be able to cast a vote for both of Donald and Ivanka. Like someone else pointed out, this can be avoided by having one of the candidates change his or her residence, as Cheney did in 2000 from Texas to Wyoming.

If Trump doesn't win NY (and there's no way he would), or if the race isn't extremely close (it's not within 29 electoral votes, so NY's electoral votes wouldn't matter), than it is all irrelevant anyways.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. It is not correct
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing in the constitution bars presidential and vice-presidential candidates from the same state.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
22. Incorrect. There is no prohibition on a presidential and VP candidate from the same state
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jun 2016

However if that ticket won their home state, only one candidate could receive it's electoral votes.

For instance, Obama could have chosen someone from Illinois as his running mate, and assuming the same results as 08 and 12, both could have served with no problem because Obama's electoral college victory was wide enough that neither needed Illinois' votes to clinch 270 votes, but the electors could still cast votes for one.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
34. Yes, I Have
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

seen her interviewed over the years and she does seem to have a working brain and is articulate.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
7. Ha! I Just Checked-She Turns 35 on October 30th Which I Guess Would Comply with 12th Amendment
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jun 2016

nm

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
9. And she could quickly change residency...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jun 2016

it's doable!!! Gotta be a place in the Cabinet for the boys too!!!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
8. Can't...or rather, shouldn't.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

They're both NYC residents...the Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees for a party cannot come from the same state or else they have to forfeit that state's EC votes if they win the state.

Trump believes he will win NY...so he'd be an idiot to choose another New Yorker. She'd have to move to NJ...like immediately. It's not like she can move the day before being named...she has to be a legal resident and registered voter in her home state and I think the deadline is fast approaching for voter registration.

11. Actually . . .
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

. . . Amendment XII would operate only to prevent the New York Electors from voting for Donald Trump for President and Ivanka Trump for Vice President. That is, were Donald Trump to win the New York "popular vote," he could receive all of the votes of the New York Electors, but those same Electors could not cast their second vote for Ivanka Trump as Vice President. They'd have to vote for somebody else, if they wanted their second (Vice Presidential) vote to count.

Of course, not one element of this scenario will ever come into play in any event.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
15. Remember, this is the guy who actually said...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jun 2016

that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and lose no support and his "base" cheered even more wildly. We have, indeed, entered the Twilight Zone of election cycles.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
16. To be fair, she is quite pretty
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jun 2016

I think she gets it from her mom and not the spitting walrus that is her father

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
27. I agree. I think she is very pretty and seems to handle herself with class.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jun 2016

This, I believe, is a testament to how her MOTHER raised her.

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