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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:12 AM Jun 2016

OK. I've joined the crew that doesn't think Trump will be the nominee

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:55 AM - Edit history (1)

Prior to the last few days, I couldn't wrap my mind around his narcissism/ego allowing him to drop out. Now I can't wrap my mind around his narcissism/ego allowing him to stay in and get beaten to shit over the next few months let alone being beaten to shit on election day by Hillary- a woman.

The last few days have revealed his campaign as nothing but a Potemkin Village. It's not built to sustain over the next month let alone until November. What would be worse for his business concerns? Dropping out now under the flimsy, filmy veil of "health" or staying in and being beat to shit for the next 5 months? Or forget his business concerns, this guy's thin skin and perilously overinflated ego, will self-destruct long before November.

I just don't see him making it to November.

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OK. I've joined the crew that doesn't think Trump will be the nominee (Original Post) cali Jun 2016 OP
Trump will not be the nominee. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #1
OK. But why do you think he won't be? Who do you see as replacing him? cali Jun 2016 #4
Let's start first with a theoretical replacement. seabeckind Jun 2016 #35
The GOP would never draft a Democrat mcar Jun 2016 #46
Gotcha. seabeckind Jun 2016 #54
You can't be serious. The GOP base is going to accept a sufrommich Jun 2016 #50
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #58
I'm not supporting the "lesser of two evils" sufrommich Jun 2016 #61
We're not talking about you. seabeckind Jun 2016 #65
calling any old thing a personal attack shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #94
Lesser of two evils? Loki Jun 2016 #86
Good for you. seabeckind Jun 2016 #89
No it was the comment about lesser of two evils. Loki Jun 2016 #93
I knew exactly what you said. seabeckind Jun 2016 #97
I have no idea what you are talking about. Loki Jun 2016 #99
I definitely am voting more against trump than for HRC cali Jun 2016 #146
Tens of millions is just a little Loki Jun 2016 #149
It's not hyperbole. It's fact. It's baked in to her unfavorables. cali Jun 2016 #150
Well my cousin is/was a Bernie supporter Loki Jun 2016 #161
Well, there *will* be plenty of pigs at that convention. villager Jun 2016 #151
In your scenario rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #78
Probably... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #98
It may be a Ryan, but not Tim. The GOP would never draft a Democrat karynnj Jun 2016 #83
Quite a few battles are lost seabeckind Jun 2016 #91
True, but you have not made a case for why this would positively change the race karynnj Jun 2016 #120
Not happening GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #102
I honestly don't think there is a way to move Trump gently off the stage...any more Sheepshank Jun 2016 #121
Something like a Ryan-Lieberman ticket, or Romney-Whitman CanonRay Jun 2016 #53
Somebody more like Tim Ryan, not the Ryan with all the negatives. seabeckind Jun 2016 #55
Let's see..who is taking over :-) :-) RNC laserhaas Jun 2016 #60
The republican base despises Romney. There would be sufrommich Jun 2016 #64
Oh, they're revolting all right. Orrex Jun 2016 #74
Cruz MFM008 Jun 2016 #144
I'd give it 50/50 safeinOhio Jun 2016 #2
Unless Trump self-deports he is the nominee. NT. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #3
Why do you believe that? cali Jun 2016 #5
He has the pledged delegates for a first round win. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #6
Ya know, we all like to call Republicans stupid, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #9
It seems as though the people who most enjoy calling Republicans stupid are the same ones merrily Jun 2016 #24
Hmm. davidthegnome Jun 2016 #92
My post is about D.C. politicians. merrily Jun 2016 #148
They are relentless jackasses, no doubt, but they are dead in the water Cosmocat Jun 2016 #116
I suspect that they are gaspng at the thought of just giving it to Hillary... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #123
Unless he is no longer a contender seabeckind Jun 2016 #68
Right. Imho that is the only realistic scenario. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #72
This end game thing keeps coming up, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #7
a good summation. Much better than my op cali Jun 2016 #19
He'll either demand money from the RNC to drop out (the RNC, wiggs Jun 2016 #88
I think the GOP will let him sink like a rock Sheepshank Jun 2016 #122
It might not be a bad thing if this forces the adults in the GOP... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #124
I agree with you. FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #8
You may be right, one thing about money grubbers, safeinOhio Jun 2016 #25
Yeah the whole think is looking pretty grim but... jimlup Jun 2016 #10
money or the lack of it will drray23 Jun 2016 #143
Trump's ego won't allow it,that's my opinion. Look sufrommich Jun 2016 #11
I think his ego won't allow him to stay in. cali Jun 2016 #20
The last thing he is willing to be branded is a LOSER tk2kewl Jun 2016 #43
He is already planning on making the convention a sufrommich Jun 2016 #52
but that looks less and less likely to happen with every passing day cali Jun 2016 #67
I've been going back and forth on this one. crim son Jun 2016 #81
One thing about Donald Trump PJMcK Jun 2016 #82
I agree, and his kids are all in as well. His son DT jr was all over the airways yesterday Fla Dem Jun 2016 #113
Trump won the Republican primaries Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #12
I think you are right karynnj Jun 2016 #115
I don't think he will make it out of the convention... n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #13
Me, neither. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #79
The man is delusional-he actually thinks he is going to win. He won't ever drop out. LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #14
Schrodinger's Candidate. bemildred Jun 2016 #15
oh how I wish I could rec your comment. thank you so for the laugh cali Jun 2016 #21
Genius comment. merrily Jun 2016 #26
DUzy! malthaussen Jun 2016 #47
Thank you, Mal, I thought it needs work, but the idea is there ... bemildred Jun 2016 #49
I stole it to pass it on to others not on DU... malthaussen Jun 2016 #59
LOL - perfect. cyberswede Jun 2016 #56
Best response, IMO! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #111
Beauty, B! ProfessorGAC Jun 2016 #134
Great insight. +1000, nt. Mc Mike Aug 2016 #164
Could it all be one big con? Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #16
I agree. I think it's all been a con. seabeckind Jun 2016 #40
Romney Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #17
Romney winetourdriver Jun 2016 #48
Tells you he is smart, staying in his bomb shelter while everyone else is playing catch with Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #51
Given the choice between Romney, Ryan or Trump Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #101
The biggest thing that sunk Rmoney before was AllyCat Jun 2016 #90
The 47% worked against a person portrayed as a civic organizer, but against Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #95
Welcome aboard. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #18
He's the Music Man Lithos Jun 2016 #22
Hi, Lithos. Awfully nice to see you. cali Jun 2016 #27
...and unfortunately, whoever *is* the nominee will seem reasonable in comparison. cyberswede Jun 2016 #23
I can't see Jeb exboyfil Jun 2016 #76
Jeb Obviates The "Legacy" Card ProfessorGAC Jun 2016 #135
But he wrote his doctor's assessment of his health as "astonishingly excellent" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #28
Until that unknown heart blockage shows up. seabeckind Jun 2016 #62
That's so obvious greymattermom Jun 2016 #129
I admit that I've been a doubter about the Dump Trump movement. Adrahil Jun 2016 #29
Just think how much the RNC has sunk into the campaigns. seabeckind Jun 2016 #69
On morning Joe, one of the guests said if the GOP could just make to July 8, everything will be patricia92243 Jun 2016 #30
in a sample poll asking repukes who should replace Drumpf lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #136
The latest allegations of Trump having sex with a 13 year old may be his undoing. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #31
I don't think it is or will be any one thing- it's a trumpster full of shit cali Jun 2016 #33
He started out full of it. He has become more unhinged as time passes. Clearly, not able to deal ... In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #39
good point. the fuckwit can't deal with the pressures of the campaign cali Jun 2016 #42
trump will not bow out...thats more humilating than staying in...and GOP will destroy themselves if beachbum bob Jun 2016 #32
I think it would be far more humilitating for him to stay in cali Jun 2016 #34
Betting markets say 86% chance its still Trump BootinUp Jun 2016 #36
You know, I lost $6 on that dam Exaggerator. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #70
Who cares? Cary Jun 2016 #37
Most of us. It's interesting to watch on so many levels for so many reasons cali Jun 2016 #38
Much more than interesting Cary Jun 2016 #103
But it doesn't matter now if he is nominated. Cary Jun 2016 #104
I'm content to just wait and see. malthaussen Jun 2016 #41
I've been saying for months that the October Surprise... The_Commonist Jun 2016 #44
We better hope not..... vi5 Jun 2016 #45
Either way democrats stand to win huge rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #57
Unless they have someone phenomenal they can pull out of the bag, I think the GOP is screwed liberal N proud Jun 2016 #63
I have felt for weeks-4-5 for sure, probably several months - that he would not be the nominee. pangaia Jun 2016 #66
I agree. seabeckind Jun 2016 #73
Expected him to drop out last year, turned out wrong then, but still don't see him in through Nov blm Jun 2016 #71
So many possible theories Craig234 Jun 2016 #75
I agree. The media is now going to take him out. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #77
Good thread. Thanks. seabeckind Jun 2016 #80
But we WANT him to be the nominee spinbaby Jun 2016 #84
I personally just want him to vanish cali Jun 2016 #87
First Reagan showed us the government doesn't work, now our elections don't work. jalan48 Jun 2016 #85
I'm sure Trump doesn't actually want it IronLionZion Jun 2016 #96
IF he does drop out, you know it will be well orchestrated and he will do it before their world wide wally Jun 2016 #100
Potrumpkin Village. kairos12 Jun 2016 #105
RogueTrooper posted this elsewhere. underpants Jun 2016 #106
I have never seen him as a serious candidate AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #107
Romney will be the Great White Hope Android3.14 Jun 2016 #108
Because a proven loser would be better? WinkyDink Jun 2016 #130
At this point, for the GOP, a cardboard cutout of Dwight Schrute would be better than Trump Android3.14 Jun 2016 #140
Trump has lost dozens of times, look at all his failed business ventures. CaptainTruth Jun 2016 #109
He's "quit" dozens of times. cali Jun 2016 #114
Good post trumad Jun 2016 #110
welcome aboard... the signs are there for all to see.. the RNC isn't shy about this. secondwind Jun 2016 #112
lol, he just told the RNC that they can do all the fundraising for his campaign! jeanmarc Jun 2016 #117
I believe that he will be the Republican nominee. yardwork Jun 2016 #118
What happens to the 14million T-Rump primary voters??? NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #119
Narcissists bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #125
The GOP is split on their nominee. according to a CNN poll, republican and republican-leaning still_one Jun 2016 #126
I have been there for a while now. redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #127
I think it would be a mistake to underestimate Trump's ego, esp. at this stage of the game. He WILL WinkyDink Jun 2016 #128
I'm not. As I said in the OP, I think it's his enormous, fragile ego that cali Jun 2016 #131
My money says "The Now TRUMPS the Future." Giving up is, IMO, not in DT's constitution. WinkyDink Jun 2016 #139
I have a friend who has stuck to this claim since day one. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #132
you saw the Apple + Tim Ryan story ? GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #133
He's been good for popcorn sales Bucky Jun 2016 #137
If Trump is not the nominee (by whatever means) who then are they planning for? Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #138
Bearing in mind several recent well-publicized threats and attempts to kill Ineeda Jun 2016 #141
I think Trump wants the nomination to be "stolen" from him at the convention. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #142
The people elected him PDittie Jun 2016 #145
The Republican convention is in 4 weeks. Will Trump drop out before then? Martin Eden Jun 2016 #147
I was just thinking this. Puglover Jun 2016 #152
He doesn't even WANT to be president. arcane1 Jun 2016 #153
Trump will be the nominee RAFisher Jun 2016 #154
And yet another Trump prediction lame54 Jun 2016 #155
The reason I don't think the GOP powers will allow Trump to be the nominee is due to his floriduck Jun 2016 #156
Maybe... Wednesdays Jun 2016 #157
Trump lives in a bubble. He thinks he's doing great. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #158
I don't think that he thinks he's doing great. I think he's freaked. cali Jun 2016 #159
I've felt this way from the get go shanti Jun 2016 #160
I saw a report just now that he only has 1.3m in campaign cash compared to Hillaries 43m Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #162
I have no clue as to what that campaign is up to. Far more importantly, cali Jun 2016 #163

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
35. Let's start first with a theoretical replacement.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jun 2016

How about a drafted democrat, a third wayer who can't accept Hillary?

When I looked at the cv for Tim Ryan who somebody floated as a possible VP for the democrats,

he looked so much like Evan Bayh.

So in this big flurry of publicity as we go into the convention, this guy says he can't take it anymore...

not - either of the leadings.

Trump either bows out as a gesture of magnanimity or the gop does the "there, there", and moves him gently off the stage.

This new guy would be strong moderate leaning slightly left on social, slightly right on economic. He's automatically anti-gop establishment because he isn't part of their organization.

Practically no negatives.

The dems are left swinging at an opponent who left the ring. The gop runs on "see even some democrats..."

mcar

(42,505 posts)
46. The GOP would never draft a Democrat
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jun 2016

Even a conservative one. They would lose their entire base of RW tea party nut jobs.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
50. You can't be serious. The GOP base is going to accept a
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jun 2016

moderate democrat to replace the guy they voted for in the primaries? That will happen when pigs fly through the convention doors.

Response to sufrommich (Reply #50)

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
61. I'm not supporting the "lesser of two evils"
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

"My candidate" is the democratic nominee,I don't know who yours is.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
65. We're not talking about you.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jun 2016

Are we?

I think you fell into my first category.

Thanks for the personal attack.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
86. Lesser of two evils?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jun 2016

Really? "Your" candidate? My candidate is the one who garnered the majority of votes, the Democratic candidate for President and her name is Hillary Clinton. I've heard this discussion before and we have passed the primary season quite some time ago. Are you on board for the general? I plan on voting for our nominee, who will you be voting for?

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
89. Good for you.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

Thank you for all your enthusiasm.

But there are a whole bunch of people in the world who aren't you.

Did my Bernie avatar give you some insight into my mind? That was it, wasn't it?

Loki

(3,825 posts)
93. No it was the comment about lesser of two evils.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think of either of our candidates in that light. The only "evil" in this race is the Republican whose name is Donald Trump.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
97. I knew exactly what you said.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jun 2016

I had a really good idea why you said it.

As I tried to convey, making an assumption about anyone else's motives based on your motives is foolish.

Step back and look at how many people have said they would hold their nose and vote for ????

You don't think they have as much reason to believe that as you have to believe what you believe?

Not justification. Why.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
146. I definitely am voting more against trump than for HRC
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

And should he be replaced, I will still be voting against the republican rather than for HRC. So, for me it is about choosing the least bad candidate.

There are tens of millions of people who share my sentiments. It's hardly a singular pov.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
149. Tens of millions is just a little
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

Too much hyperbole for me. I hope we are all starting to look at the bigger picture of making sure that down ballot Dems win their races and make all the states become competitive. That is how we take back our government from the crazy train.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
161. Well my cousin is/was a Bernie supporter
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jun 2016

But he will be voting for Hillary in Nov. We are both long time Democrats and will remain so. It was never the option to vote differently because we don't and have never believed in the propaganda so count one less in your "tens of millions".

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
151. Well, there *will* be plenty of pigs at that convention.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

No offense meant to actual pigs or hogs, of course.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
98. Probably...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jun 2016

They will vote for Gary Johnson or will not vote except down ticket (if that).

That is just my opinion, but they will NOT vote for whoever the replacement will be because that candidate will assuredly be a 'safe' establishment candidate. Trump, given his small war chest, will not go third party.



Regardless, any scenario helps Hillary win.

karynnj

(59,522 posts)
83. It may be a Ryan, but not Tim. The GOP would never draft a Democrat
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Who would really want him? The Trump supporters AND the Republican establishment would be furious. As to Democrats, how many Democrats are sitting there looking for someone to the right of Clinton - especially on choice? That leaves independents, which is really a catch all category for everyone not Republican or Democratic. It does NOT mean they are all centrists, swinging back and forth between the parties.

Not to mention, go back and look at the silly Democratic threads speaking of replacing Clinton. Ignore that it is not going to happen - but look at how many people start with the idea that the person had to already have a lot of name recognition. The same thing would be true for the Republicans. Starting with a complete unknown in summer 2016 is not possible - even if Trump became unable to run.

I suspect that if Trump were disabled, they would have to chose between Bush (who lost to Trump badly), Romney(who lost what the Republicans thought should have been an easy race), or Speaker Paul Ryan (less known, but younger, better liked by most of the party and who would be characterized as a saviour. )

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
91. Quite a few battles are lost
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jun 2016

because the opponent did something that no one on the losing side thought would happen.

karynnj

(59,522 posts)
120. True, but you have not made a case for why this would positively change the race
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

or why the Republicans would put a Democrat in as their nominee.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
102. Not happening
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jun 2016

They have bought a pig in a poke. Cannot dump him and win, cannot win with him.

Have you listened to the trump supporters? They are thrilled to have an open bigot and will accept nothing less

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
121. I honestly don't think there is a way to move Trump gently off the stage...any more
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jun 2016

he has made such a huge, yuge splash, so vocal, so loud, his supporters so beligerant and offensive. I know that so many want to help him "save face" and give him some sort of noble way out from all of this. Bbut frankly, I don't understand why so many are going through this maneuverings. He dug this hole, he's a big boy and it will do him some good to have to deal with his own consequences instead of us poor (literally) schmucks giving this asshole a noble exit.

CanonRay

(14,170 posts)
53. Something like a Ryan-Lieberman ticket, or Romney-Whitman
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jun 2016

that would draw off people who lean Dem but dislike/distrust Hillary. The R's would vote for Attila the Hun if there was an R after his name.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
60. Let's see..who is taking over :-) :-) RNC
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

Rules Committee

That would be Romney's gal from Utah

And her Co-Chair Romney guy from Massachusets

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. He has the pledged delegates for a first round win.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jun 2016

At the moment it is a done deal. The RNC would have to re-write the rules to prevent his nomination and that would be a worse disaster than his nomination. They aren't going to fix the problem by making it worse.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. Ya know, we all like to call Republicans stupid, but...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jun 2016

don't forget that these are the guys who put Nixon and Shrub in office and managed to gerrymander the whole country to keep it in their hands.

The clever bastards will think of something.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. It seems as though the people who most enjoy calling Republicans stupid are the same ones
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jun 2016

who claim Democratic officeholders are helpless to outsmart Republican officeholders. Seems like a disconnect of some kind.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
92. Hmm.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

No disrespect, Merrily, but you are talking about people who, to some rather great extent... deny climate change. Millions of them think the dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as humans, too. They, in general, do not accept evolution as more than a whacked out theory by a guy who was maybe a whacked out Satanist, you know, that Darwin fella... (a little sarcasm on that last bit, for those who didn't notice)

You are talking about people who have edited history books to censure any mention of things like slavery (because maybe then people will forget?). You are talking about people who think we are going to build a wall across the border - and make Mexico pay for it.

I could go on and on... and of course there are educated and intelligent republicans - but, in general? No, they really are kind of stupid. At best, they are ignorant and terribly uninformed. Are we helpless to outsmart them? No. The issue is that we are helpless to outvote them, at present. We can be brilliant, we can be a million times smarter than them, but it doesn't matter if we don't have the votes.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
148. My post is about D.C. politicians.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jun 2016

I very much doubt U.S. Senators of any party believe that dinosaurs walked the same time as humans. Also, I am not talking about people who bemoan Democrat's being outvoted, but who say or post things about a Democrat like "He just doesn't get it."

Cosmocat

(14,609 posts)
116. They are relentless jackasses, no doubt, but they are dead in the water
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

on this one.

Honestly, there is less energy with them now to take the nomination from Trump than back in April.

There are good reasons for this.

He simply got past a critical mass of actual votes, states won and delegates that leaves them with too little wiggle room.

They know if they take the nomination from him, that:

1) The convention will be a shit show the likes of which the body politic of this country has never seen, and they will forever be defined by it.

2) Trump will work relentlessly to make the nominee lose.

3) A BIG chunk of the pods who voted for him in the primary will be lost to their party for a generation, and they win a LOT of elections with those pods.

They will have next to no chance to win if they take the nomination from him, and will suffer long term damage to the party, well past this cycle.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
123. I suspect that they are gaspng at the thought of just giving it to Hillary...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

and waiting another four years. That wasn't the plan, but neither was Trump.

Anyway, the GOP was flat broke after Nixon and couldn't even make the rent on the DC office-- many assumed it was their death, but look what happened.





 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
72. Right. Imho that is the only realistic scenario.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jun 2016

Trump would have to take himself out. He won't. He will get through to the convention. There will be enough money for a campaign. Outside of the bush Romney crowd the leadership will at least nominally support him.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. This end game thing keeps coming up, but...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jun 2016

in the past every time he went belly-up he cashed in a few bucks, stiffed his employees and investors and claimed he was the "winner."

I really can't see how he can do that this time. A miserably inept campaign falling to a black hole isn't the same as a bunch of casinos or airline he had no idea how to run. He never suffered the humiliation of being a bankrupt imposter before, but this time there seems to be no way out.

He's in way over his head here.

wiggs

(7,835 posts)
88. He'll either demand money from the RNC to drop out (the RNC,
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

Kochs, Adelsons, Romney etc will gladly pay hundreds of millions) or he'll sue the RNC for billions. Either way, Trump gets over.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
122. I think the GOP will let him sink like a rock
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

It's their best defense. and hopefully avoids a literal bloody war within their ranks.

They will regroup, strategize and coalesce (I believe this is their biggest strength under normal conditions) and in 4 years be quite the different group that the Tea Baggers attempted to make it into.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
124. It might not be a bad thing if this forces the adults in the GOP...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jun 2016

(and there are some) to take back their party.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
8. I agree with you.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jun 2016

I think behind the scenes the RNC will reimburse him for all his primary election spend (plus a little golden parachute), then Trump will terminate his own nomination.

That will allow the GOP to select someone else without pissing of the Trump supporters.

The GOP gets rid of Trump.
Trump gets a bunch of money, publicity and saves face.

Trump will not be the nominee.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
10. Yeah the whole think is looking pretty grim but...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think he'll exit voluntarily. I don't know how exactly they are going to uproot him?

As my wife pointed out yesterday - it is probably much better for us if he is so let's not play "hope" politics. Let's prepare for the now somewhat more likely situation that he isn't.

drray23

(7,641 posts)
143. money or the lack of it will
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

What if he can not raise enough money to continue his campaign ? Right now its nearly broke. If the gop does nothing Trump will have to suspend or bankrupt himself.
After he pulls out the gop donors can come in and bank the new nominee.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
11. Trump's ego won't allow it,that's my opinion. Look
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jun 2016

at it through the eyes of a bombastic narcissist,he can't fail,failure is un-masculine and shows weakness. I think he'd rather die than retreat. If he's not the nominee,it will be because the GOP stops him and he will cause as much damage as he can if they do that.He's convinced himself that he doesn't need the traditional campaign apparatus because the people love him.I will be shocked if he backs out,he may be pushed out but it won't be voluntarily.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
52. He is already planning on making the convention a
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jun 2016

4 day lovefest with him in center ring. I don't think he's going to give that up.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
67. but that looks less and less likely to happen with every passing day
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jun 2016

and it never looked like a viable plan to begin with

crim son

(27,466 posts)
81. I've been going back and forth on this one.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

We know how much he despises criticism of any sort. On the other hand he appears to be oblivious to the fact that he is a ridiculous, absurd man who is not feared because of his power but because of his ignorance. Which of his weaknesses will dominate?

PJMcK

(22,121 posts)
82. One thing about Donald Trump
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jun 2016

Whenever his businesses have failed, he ends up with the cash and spins the loss as a win. His narcissism powers his ego such that I don't think he is consciously aware of his failures. In short, I believe Mr. Trump is insane.

In any event, his bigger problems are organizational and financial. His campaign doesn't have the state-by-state field operations in place and they're way behind in getting this set up. Additionally, his war chest is nearly empty and many regular donors are staying on the sidelines. Further, Mr. Trump isn't making the requests he needs to. Since he isn't nearly as rich as he claims, (or thinks?), he either can't or won't finance his campaign himself.

But you already know all of this, sufrommich!

Fla Dem

(23,981 posts)
113. I agree, and his kids are all in as well. His son DT jr was all over the airways yesterday
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

talking about the firing of Corey Lewandowski. I tell you he is as articulate as his father is a mumbling mouth full of idiocy. He sounded like a seasoned politician. Spoke articulately about his father's campaign, weaved and dodged all the questions thrown at him. As I listened to him, I thought, well his Dad may never be president, but this "kid" sure has a future. The decision to get rid of Lewandowski was encouraged by his kids, Ivanka, Donald Jr and Eric. They don't make a change like that if they don't intend to go all the way.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
12. Trump won the Republican primaries
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jun 2016

...through free media: speeches being broadcast, debates, and interviews.

Maybe he can win the general that way or maybe not. But I don't see why he wouldn't believe he could.

karynnj

(59,522 posts)
115. I think you are right
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

I also think the Republican establishment is worried, but the nominee of either party really does become the head of the party.

For Trump, everything that happened this year showed the Party leaders, top political strategists and the media pundits - left and right - were all wrong. The fact that a comedian could (and did) write a The Producers parody shows that he has consistently turned conventional wisdom on its head. He touched plenty of third rails -- and was merely more energized the next day. He continued to win the primaries.

What this shows is that Trump is not one to take experts' advise and it is very likely that he pays little attention to polling. That may be why he does not seem to believe his unprecedented unfavorable numbers. (In fact, he likely rationalizes that Clinton's were about 50 too -- though I suspect her negatives will fall with her ads and her convention and her being the only viable sane candidate. I do not see his falling much. In fact, as he fails - they can go higher.)

What seemed to long be the case is that he had a base who liked him that grew to be slightly over 50% of the Republican and Republican leaning independents. This is not unusual for the primaries. (A Republican could say something similar about HRC using 60%) What IS unusual is that the remaining Republicans and Republican leaning independents contain a LARGE segment who say that they will never support him and see him as more unfavorable than favorable. He can not win the general election if he can not unify those who are in the Republican base - and you have party leaders already announcing they will miss the convention!

This is really an unprecedented situation. The ONLY time in the past that a nominee had approval ratings below 30 was with an unpopular sitting President. Neither Jimmy Carter or GHWB could win back enough people. The question might be whether being the President made the negatives firmer by being more entrenched and based on people's demand for change.

Add to that, that he was neither of the party establishment or recruited by the party elders (ie Eisenhower). There is not even a close Democratic equivalent. Even had Sanders won, he would not have been as outside of the political norm - in spite of having been an independent.

LostOne4Ever

(9,309 posts)
14. The man is delusional-he actually thinks he is going to win. He won't ever drop out.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]If anything, after he loses he will probably accuse Hillary of cheating him, concoct a gigantic conspiracy theory and declare himself the "real president." [/font]

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. Schrodinger's Candidate.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

His candidacy is in a state of quantum ambiguity, in which he is simultaneously the candidate and not the candidate, and which will be resolved at some random future date when he decays into two down-bogons and a bunch of goobinoes.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
49. Thank you, Mal, I thought it needs work, but the idea is there ...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jun 2016

Given our politicians wish to always have it both ways, quantum politics seems a natural description.

malthaussen

(17,256 posts)
59. I stole it to pass it on to others not on DU...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

... maybe not perfect, but "two down-bogons" really had me laughing.

-- Mal

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
16. Could it all be one big con?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jun 2016

GOP lets him take it, he agrees to play the role to build his fame knowing he will go out in style.

Everyone focuses on him while Hillary and Bernie beat each other up.

DNC gears up and makes all plans around going against him.

Trump bows out with a "respectable" excuse like medical issues- leaving the race more famous with a bigger brand and intact ego.

New fresh candidate is up who has not faced months of scrutiny and who the DNC hasn't prepared to fight.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
40. I agree. I think it's all been a con.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jun 2016

Not necessarily one instituted by Trump. (note to self... get more foil)

See my post above:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7937461

I know this doesn't play well to the Trump's a poopyhead campaign, but...

 

Winston.Smith

(32 posts)
51. Tells you he is smart, staying in his bomb shelter while everyone else is playing catch with
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jun 2016

lit sticks of dynamite.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
101. Given the choice between Romney, Ryan or Trump
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jun 2016

Romney is the least likely I think. He is a rich insider that the Trump horde will never vote for. Both may be rich, but he is the very definition of a political establishment insider.

My guess is if not Trump, then Ryan because he has more tea party appeal than Romney.

AllyCat

(16,299 posts)
90. The biggest thing that sunk Rmoney before was
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jun 2016

That 47% video. If that doesn't happen again, maybe they think he can do it.

 

Winston.Smith

(32 posts)
95. The 47% worked against a person portrayed as a civic organizer, but against
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

a person portrayed as a Wall Street person. I don't think the 47% comment would do anything but help Romney.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
18. Welcome aboard.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jun 2016

I've been saying that for months.

No way will Donald Trump reach election day, for a number of possible reasons.

Lithos

(26,405 posts)
22. He's the Music Man
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jun 2016

Professor Harold Hill - a self-proclaimed expert and braggart.

Basically he's a con man who came in to bilk some money, get some attention and then leaving before people realized they were conned. But, the story blew up and he's now fully in the limelight and only able to go deeper into the con as there is no exit which won't pop the balloon he's constructed. Unless there is some scandal which will pop the balloon, he'll keep adding more and more hot air to keep the game going.

L-

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. Hi, Lithos. Awfully nice to see you.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jun 2016

I think the bubble has already popped but we just haven't seen the fallout yet- or something like that. Until the past couple of days I thought he'd make it to November, thin skin, lack of discipline, lack of intelligence and all. There is so much coming down the pike at him, I don't think his thin skinned gigantic ego will be able to take it.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
23. ...and unfortunately, whoever *is* the nominee will seem reasonable in comparison.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jun 2016

I'm thinking they'll pull JEB! out of mothballs and present him as the grownup who can save the GOP.

exboyfil

(17,871 posts)
76. I can't see Jeb
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jun 2016

Romney makes a lot more sense. He has far less baggage (his last name is not Bush).

ProfessorGAC

(65,607 posts)
135. Jeb Obviates The "Legacy" Card
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jun 2016

So, like the other poster, i don't see it being him. Takes a whole campaign wedge out of their hands.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,464 posts)
28. But he wrote his doctor's assessment of his health as "astonishingly excellent"
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jun 2016

his "physical strength and stamina are extraordinary," and "the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency". Since Trump wrote that and paid the doctor good money to sign it, making up something about health will look like another failure.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
29. I admit that I've been a doubter about the Dump Trump movement.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jun 2016

I still think it won't happen. But day-um. That campaign is a dumpster fire. No staff, no money, constant infighting and maybe the worst candidate in modern history.

If they DO dump him, it could mean an all-out civil war in the GOP.... good for us! Hopefully that will help down-ballot races.

patricia92243

(12,607 posts)
30. On morning Joe, one of the guests said if the GOP could just make to July 8, everything will be
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jun 2016

ok. That means no Trump.

I still think it will be Jeb. With all the Bush kin, they can throw a campaign together quickly and Jeb still has the money he first raised in the primaries.

lapfog_1

(29,253 posts)
136. in a sample poll asking repukes who should replace Drumpf
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

Jeb was at 4%, not anywhere close to the top 5

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
39. He started out full of it. He has become more unhinged as time passes. Clearly, not able to deal ...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jun 2016

with pressure. He cannot be trusted to make decisions or act in the best interest of America.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
42. good point. the fuckwit can't deal with the pressures of the campaign
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jun 2016

how on earth could he deal with pressures of actually being president? One shudders at the mere thought.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
32. trump will not bow out...thats more humilating than staying in...and GOP will destroy themselves if
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

they steal the nomination from trump....trump supporters will give the GOP the big FU....and sit out or vote for hillary or johnson


they are doomed no matter how this plays and how sweet it will be to experience....we have to take congress back...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
34. I think it would be far more humilitating for him to stay in
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jun 2016

and not only be beaten to shit day in and day out for months but to have all your filthy secrets publicized.

but yeah, they're doomed no matter what.

BootinUp

(47,260 posts)
36. Betting markets say 86% chance its still Trump
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jun 2016

Nate Silver ?@NateSilver538 23h23 hours ago

Betting markets now give Trump a 14% chance of NOT being the GOP nominee. That's higher than it was before Indiana. http://bit.ly/1PEDmVl

Cary

(11,746 posts)
37. Who cares?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

Republicans are imploding. Enjoy the show, but don't sit back. We have an incredible opportunity to completely demoralize "conservatism." I don't feel the least bit sorry for them either. This is their well earned comeuppance.

And I hope we can break their obstruction. We have important work to do.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
38. Most of us. It's interesting to watch on so many levels for so many reasons
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jun 2016

And no one here feels sorry for them.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
103. Much more than interesting
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jun 2016

Watch. The SCOTUS is absolutely critical. If we can reverse that so many dominoes fall.

Apparently "conservatives" understood this way better than we did.

malthaussen

(17,256 posts)
41. I'm content to just wait and see.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jun 2016

Usually, when a writer in a book or a screenplay writes some variation on "he's crazy, his actions don't have to make sense," I am unconvinced, because crazyness often has its own internal logic that makes perfect sense, when examined. But with Mr Trump, I can find no satisfactory structure onto which I can hang his actions: he appears to me to have mounted a tiger with the only objective of seeing how far he can take it. A con man who has gotten so wrapped up in his con, he's just going with the flow and pushing it with every utterance. Possibly there is method to his madness, but it is impenetrable to me.

But it's not all about Trump. The GOP is in significant disarray, as their expectations have been wholly blown out of the water by what has occurred in the primaries. No one with a speck of credibility to the people who own the party could scratch up the slightest interest with the voters. The Dems, OTOH, despite some minor ripples on the way to the nomination of their preferred candidate, have what they wanted and really only need to paper over the cracks in the wallpaper. A case can be made that the GOP's walls are really crumbling, and will need more than cosmetic surgery to perpetuate the myth of Business as Usual. How they scramble to do this, while maintaining a facade that all is well in the best of all possible worlds, is going to interact in interesting ways with the massive ego and narcissism (and vindictiveness and raw power, let's not forget those) of the presumptive candidate.

-- Mal

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
44. I've been saying for months that the October Surprise...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

...will be a Donald Trump "health emergency." Probably in the form of a mild heart attack while schtupping his supermodel wife. That would allow him an out, and an opportunity to "save face" by "being virile." If you look at the man, he certainly appears ready for his first heart attack, any minute now. Melania-tears photo-ops would garner him some sympathy, and his supporters would understand that he has to drop out of the race.

In my mind, the real question now is whether it happens before the convention, giving the GOP an opportunity to replace him. Or, if he really has set out to destroy the Republican party (his behavior indicates that this could be a possibility), and it happens after the convention. Either way, Trump will NOT win the White House. His heart just isn't in it.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
45. We better hope not.....
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

I'd like to think that all the trump-bots would be pissed and not vote for whoever they select as the nominee instead of him. But if Trump has shown anything it's that a large enough chunk of Republicans will vote for whoever the candidate is that has an R after their name, no matter who they are or what they actually stand for.

So anyone who is not Trump is going to draw in those "never trump" folks, few as they may be. That will take our marginal lead and turn it back into a dead heat.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
57. Either way democrats stand to win huge
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jun 2016

Or is that yuuuuuuuuuuuge?

Hillary just needs to play it smart. Steady hand, conservative level of aggression, positive messaging, let her surrogates beat on Trump, rise above, appeal to disaffected professional class republicans and independents, control your media appearances carefully, and speak in concerned ways for the other party's situation, without any premature gloating. Register voters. Build your outreach operation and data operation quietly but massively to leverage your funding advantage, own the airwaves in swing states. It's all presidential politics 101. Being in competent command of a large and successful campaign is a key audition for the job you are seeking. President Obama did it very well and it netted him a lot of support I think.

The GOP brought this on itself over 40 years. Let it burn.

ETA raise money like crazy to take back the house.

liberal N proud

(60,361 posts)
63. Unless they have someone phenomenal they can pull out of the bag, I think the GOP is screwed
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

Keep Trump and get their asses handed to them in November.
Put someone else in his place who doesn't have campaign resources ready and moving will be very difficult to overcome and they will still get beat in November.

We have thought others would self destruct well ahead of when they finally dropped out. His ego may be too big for him to drop out and if the GOP pisses him off, he will fuck them so bad, they will walk funny for years.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
66. I have felt for weeks-4-5 for sure, probably several months - that he would not be the nominee.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jun 2016

My guess is he will quit...probably in a big huff.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
73. I agree.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jun 2016

I think we have yet to see who the true opponent will be.

Nobody we've seen on a national stage yet.

A rising star who hasn't had a leading role yet.

blm

(113,170 posts)
71. Expected him to drop out last year, turned out wrong then, but still don't see him in through Nov
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jun 2016

I just don't - narcissistic frauds will almost always turn tail or drop out on their own.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
75. So many possible theories
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jun 2016

1. He's clueless and incompetent (much evidence)

2. He's sabotaging the Republican Party

3. He has some plan for his loss to be turned into a permanent 'cause' fueling his new media business there are reports he wants to start.

4. He never intended to get this far but ego means continuing - but feeling free to say what he wants and happy to lose.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
77. I agree. The media is now going to take him out.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jun 2016

Imo, it's been obvious that many of the women (at least) on CNN are Hillary supporters. MSNBC was certainly not behind him. They've given Trump the rope, and now they will watch him hang himself.

Imo, corporate media has never and does not support this fool. This whole debacle has been about ratings, first, and getting Hillary elected, second.

It was a brilliant strategy. Now, watch as the media rips him to shreds!

spinbaby

(15,096 posts)
84. But we WANT him to be the nominee
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

The Donald in the race would be handing Hillary the win on a silver platter.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
87. I personally just want him to vanish
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

I see him as the ugliest part of our national id, unleashed. I think he's already done tremendous damage.

And I think it's too late for the republicans to win no matter who they replace him with. Millions of Trumpsters won't vote for the nominee if it's not the Trumpster himself.

jalan48

(13,937 posts)
85. First Reagan showed us the government doesn't work, now our elections don't work.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

Looks like we need to go back to a monarchy where the well-to-do decide what's best for everyone. Less messy!

IronLionZion

(45,728 posts)
96. I'm sure Trump doesn't actually want it
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jun 2016

but his supporters are not going to let this go without a fight and just accept another candidate at this point. They have bought into his propaganda. Another candidate just won't inspire the same emotions that got them to vote for him.

They want to make America white again and are not willing to accept the fact that diversity makes this country great. Diversity also helps insulate us from situations like 1930s Germany. Sure they want forced deportations, but they can't accept just how many people out there look like immigrants but are born and raised all-American US citizens who vote.

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
100. IF he does drop out, you know it will be well orchestrated and he will do it before their
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jun 2016

convention. Remember that $5 billion he mentioned?
Now he may be worth much closer to the $10 billion he bragged about earlier.
No way he will put the screws to them.

kairos12

(12,921 posts)
105. Potrumpkin Village.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jun 2016

I think he still gets it. The Reich Wing can't have Drump nutters with guns overtake their convention. They crapped the bed huuuge and now they have to soil their normally white, eye hole infested sheets.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
107. I have never seen him as a serious candidate
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

And this election is beginning to cost him money, vacancies at his properties, etc.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
108. Romney will be the Great White Hope
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

Trump will have a health issue, or he may even pull a Cartman (Screw you guys. I'm goin' home).

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
140. At this point, for the GOP, a cardboard cutout of Dwight Schrute would be better than Trump
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

I have nothing good to say about Romney. The fact is he came within four points to beating Obama, one of the most popular newcomers to hit the campaign trail. Thank providence he had to challenge Obama. If Romney had been facing Hillary in 2012, he would be up for re-election in 2016.

So yes, I think the GOP leadership would pick a proven loser, especially when that loser would have to face this particular presumptive Democratic Party candidate.

The other side of this is that a terrorist attack on American soil would spring Trump back up the polls. We have a long way to go to November.

CaptainTruth

(6,637 posts)
109. Trump has lost dozens of times, look at all his failed business ventures.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

He doesn't, however, usually quit.

To someone with his ego quitting is far worse than losing. Quitting would be HIS decision, admitting to himself he can't win. His ego won't let him do that. When he loses he can blame it on everyone else & keep telling himself he would have won if only things had been "fair" & he hadn't been "cheated." He can hold on to the illusion (in his own mind) that he's really a winner, his victory was just stolen from him by the evil "others" who cause all the problems. (Sound familiar?)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
114. He's "quit" dozens of times.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jun 2016

And he has NEVER been in the public eye like this. I think it's his ego that won't allow him to be pummeled and mocked day in and day out for months. And as I said, his campaign really is nothing but a Potemkin Village that is crumbling as we watch. Who is going to step in to save the day for him?

jeanmarc

(1,685 posts)
117. lol, he just told the RNC that they can do all the fundraising for his campaign!
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

No Donald, you're supposed to do that. RNC was your last lifeline.

Trump is going to get Dumped at the convention.

yardwork

(61,860 posts)
118. I believe that he will be the Republican nominee.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think that the GOP can stop him.

They'll try to clean him up. Watch them blame his former campaign manager.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,562 posts)
119. What happens to the 14million T-Rump primary voters???
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

I'd have to believe the GOP risks alienating a fair portion of them if they perceive the Rump was forced out in any way - and these are voters almost guaranteed to vote in the general come November.

This possibly more than any other factor is why I think 'He's the Guy'....

bucolic_frolic

(43,665 posts)
125. Narcissists
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

as they age will go to ever more grandiose schemes to maintain their
sense of prominence, importance, superiority

When the effectiveness of these schemes run out it is a very rude
awakening

Notice how bombastic Scalia's briefs became over the last couple of
years - off the charts with alliteration lingo and twists of grammar and legal
somersaults

Don't know what Donald does - more hair? Grandiose business schemes?

I can't see him losing this election graciously

I'm expecting a deficit financed plan to takeover the US Government
and give everyone a permanent tax rebate if you'll just let him run
things

Go big or go home

still_one

(92,610 posts)
126. The GOP is split on their nominee. according to a CNN poll, republican and republican-leaning
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016

voters, 51% say the party should nominate Trump, 48% would prefer someone else. While that indicates a split party, it also indicates that 51% support trump as their nominee, so it will be extremely difficult for those republicans who want a different nominee to break through that support.

Whether this poll is truly representative or not is a valid point, but if it is, then Trump is going to be their nominee.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
127. I have been there for a while now.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

Kind of scares me, in my mind I think they will go with Romney. He will gladly throw himself out there again thinking he can win. I don't think Paul Ryan will do it unless he thinks it is a slam dunk, I see him in 2020.

Cruz is like Trump, it is all about him. He might do it, I have read and heard that he is really working the delegates, never really stopped. He scares me more than Trumper does.

Their convention will be popcorn and beer nights for sure. What a weird year, a political scientists dream, they will be studying this year forever.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
128. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate Trump's ego, esp. at this stage of the game. He WILL
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

be the nominee. The Republican Party does not want to risk having their own "Chicago '68."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
131. I'm not. As I said in the OP, I think it's his enormous, fragile ego that
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

won't be able to handle months of what we've seen over the past few days.

And at this point, the Ryans and McConnell's know they're screwed.

CrispyQ

(36,636 posts)
132. I have a friend who has stuck to this claim since day one.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

She says he'll take it to the convention to get the most amount of attention. He'll step down, "for the good of the party," & encourage his supporters to vote for the GOP nominee to beat "corrupt Hillary."

I don't see him making it to November.

Ford_Prefect

(7,961 posts)
138. If Trump is not the nominee (by whatever means) who then are they planning for?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jun 2016

Who have they got who can run? Who has enough stature outside the Tea Party to draw other voters than the 27% fringe. Who has not disgraced themselves in the primary, or by stating some Trumpian absurdity?

Don't tell me Graham, he lost once and there are many in his party who haven't forgiven him that, not to mention he's a bit too much like Trump. Ryan is possible but not quite main stream enough (IMO). Kaisch fell on his own sword and might be VP material. They need a brand name they can sell, don't forget that.

Who's on the list and what have they got that makes them viable? The party insiders have certainly decided who and how, even if we think their choices are shamefully toxic.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
141. Bearing in mind several recent well-publicized threats and attempts to kill
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jun 2016

tRump...coincidence? Maybe not. Maybe it's setting the groundwork. Let's say they find some poor desperate, down-on-his-luck schmuck who is offered a boatload of cash to "take care of his family" if he's caught and convicted, but also promising a not-guilty verdict via the best lawyers money can buy (along with doctors to jump on board with an insanity diagnosis.) They could even blow this volunteer away with impunity. A scary close call could 'convince' tRump to drop out and still save face. He might risk the potential of being called a coward, but in all reality, who wouldn't?
So,
signed, a fan of John Le Carre, et al

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
142. I think Trump wants the nomination to be "stolen" from him at the convention.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

That's the best thing that can happen to him. He wouldn't risk suffering a humiliating defeat in the election, and he wouldn't be running the risk of accidentally becoming President, and actually having to do President stuff for four years. And, if he's denied the nomination, he can still claim that he really would have won bigly if he hadn't been cheated.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
145. The people elected him
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

resoundingly, so if the elites try to remove him, there's going to be a full-scale actual shooting revolution on the right, with real blood and lots of bodies.

Trump is going to be the nominee, and he's going to get flushed in November. Bank it.

Martin Eden

(12,900 posts)
147. The Republican convention is in 4 weeks. Will Trump drop out before then?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

I sincerely doubt it. His ego and his spitefulness will "trump" any rational consideration the Donald might otherwise entertain.

The question is whether the Republican establishment will rewrite the convention rules to allow pledged delegates to vote how they please on the first ballot.

I'm not ruling that out completely. It may hinge on how unhinged Trump's remarks are between now and then.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
152. I was just thinking this.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jun 2016

His numbers will (and ARE) tanking. His massive ego will not entertain the idea of losing and the party big wigs will get him in a room for a meeting of the minds(?).

I dunno but I would bet a remade Mittens.

RAFisher

(466 posts)
154. Trump will be the nominee
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jun 2016

The polls show that the GOP voters like this raving lunatic. I believe the political damage would be worse if they somehow could stop Trump. When Trump loses in November the GOP establishment will use it as an example of what to never do again. It will be a test case showing how disastrous this sort of candidate can be. However if the take the nomination away from Trump I think that would destroy the party, literally. It it alienate half of the party for a generation.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
156. The reason I don't think the GOP powers will allow Trump to be the nominee is due to his
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jun 2016

unpredictability and his ongoing racist remarks. Republicans like to keep their racism more subtle. And Trump just throws it out there. His attitudes towards anyone other than ignorant whites males is extremely poor.

If he is allowed to run, it not only hands the Presidency to the Democrats this year. It destroys what's left of their party for years to come. Therefore, I think a move will be made to get a more moderate Republican to take his place. How they do that remains to be seen. But the dangers at play with Donald Trump are far too risky to allow to happen.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
160. I've felt this way from the get go
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jun 2016

To me, it has the same feeling as the official 9/11 story - a steaming pile of shit meant to distract.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
162. I saw a report just now that he only has 1.3m in campaign cash compared to Hillaries 43m
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jun 2016

That's not just bad. It's shockingly bad.

Like it has to be intentional bad.

The fat cat GOP donors have to have been warned to save thier cash for the real nominee.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
163. I have no clue as to what that campaign is up to. Far more importantly,
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

neither do they- whoever they is.

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