Farage: Brexit accomplished "without a single bullet being fired"

[auntpurl]

Conveniently forgetting the MP who was murdered in the street.

Fuck you, Nigel Farage, you xenophobic piece of shit.

I've woken up to the country I chose to live in voting for isolationist nationalism. In EUROPE. Marine Le Pen (French RW leader) celebrating Brexit on Twitter.

You think world wars can't happen again? They were a heartbeat ago, historically speaking. It can happen again.

[BootinUp]

1. I am not real knowledgeable about the ramifications

but I think its too early to know them. And yes I agree about Farage. Hang in there.

[swhisper1]

2. it can happen reguardless

[still_one]

3. and Johnson has supposedly offered him a job in Post BRExit.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boris-johnson-offers-nigel-farage-8199899

The one positive aspect auntpurl, is it was a close vote.

[TubbersUK]

4. I know how you feel

He's all over my TV spewing his divisive crap and thinly disguised bigotry.

[joshcryer]

5. Watched him say it, it was very purposeful.

It wasn't a gaffe. What a sleazy piece of crap.

Sorry for your country auntpurl.

[Binkie The Clown]

6. "May you live in interesting times." -- ancient Chinese curse. n/t

[anigbrowl]

7. Agreed. A disaster in every respect

The people cheering it on here strike me as painfully stupid.

[auntpurl]

8. I'm taking a break from DU.

I genuinely can't deal with it. All thinking people should be very disturbed by this news. Dealing with the Brexit cheerleaders here is like waking up to find Trump won and people on DU are celebrating. I'm in tears, I really don't need it rubbed in my face too.

[Cha]

10. ..

[Starry Messenger]

12. ((hugs))

I am very disturbed. Very bad news. I understand.

[LanternWaste]

64. I've notice your recent spate of posts devoted to the referendum too often...

I've notice your recent spate of posts devoted to the referendum too often relies on your alleging others are binary thinkers when a) they hold a different opinion than you and b0 don't fit within the parameters of what primary think means.

(I'd keep up with the bumper stickers as well... it allows us the pretense of cleverness)

[AntiBank]

69. no, they just revert to 2 memes

1 They simplistically posit it is a right v left issue, full stop (ie. simply because some in the Leave campaign are very problematic).

2 That it is all about immigration, full stop (thus ignoring cogent and important arguments from the left for taking an anti-EU stance).


That is textbook binary thinking. It has always been one of the most regrettable things of so many Americans when it comes to complex issues and grey areas. It does occur here too, of course, but I have found over the course of my well-traveled life that as far as western advanced nations go, the US is the king of reductionism.

I simply won't traffic in black or white only thought.

[busterbrown]

16. "Brexit Cheerleaders” here?'

Where?

[PaulaFarrell]

52. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1499098

[Surya Gayatri]

19. In the same boat on the other side of the Channel (France). The DUers celebrating

this retrogressive and backward-looking move have no idea what they're cheering for.

Effectively, they're applauding the erection of a high "wall" between the UK and the rest of Europe.

Trumpian sentiments, indeed.

[greatauntoftriplets]

60. It's a vindication of Trump and his worldview.

Unreal that there's support for it here.

[Surya Gayatri]

66. And, he's giving a press conference in Scotland touting just that view as we speak.

DUers cheering on the isolationist, nativist and zenophobic tendencies of the British electorate--hard to believe that this is a "PROGRESSIVE" forum.

[greatauntoftriplets]

67. I can't believe some of what I'm reading here.

Unbelievable.

[AngryAmish]

65. I am celebrating the prospect of an United Ireland.

[Surya Gayatri]

71. Except for the revived and inevitable sectarian violence which will surely

precede or follow any such move.

[AngryAmish]

72. Why? It will be a free an open vote of the population of NI to join.

Britain can no longer afford to subsidize NI. Ireland will be happy to do so. Sein Fein wants her to join. So you expect Protestant Unionists to start violence? Why? Are they inherently violent people?

[Surya Gayatri]

73. Read up on the history of the "Troubles"...

[PaulaFarrell]

53. agree

They seem to think it's a vote against TTP rather than what it is, a vote against immigrants. Everyone I know here is gutted

[greatauntoftriplets]

61. I am so sorry, auntpurl.

Brexit is a terrible move, not only for Britain and Europe, but for the world.

[Meldread]

11. I agree.

They strike me as painfully stupid as well. From what I can tell most of it is driven by conspiracy theories and a vague and uneducated hatred of "banksters", "corporatists", and "Germany". That and the belief that somehow nationalism might be a good thing in Europe, and that Europe returning to its pre-World War status is somehow a thing to cheer.

Not to mention the delusion that somehow the UK is about to experience some magical prosperity (because it is now unchained from said "banksters" and "corporatists&quot .

I mean, really... it is painfully stupid.

[Corporate666]

14. So, let me get this straight....

The lower class and poorer areas of the country voted to leave the EU largely because they hate "banksters" and Germans, and they are therefore painfully stupid?

Honestly, that is like reading on a UK forum that American voters like Trump because they hate bankers and guns and just want a European-centric leader who will legalize abortion finally

I'm stunned.

[Meldread]

15. Here is what a leader of the Brexit movement had to say just an hour ago:

"[The Brexit vote is] a victory for ordinary people, against the big banks, big business, and big politics..." - Nigel Farage, leader of UKIP

So, yeah. He goes on to slander immigrants. He gleefully hopes that the EU collapses, and Europe returns to its pre-World War status.

However, my words were not directed at the UK and its voters. It was directed at pro-Brexit people on these forums. The ugly truth is that most of the UK Brexit voters have a lot in common with Trump voters, right down to the the fact that they tend to be older, white, and hostile toward immigrants and minorities.

[Corporate666]

17. Using Nigel Farage as an example of what the average Brexit supporter things

is like using Trump's statements as an example of what the average American who doesn't like Obama's performance things.

There are many on here who are unhappy with Obama's performance. To suggest they are Trumpettes is silly. Same as suggesting Brexit supporters are Faragettes.

[Meldread]

18. The data says otherwise...

[Corporate666]

23. So you found a study or poll that says

(in your own words) that "most of it is driven by conspiracy theories and a vague and uneducated hatred of "banksters", "corporatists", and "Germany""

That's a hell of a study or poll. Mind posting a link to it? I'd have thought I would have heard something on the news about this from the Remain campaign. Unless they are part of the conspiracy?

[Meldread]

24. Quote from #15:

However, my words were not directed at the UK and its voters. It was directed at pro-Brexit people on these forums.

As to the data (again from #15):

The ugly truth is that most of the UK Brexit voters have a lot in common with Trump voters, right down to the the fact that they tend to be older, white, and hostile toward immigrants and minorities.

That's the data I am talking about.

[Corporate666]

28. Can you back that up

I haven't seen hostility towards immigrants and minorities.

The UK is a LOT less obsessed with race and nationality than the USA is. The people I've seen describing their issues with immigration seem centered on jobs, wait times for services, welfare spending and such. I haven't seen ANYTHING like "I am sick of damn <insert race here> taking OUR country from us! Time to kick them out". I think you are extrapolating things that aren't there.

[Denzil_DC]

34. "I haven't seen hostility towards immigrants and minorities."

PMSL

You must have been wandering round with your eyes tight shut and your fingers in your ears. But then it looks like you're not here for discussion, just to vent and gloat.

Meanwhile, for the last eight hours or so you've been repeatedly patronizing and insulting to people here who have genuine serious concerns while you cheerlead for a future whose prospects even Leave's leaders admit they have no clue about.

[Surya Gayatri]

36. Wish I'd said this. Bravo and thanks.

[Denzil_DC]

37. Kudos and thanks to you.

It's been a long, long night here in the UK, my temper's short and my patience with yappy supercilious idiots even shorter, and I don't think I have the stamina for long verbal slug-outs (at least not without risking getting myself a time-out PDQ), so I'm very grateful to see that others apparently do!

[Surya Gayatri]

39. Viewing this move with dismay and trepidation from the other side of the Channel.

The Brexit bigots will bring down the pound, the euro, the UNITED Kingdom and the European Union.

May they rot in hell, Nigel Farage and Boris "Trump" Johnson. Despicable human beings.

[Corporate666]

40. So back it up

Link the posts where the hostility towards immigrants and minorities has been displayed. The OP says he is referring to posts on here. Where are these racially hateful posts that abound?

What are the genuine and serious concerns you talk about? The posts I have replied to are ridiculous in their fear content on the basis or zero data whatsoever.

Imminent worldwide economic collapse.
Bunch of racist, xenophobic Brits who need to suffer for their behavior.
The USA needs to crush Britain economically so nobody will ever try to leave the EU ever again.
Everyone who voted for Brexit is not nearly as smart as me and doesn't know anything. I hate them all so much!
The whole world is on the brink of collapse, it's all over.

Those are the types of posts being put up on here - largely by non-Brits who don't even live in the UK.

You are seeing what you want to see and not seeing what's there.

[Denzil_DC]

49. OK, first thing.

Quit trying to boss me around like you've been browbeating numerous people over the past few hours, because it won't work, capiche? I'm not stalking you, you're just frikkin everywhere I look at the moment.

Second thing, nope. I signed up to the DU rules, and I, very much unlike you, currently don't have a hide to my nym, and intend to try to keep it that way by not contravening the new rules and dragging others' words into an argument with you just to "win" something and score points.

If you haven't registered the genuine and serious concerns I talk about, it's likely because you're too caught up in point-scoring and triumphalism to register the fact that the vast majority of UK DUers are in a state of shock right now. Your insensitivity to that is remarkable, and I don't think it's winning anyone over, but then I don't think that's what you're here for.

That concern is apparently shared by quite a few non-UK DUers. Some with professional experience in finance have disagreed with you on your bullishness about the tanking money markets, for instance, but you seem incapable of being open to learning from others who just might have more experience than you do and might actually know what they're talking about.

I'm not responsible for what others like the posters you've parodied post: some will express themselves moderately, some will kneejerk. Welcome to social media.

I picked you up on one of your outbursts on a thread in the UK Group. I'm actually not anxious for a belated reply there, as I've heard more than enough from you for one morning.

"You are seeing what you want to see and not seeing what's there."

Back atcha. In spades.

Tell me, in detail, exactly how this new nirvana you see emerging from this godawful unnecessary mess is going to come about. Actually, don't bother telling me. Tell the leaders of Leave, because they blatantly don't have a fucking clue.

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. You said "the jobs still exist, but are mostly all occupied by immigrants"

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1088&pid=10331

You wanted a link for people to see what you say, you've got it. Now everyone knows how you really feel.

[pampango]

56. We can't see what we don't want to see. n/t

[auntpurl]

75. THANK YOU.

Seriously, thank you. You might get a hide but you have made me feel so much better.

[PaulaFarrell]

54. sorry you don't know what youre talking

I have lived here 25 years and the English are very xenophobic. They hate everyone equally.

[greatauntoftriplets]

62. Here's a take on a famous old newspaper headline.

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[whatthehey]

74. 52% of leave voters cited immigrants as their top reason

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3746/Immigration-is-now-the-top-issue-for-voters-in-the-EU-referendum.aspx

[Surya Gayatri]

25. You are mistaken and misinformed. Nigel Farage IS Brexit personified.

He has made it his life mission and the foundation of his political career to demagogue England and Wales out of Europe.

He will now become notorious as the instigator of the subsequent break-up of the United Kingdom, and ultimately the disintegration of the European Union.

Scotland and Northern Ireland will soon opt to go it alone, Scotland as a sovereign member of the EU and Northern Ireland as part of EU member, the Irish Republic.

England and Wales will end up diminished and isolated.

[Corporate666]

43. You are slandering tens of millions of British people

in saying Farage is representative of them.

He represents a sliver of the Brexit campaign, and the fact that the UKIP has such tiny support in the UK is proof that the vast vast majority of Britons reject him and his party and his message.

[PaulaFarrell]

55. cameron only promised the referendum to stop ukip

This vote was born out of ukip. That's the fact.

[muriel_volestrangler]

59. UKIP came 1st in the 2014 European election, with 27% of the vote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_%28United_Kingdom%29

The first past the post system put many off from voting UKIP in the general election. Plus, Cameron had promised this referendum to try and get them to vote Tory.

[Native]

70. According to the polls, the main reason was anti-immigration. Big time.

[Surya Gayatri]

20. Many of the "leave" partisans and their anti-Europe rantings sound distubingly

similar to Trump supporters' racist, zenophobic ravings.

Retrograde, racist and ignorant.

[Cosmocat]

68. THIS is what conservatives do

in all shape and forms.

ENDLESSLY stir $hit, ENDLESSLY PUSH, every little thing, no matter who contrived or utter bullshit is a defcon 1 referendum on the evil of liberalism.

THEN when they get something and it is a catastrophic disaster, they spin it away.

The stupid is the primary issue, the stupid of people collectively.

But, the media's never ending indulgence of it means we have to keep reliving it.

THIS is what happens when conservatives are indulged. And, every bit of bullshit they spew should be directly challenged, because it all leads to this.

[Surya Gayatri]

21. The UK as you know it will probably not survive.

"Perfidious Albion" displays its historically isolationist and zenophobic colors once again.

The break-up of the already fractious UK can't be far behind Brexit.

Scotland will vote itself out of the UK and into Europe as a sovereign nation.

Sectarian violence will rear its head once again in Northern Ireland.

Republican/Nationalist factions will force a referendum to opt out of the UK and into the Irish Republic.

England and Wales will end up diminished and isolated.

"Leave" partisans will live to regret this. Or, if not them, their children and grandchildren.

The "leave" faction skewed decidedly older, so their days are numbered. That said, the repercussions of their unfortunate choice will outlive them.

Sad day. Racism, isolationism and nationalism have won this battle.

"Perfidious Albion is an anglophobic pejorative phrase used within the context of international relations and diplomacy to refer to alleged acts of diplomatic sleights, duplicity, treachery and hence infidelity (with respect to perceived promises made to or alliances formed with other nation states) by monarchs or governments of Britain (or England) in their pursuit of self-interest and the requirements of realpolitik."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027948426#post11

[Surya Gayatri]

27. And, you are cheering this prospect? How old are you?

Apparently, the European hecatombs of the early and mid-20th Century are not in your frame of reference.

Do you know the rationale for the founding of the European Union?

Read up.

As for France, they are one of the founding and most fervent European supporters, Marine Le Pen's nationalistic, zenophonic demagoguery notwithstanding.

France has been decimated by German nationalism and hegemony too often, not to recognize the vital importance of European unification.

[Surya Gayatri]

33. Healing an ingrown toenail by amputating the leg...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/108810275

It is the creeping intrusion of the EU over the decades, and it's transformation from a common market to a semi-dictatorship that has people concerned.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Rampant zenophobia, racism and UK-centric nationalism are at the heart of this move, NOT concern about your mislabelled "semi-dictatorship".

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027948781

Britan just voted themselves into a depression
Their version of Trump Monkey political fear has won out and now they will pay the price for years to come.

The pound is down 30% since this morning. Our markets will get hammered. DOW is looking like it will open 700 pts down.

Over on the right here they are cheering England's Britan first mentality. This is not good my friends.

[Surya Gayatri]

41. Are we to assume that you are in favor of Trump's "Mexican-financed wall"?

Considering your "concern" about immigration and threatened "genocide", that would seem to be your position.

Immigration is a serious problem, and if you continue to stick your head in the sand, it will lead to genocide.

just

[Surya Gayatri]

44. So, you ARE advocating in favor of Trump's pledge to build a wall along the US' southern border?

I just want to be sure of where you stand on "immigration".

[Recursion]

46. And labor protections in the UK will be lowered

Because the EU rules will no longer force them to keep them. More "fair" for employers, I guess...

[Recursion]

50. Sigh. No.

You should really learn more about this. The UK had to pretty significantly strengthen many of its labor laws to join. They can (and probably will) undo that now.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. This "new" DUer is also in favor of Trump's promised "wall"...surprise, surprise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027948699#post41

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027948699#post42

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027948699#post44

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027948699#post45

[pokerfan]

26. And now Cameron is resigning

[Helen Borg]

35. Not gonna happen...

[pokerfan]

47. He seems to think so...

[greatauntoftriplets]

63. It already has.

[nikto]

30. And let's not forget our own problems here in the good 'ole USA ...

And if that metaphor isn't enough ...

[mainer]

57. Donald Trump's wall is our Brexit

You can't imagine the voters will support it-- until they do. Lessons to be learned here.