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kpete

(72,902 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:07 AM Jun 2016

George Will Leaves the Republican Party over Trump: ‘Make sure he loses’

WASHINGTON – Conservative columnist George Will told PJM he has officially left the Republican Party and urged conservatives not to support presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump even if it leads to a Democratic victory in the 2016 presidential election.

Will, who writes for the Washington Post, acknowledged it is a “little too late” for the Republican Party to find a replacement for Trump but had a message for Republican voters.

“Make sure he loses.
Grit their teeth for four years and win the White House,” Will said during an interview after his speech at a Federalist Society luncheon.

Will said he changed his voter registration this month from Republican to “unaffiliated” in the state of Maryland.

“This is not my party,” Will said during his speech at the event.


https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/06/24/this-is-not-my-party-george-will-goes-from-gop-to-unaffiliated/

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George Will Leaves the Republican Party over Trump: ‘Make sure he loses’ (Original Post) kpete Jun 2016 OP
Glad he went "unaffiliated" because he isn't a Democrat. Frustratedlady Jun 2016 #1
I'd like to see him unaffiliated from a lot more that just the Republican party ToxMarz Jun 2016 #21
Amen to that. Scarsdale Jun 2016 #64
Will is currently searching his theosarus for a response to ou. kairos12 Jun 2016 #67
Good for him. Chemisse Jun 2016 #2
Except that self-interest IS the core Republican principle. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #44
While I congratulate him for coming to his senses, let it be clear that our "big tent" corkhead Jun 2016 #3
He didn't come to his senses Craig234 Jun 2016 #56
"I've created a mahn-ster!" sofa king Jun 2016 #4
No kidding. murielm99 Jun 2016 #55
I recommend the Johnson/Weld ticket for him. roamer65 Jun 2016 #5
More to follow Zambero Jun 2016 #6
My wife joked that this is some elaborate joke. Separation Jun 2016 #62
"Who is this man and why is he in my bed this morning?" struggle4progress Jun 2016 #7
Thread win! yardwork Jun 2016 #9
LOL 47of74 Jun 2016 #41
Classic! That is exactly it!! AllyCat Jun 2016 #58
Maybe because of "beer goggles" or "fear goggles?" Akamai Jun 2016 #66
This is partly your fault, George. yardwork Jun 2016 #8
Yup. The Republican Elites have been busy opening their party's doors to bigots and crazies WIProgressive88 Jun 2016 #32
I hope we win back the states and Congress. yardwork Jun 2016 #33
Ugh...what the hell?! Papers on George Will columns?! You have my sympathy, my friend. WIProgressive88 Jun 2016 #35
It was highly educational. yardwork Jun 2016 #40
It pays to read (or listen if the radio) awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #47
Finally encountered a turd that's too big for even him to swallow. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #10
ANOTHER death rattle from the republican SheriffBob Jun 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #12
So what does this mean? Andy823 Jun 2016 #25
Oh please! rhett o rick Jun 2016 #38
Is it loyalty oath time already? sangfroid Jun 2016 #65
Well stated. chknltl Jun 2016 #27
I bet a moderate/conservative type of Reps irisblue Jun 2016 #29
Wasn't one of those koch boys on the verge of endorsing HRC in an interview? tom_kelly Jun 2016 #48
no not really the April 2016 "interview" on ABC irisblue Jun 2016 #51
KnR George Will Hekate Jun 2016 #13
the party of wealth and privilege and lack of empathy rurallib Jun 2016 #14
The GOP is reaping what it sowed. TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #15
News for George Will FuzzyRabbit Jun 2016 #16
+100x bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #17
+1, wtf did he expect uponit7771 Jun 2016 #28
He was/is an enabler Cosmocat Jun 2016 #34
I suspect that Will, like Buckaroo Bush Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #39
My response? Get fucking lost Will! lunatica Jun 2016 #18
You want some sympathy, Georgie Boy?... Wounded Bear Jun 2016 #19
OMG. I despise George Will and yet even he can't take Trump uhnope Jun 2016 #20
This isn't the Onion? BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #22
Trump Smells Much Worse Night Watchman Jun 2016 #42
The GOP establishment wants Trump to lose. It will teach the GOP base a lesson. RAFisher Jun 2016 #23
maybe Brooks can be next--that'd be two upper-class elitist twits who told the victims of MisterP Jun 2016 #24
Loved what Will said about the likelihood of Trump staying "presidential".. Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #26
Republicans should "grit their teeth" for four years and vote for Hillary? Metro135 Jun 2016 #30
Have never liked George Will libodem Jun 2016 #31
George Wills only principle is What's Good for George Will. Volaris Jun 2016 #57
You and Turd Blossom and all the rat f*ckers and swift boaters deminks Jun 2016 #36
But he'll be back. Furthermore, I would NOT Welcome Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jun 2016 #43
It *IS* your party Will. You built that. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #45
LOL. They should totally resurrect that slogan. N/t Beartracks Jun 2016 #61
Another Republican learning actions have consequences. herding cats Jun 2016 #46
Oh My! malaise Jun 2016 #49
Geez, George, what did you think would happen Ilsa Jun 2016 #50
Years ago I read a linked article, I believe here on DU, regarding the esteemed Mr. Will rufus dog Jun 2016 #52
This announcement is as big as I think it is, right? BobTheSubgenius Jun 2016 #53
I knew kids like this in kindergarten. beastie boy Jun 2016 #54
George Will is best known for ashling Jun 2016 #59
Will is a GOP mouthpiece. This signals there will be a coup attempt at the convention. McCamy Taylor Jun 2016 #60
Too little and too late however Zambero Jun 2016 #69
Only thing he ever did that I like n/t left-of-center2012 Jun 2016 #63
whatever life preserver you throw him DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #68

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
1. Glad he went "unaffiliated" because he isn't a Democrat.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

The Republican party is what people like George Will have made of it. No sympathy from this base.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
64. Amen to that.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jun 2016

Pompous, self-aggrandizing arse. As a democratic supporter, I say we do not want this person in the party.

Chemisse

(31,346 posts)
2. Good for him.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

I have to respect those Republicans who will not simply vote in lock-step with their Party. That means they stand for something. It differs a lot from what I believe, but it's based on principles rather than self-interest.

They make Paul Ryan look like the sleaze that he is.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
3. While I congratulate him for coming to his senses, let it be clear that our "big tent"
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jun 2016

isn't quite big enough to keep him out of the rain.

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
55. No kidding.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

Will and some of the other repubbie chatterers need to own up to the fact that they created Trump the candidate. The same goes for the tea party.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
5. I recommend the Johnson/Weld ticket for him.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jun 2016

Those two sounded more mainstream the other night on CNN than Trumpf.

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
6. More to follow
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jun 2016

The GOP has essentially engineered its own train wreck. Those who retain a future vision for the party are concluding that it needs to be properly blown apart and re-assembled before it can be a viable force in national politics once again. It may take them longer quite a bit longer than 4 years however.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
62. My wife joked that this is some elaborate joke.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:11 AM
Jun 2016

Something along the lines that Ivanka and Chelsea are good friends. Add to that, that Trump and the Clintons know each other and that he is gonna run such a horribly out of control campaign that Hillary will be voted into office.

Sounds far fetched, but Im sure if I googled that, there are probably hundreds or thousands of people typing that past their tin foiled basement.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
66. Maybe because of "beer goggles" or "fear goggles?"
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

Also reminds me of the TV ad of the sight-impaired woman who opens the outside door and let's in a raccoon, thinking it's her cat.

Donald Trump is certainly not your parent's candidate unless your parents wore white sheets and celebrated ignorance.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
8. This is partly your fault, George.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016

This all started in the 1970s and you were one of the architects. You were wrong, George, and your greed and hubris messed up the U.S.

WIProgressive88

(314 posts)
32. Yup. The Republican Elites have been busy opening their party's doors to bigots and crazies
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

for decades. Now the bigots and crazies have taken over, and people like Will, Ryan, and The Koch Brothers want to pretend that they're on some sort of moral high ground when the fact is that if one of the GOP Establishment's candidates had won, they would be courting the same constituency that put Trump over the top. They've been happily feeding this monster--they only regret that now they can't control it. I can't wait to see these bastards have their asses handed to them come November, and I hope, and expect, that it will be a defeat that will leave them down for a longgg time.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
33. I hope we win back the states and Congress.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

I remember George Will's Newsweek columns in the 1970s. My high school civics teacher was a big fan, so we had to write papers on them.

Xenophobia, racism, nationalism, it was all there.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
47. It pays to read (or listen if the radio)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jun 2016

to the other side from time to time. You cant beat them if you don't know how they "think". Yes, it can be taxing.

Response to kpete (Original post)

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
27. Well stated.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

I too feel that our democracy requires ar the very least 2 viable parties. Pointing out how a majority party (in this case our own), can become split by the outside influence of Big Money is well said too.

irisblue

(37,512 posts)
29. I bet a moderate/conservative type of Reps
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jun 2016

will assemble some type of political party. The hardcore rightwing isn't going anywhere as long as Koch dark money keeps funding things.

irisblue

(37,512 posts)
51. no not really the April 2016 "interview" on ABC
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jun 2016

w/ Stephanopoulos was more about how he was very lukewarm about Reps. Dark Money by Jane Mayer is an excellent book about their hard core John Birch - libertarian leanings.

rurallib

(64,688 posts)
14. the party of wealth and privilege and lack of empathy
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

selects a rich, privileged man who cares not one whit about anyone but himself and George Will, one of the voices of said party can't stand it.

FuzzyRabbit

(2,217 posts)
16. News for George Will
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jun 2016

George, you are one of the creators of the current mess that is the Republican Party. My mother taught me to clean up my own mess; I guess yours didn't teach you to do that.

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
17. +100x
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

George Will's vitriol over the years sewed the seeds.

The Tea Party rise from Rick Santelli's tirade against Obama's
desire to help the unemployed with mortgage relief was only
an extension of the rigid thinking of right wing ideologues.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
34. He was/is an enabler
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

He is soft spoken and not prone to the outlandish, completely batshit crazy stuff the party has seen increasingly since the 90s.

But, he enabled Trump like so many other more "moderate" republicans by excusing or at best not speaking out over the last 25 years when republicans/conservatives have said or done the endless stream of mean spirited, crazy as shit they have done, or the millions of times they have whistled at the bigotry Trump out and out espouses.

Trump didn't happen to the republican party ...

Vogon_Glory

(10,297 posts)
39. I suspect that Will, like Buckaroo Bush
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jun 2016

I suspect that Will, like Buckaroo Bush, grew up in a house where colored folks cleaned up after his messes.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
19. You want some sympathy, Georgie Boy?...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jun 2016

It's in the dictionary, somewhere between shit and syphilis.

RAFisher

(466 posts)
23. The GOP establishment wants Trump to lose. It will teach the GOP base a lesson.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jun 2016

They want Trump to lose to show that a racist xenophobe can't win a general election. That's why I don't understand the replace Trump argument. The GOP base will pick someone just as insane in 2020.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
24. maybe Brooks can be next--that'd be two upper-class elitist twits who told the victims of
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

neoliberalism that their time was over
and then they WONDER where Trumpy came from

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Loved what Will said about the likelihood of Trump staying "presidential"..
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

Said it was like going up to the Rolling Stones and asking Mick or Keith to stop playing rock and start playing chamber music

Metro135

(403 posts)
30. Republicans should "grit their teeth" for four years and vote for Hillary?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

Does this idiot think that ANY of their presumptive nominees would be better for the U.S. than Clinton or Sanders?

President Cruz? Christie? Bush? Santorum? How about President Fiorina? Or President Jindal?

I mean . . . PUH-LEEZE

libodem

(19,288 posts)
31. Have never liked George Will
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jun 2016

But I appreciate anyone who stands on principle. Good for him.

Volaris

(11,704 posts)
57. George Wills only principle is What's Good for George Will.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jun 2016

He wants trump to lose and lose huge so he can go back to The Base and tell them 'see we tried it your way and look at what you did. You need to keep paying me MOAR MONIES to tell you what's best.

Fuck him. If the loss is bad enough, he will have to own his part in it. I want the whole damned thing destroyed over there...reduced to a regional party that exists county by county and that's IT.

I want to taste tears, all around. FOR DECADES.

deminks

(11,526 posts)
36. You and Turd Blossom and all the rat f*ckers and swift boaters
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jun 2016

wanted to create a never ending GOPer and PNAC empire. This is your doing. This is the the reality you created. Trump is the ideal candidate for you. He is the logical conclusion to your policies. You and the Kochs cannot run away from it. We will not let you. We will not forget.

Vogon_Glory

(10,297 posts)
37. But he'll be back. Furthermore, I would NOT Welcome
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

But he'll be back.

Furthermore, I would no more sit George Will by the Democratic campfires than the party-changing reactionary Dixiecrats who left the Democratic Party and then set about running our country into the ground. He is not welcome.

They can stay out in the Wilderness until the heat death of the universe as far as I'm concerned.



Response to kpete (Original post)

herding cats

(20,049 posts)
46. Another Republican learning actions have consequences.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jun 2016
In this life, we have to make many choices. Some are very important choices. Some are not. Many of our choices are between good and evil. The choices we make, however, determine to a large extent our happiness or our unhappiness, because we have to live with the consequences of our choices. James E. Faust

Ilsa

(64,371 posts)
50. Geez, George, what did you think would happen
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

after your buddies convinced anyone that would listen that their ridiculous soundbites were great philosophical words to run a country by, and "elites" were ruining everything?
Fuck you, George.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
52. Years ago I read a linked article, I believe here on DU, regarding the esteemed Mr. Will
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jun 2016

See link to a post from Grantcart

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x345504

Point is George is part of the problem, you don't support the crap for years then just get to walk away to save face.


BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
53. This announcement is as big as I think it is, right?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jun 2016

Not in the greater scheme of things, but at least symbolically big news. Dyed-in-the-wool, eats, sleeps and breathes Republican, George Will, who, metaphorically, bleeds red?

I realize that physically, he oozes a sort of blackish-green ichor, but.......still! Holy Shit!

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
54. I knew kids like this in kindergarten.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jun 2016

They make a mess, blame someone else for the mess, throw a tantrum and leave.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
59. George Will is best known for
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jun 2016

Masquerading as an intellectual.

Now it seems he is masquerading as "unaffiliated."

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
69. Too little and too late however
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

The convention spectacle and schism generated by a battle between Trump supporters and plotting enemies would only pound more nails in the GOP's coffin.

DonCoquixote

(13,961 posts)
68. whatever life preserver you throw him
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jun 2016

Make sure it is made of lead.

Many of us are TIRED of seeing the rejected wreckage of the GOP swim to our boat, get pulled on, then get promotoed to Captain, followed the the casting overboard of whatever leftist the center hated.

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