Rep. Jerry Nadler just tweeted:

[B2G]

"We must not use due-process as an excuse to support mass murder."

Um...WHAT??

[SheilaT]

1. I believe it's a reference to the claim

that not allowing people on the no-fly list to buy guns is a violation of their due process.

Put that way, quite a few laws could probably be interpreted as violating due process. What comes to my mind is the ones that allow police entities to confiscate cars from people who are caught with a small amount of weed inside. This happens long before any possible trial, that is to say due process.

As always, the right to own guns trumps the right to remain alive.

[B2G]

2. Well in that case, they did do something ILLEGAL

Whether you agree with the practice or not is another matter completely.

Wasn't John Lewis on the no fly list at one time?

[SheilaT]

3. I have no idea about John Lewis and the no fly list.q

I also have no idea if Lewis owns any guns.

Which does bring up the question, if no fly no buy were to pass, and someone goes on the no fly list, should that person have to surrender all guns? How about the infant or toddler who shares a name similar to someone on the no fly list. Probably the kid himself doesn't own any guns, but how about the parents?

Clearly straightforward confiscation of all guns is more straightforward, less ambiguous, and leaves no loopholes. I'll hasten to add that I realize confiscation isn't likely to happen, but (no matter how much you are opposed to confiscation) I hope you can admire the simplicity of such a thing.

[B2G]

4. Lewis was on the list

And he didn't much like it.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/20/lewis.watchlist/

[SheilaT]

6. Thank you for that information and the link.

The no fly list contains a lot of names, most of which haven't been properly vetted, to use a word that's quite popular here. Last night while watching the CSpan coverage of the sit in, some idiot called in to say there are only a few hundred names on the no-fly list. Actually, (I bothered to google it) only 233 names have been added so far this month, but there are over 100,000 names on the list. The TSA helpfully publishes the list, and it runs 3352 pages. That's three thousand, three hundred and fifty two pages.

Even more helpfully, you can search for a specific name, or simply a specific last name.

I did find two names on the list with my somewhat uncommon surname. The first names associated with my surname made me think that both of those are aliases of some kind, especially as a separate google search for those names turns up nothing.

[B2G]

7. Which is why the backing for this bill here shocks me

The list is a USELESS and dangerous tool to use to deny citizens their constitutional rights.

Yet the screams of support continue unabated.

[SheilaT]

8. What I'm not entirely sure of is

to what extent the "no fly no buy" is simply a way of avoiding meaningful reform. I'm cynical enough to think it probably is. Given that the vast majority of names on the no fly list are probably fake, even if no fly no buy were rigorously enforced, even by private sellers, it wouldn't prevent very many sales. Plus, as I understand it, more than one killer has used someone else to buy for him.

[B2G]

9. Exactly right. Thank you. nt

[Nevernose]

5. Sadly, there's nothing illegal

With civil asset forfeiture.

The police say, "I think this was obtained with drug money, or was used in the trade of illegal drugs." They seize it, they keep it.

If you want to have it back, you have to sue.

SCOTUS has ruled on it, the laws have been passed. Total bullshit, but totally legal.

[LanternWaste]

10. I'd hate to see due process used as an excuse rather than as a deeply-held conviction as well.

I'd hate to see due process used as an excuse rather than as a deeply-held conviction as well. However, I fully realize we all of us interpret things in ways which best suit the narratives we each desire.

[B2G]

11. And I'd like to thank you...

...for showing us that using a thesaurus doesn’t always make you look smarter.