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(This story absolutely takes my breath away!) And per a great suggestion, here is a direct quote from this woman's FB page:
"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away," Sheats wrote in March on her Facebook page, "but that's exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."
A woman fatally shot two of her daughters in a quiet suburb outside Houston before she was killed by a police officer.
Christy Sheats, 42, shot her daughters Taylor Sheats, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17, following a family dispute that spilled out from their home and onto the street in Fulshear, Texas, on Friday.
The mother was killed by a responding police officer after she refused to drop her pistol. Madison was pronounced dead on the scene, while Taylor was airlifted to a hospital where she later died.
Police received an emergency call around 5pm on Friday evening and found daughters Taylor and Madison lying outside in the 6000 block of Remson Hollow Lane.
Christy was still holding a pistol, and a Fulshear police officer was forced to shoot her after she refused to put it down, said Troy Nehls, a Fort Bend County Sheriff.
It is unclear whether Christy was pointing the gun at the responding police officer or at one of her daughters.
Madison was dead by the time authorities arrived on the scene, according to the sheriff's office.
Taylor was airlifted to Texas Medical Center in Houston in critical condition on Friday, and the Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office confirmed she had died by Saturday morning.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659694/Mother-42-killed-police-fatally-shot-two-daughters-aged-22-17-family-dispute-spilled-residential-street-Houston.html#ixzz4CcvhlmRL
doc03
(35,324 posts)they could have defended themselves.
villager
(26,001 posts)now let's discuss the minutiae of specific model numbers and small variances, as a means of claiming nothing can, or should, be done about gun regulation....
doc03
(35,324 posts)argument. It is like as soon as the word gun appears the same ones come out. Sometimes I wonder if they are paid to
do that. They come up with some kind of gun made in the 1600s with pictures that they claim as equal to the AR-15.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)I didn't feel up to taling a screen shot, having to crop it, upload to photobucket, etc.....
October 17, 2010 ·
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Thank you to the best dad in the world, Jason Sheats for making my day amazing
Had an awesome time heart emoticon<3 you
Look at the reply from the father....
Jason Sheats: You are most welcome. You can back me up in a gunfight any day, Annie Oakley! smile emoticon heart emoticon<3 u very very much! {emphasis mine}
October 17, 2010 at 1:50pm
Christy Byrd Sheats That was very sweet of daddy to take you! I'm glad you had a great time! And, you did an amazing job!! Love you!
October 17, 2010 at 1:56pm
Madison Sheats haha thanks and I will any day dad I love shooting
October 17, 2010 at 8:00pm
https://www.facebook.com/madison.sheats?fref=ufi&pnref=story
It looks like Madison hadn't posted since Nov., 2015, but Taylor was recently active about a month ago. Check out her post from April 28th...
April 28 · Klein, TX ·
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Casual reminder that I do support the Second Amendment but this is just some food for thought:
The picture below says "SOME refugees might be bad, so we can't chance it. SOME perverts might take advantage, so we can't chance it. WHOA! don't punish me because SOME gun owners are nutjobs!
https://www.facebook.com/taylor.a.sheats?fref=ufi&pnref=story
****NOTE**** If this violates the "No Personal Info" policy, please let me know and I will self delete, but was all taken from checking out the mother's Facebook page, which was posted below...
My heart breaks for the 2 girls.. they seemed very smart, and were very talented...
Peace,
Ghost
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)what... 11 years old, and her dad telling here that she was a "regular Annie Oakley", and she could "have his back in a gunfight anytime"???
I was an expert marksman with a BB gun and a .22 rifle when I was 11 years old, having gotten my first BB gun at the age of 5, and first .22 rifle at 7, but I was not allowed to TOUCH them without my father, mother or grandmother around.... only with my father around with the .22, but my mom, or grandmother who lived with us, could sit out in the back yard with me while I shot at targets with my BB gun. I could hit a bottle cap dead center from 30 yards, or hit an empty .22 shell casing at the same distance. However, MY father would never, EVER, say that I could "have his back in a gunfight"!
My dad was ex-Navy, and a Trades Union member. My grandfather, who died when my dad was 17, was a founding member of the Local Union, and was a retired Navy Veteran who was injured during a Japanese bombing raid at Guadal Canal. The blast blew him against a tree, breaking his back, and also caught a piece of shrapnel about 6 to 8 inches long and 2 inches thick. He spent over a month on a hospital ship, then 8 months in a hospital in the Phillipines before being shipped back to the States, where he was later diagnosed with Lymphoma, and didn't last barely 2 months after the diagnosis. That's when my dad joined the Navy, so he could take care of his mother, and keep the house that my grandfather had built. He served 8 years and got out just before Vietnam, then joined the Union. The Union gave him credit for his 8 years of Service, and that's how he just got his 60 year Membership Pin last November, at the age of 77.
I, personally, think that EVERY PARENT, whether you own guns or not, should teach their children gun safety so they at least know what, and what NOT, to do should they ever encounter one laying out in the open, no matter if it's at their own house, a friends house, on the street, in a park, or at school. DO NOT TOUCH IT! GO GET AN ADULT! TOUCHING IT COULD CAUSE YOU TO HURT OR KILL YOURSELF, OR ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS! *Educating* your child/ren doesn't mean that you have to like, or condone guns, but it COULD save their life, or the lives of others, by taking away their 'natural curiosity' and wanting to touch the 'forbidden fruit'* (*for lack of a better term right now).
It wouldn't have prevented this latest tragedy, but could have affected many others, where a child finds a gun laying around, picks it up out of curiosity/fascination, and winds up shooting themselves or someone else. MANY of those wouldn't have happened if the child had been taught to NOT TOUCH IT, and GO GET AN ADULT...
Peace,
Ghost
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)and leave if they are visiting somewhere.
Also if any older siblings or parents " are playing around" with guns in front of them, best to find an excuse to leave. I do not mean target practice but idiots or drunk ,high ,flipping around handguns whatever to show off. Unfortunately sometimes there isn't a real adult mentally, emotionally to go to.
People think they have thier guns well hidden and some never discuss gun education even with their own kids, who may damn well know the parents have a gun and where it is but their parents think they are too young to be exposed to gun education. They don't have to show it to them or where it's at but need to discuss the dangers like you said - it will kill you or someone !
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)safety measures, and what to do to keep themselves as safe as they can. Now if we could just get EVERY parent to do the same, we'd have a generation of well informed youngsters out there that could possibly effect *some kind* of change.
I always have, and always will believe that education, along with taking the 'natural curiosity' and 'glamour', 'iconoclastic appeal', 'attraction', or whatever you want to call it, away from the gun by replacing it with the TRUTH, will go a LOT FARTHER with kids than just telling them "don't ever touch a gun", because without educating them, all you're doing is piquing their interest without telling them the dangers.... and we ALL know that a kid is going to do just the opposite of what you tell them 9 out of 10 times anyways. That's a given, but at least your kids, and mine, were/are also educated about the dangers if they DO decide to touch one anyways.
I truly appreciate your input, and civility, on this issue Person 2713.... I hope you have a wonderful day!
Peace,
Ghost
3catwoman3
(23,971 posts)...childproofing discussion in well visits, as soon as babies are about to start crawling. As kids get to school age, I advise that parents politely ask the parents of playmates about access to weapons in the playmates home. Around age 10, I ask kids themselves what they would do if a friend offered to show them a gun.
I don't preach about anything, I just raise safety risks.
Many people have expressed their appreciation for these discussions, and any number have been momentarily shocked when they realize that they never thought about friends and neighbors having guns.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)parents, and giving them a starting place to educate their children for their own safety. Is there any way that you could get your hands on some 'gun safety' or 'hunter's safety' booklets to leave behind, so even the parents who don't own guns can have something to educate themselves, and their children, with?? It's hard to teach them when you don''t have a solid foundation ro begin with....
I don't know where you live, but I would be willing to bet that the local Game Warden, or someone from your Regional Office, would be more than willing to help you out with that.
Keep up the great work that you are doing, and may you impact MANY lives!
Peace,
Ghost
3catwoman3
(23,971 posts)...of the greater Chicago area. I have been a pediatric nurse practitioner for 40 years, so I'm pretty sure I have influenced thousands of families in that time. I've been doing the weapons chat for at least 20 of those 40 yrs.
I like your idea. I am the only NP in a 10 member pediatric group. As such, I am an employee, not a partner, and would have to clear something like that with the 8 docs who are partners, and I'm sure you know how slow a process it can be to get more than 2 people to agree to something.
A pediatrician in a different suburb is one of the ones who brought suit against the town of Highland Park IL for their ban of assault weapons. He is a father of five and very unhappy that he couldn't keep such a weapon in his home.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-highland-park-assault-weapons-20151030-story.html
Please do not anybody bother to get into a semantic argument about my use of the term "assault weapon.'"
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)that doesn't make us gun nuts. Some people do hunt in order to eat, you know.
Separation
(1,975 posts)This is the mother, taken straight from her facebook page! Fuck this >insert name< !!!! She is so god damned worried about the Dems taking her guns! WTF!! I wonder if anyone else has seen this. I went down the Facebook Rabbit Hole looking at the link you provided and ended up on her page and then found this doozy...You are going to have to click on the link to see the text.
http://imgur.com/SyyZqr9
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Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I was much more impressed by a ~10 year old boy in a segment on Sunday Morning just now. He asked an artist visiting his school a question, the artist turned the question around and asked him how he thought her art rated. He replied saying that he didn't know, he hadn't lived a lifetime. He knew that he didn't know. If you spend a lot of time telling people how smart you are, you probably aren't all that smart.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)... from where they commented on her post about the new rollercoasters at Kings Island. Did you see the post right below that one, where she claimed to have a Ph.D? A lot of her more recent posts seemed to be filled with bible thumping quotes, which really has no bearing, and she thought of herself as an "Educated Southern Lady".
What surprised me the most was that the oldest daughter seemed to be taking a lot of "Liberal Arts" courses, and the younger one was a very talented artist herself.
I can only speculate as to what made her "snap", so I will wait for more information to become available to see.
Peace,
Ghost
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)https://gyazo.com
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)to its knees. Shoot my mom before she shoots me, that's their solution. Cannot even consider mental health situations where guns need to be restricted or any other common sense reform.
Let's sit at the table and agree we are not out to take everyone's guns, but yes there should be several common sense rules like minimum age before you can have a gun license including taking a real gun safety class and passing a test.
We have to try to do something, Republicans better wake up and cancel their arms manufacturor's checks and do some trading, something!
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)MANY States, including mine, REQUIRE a "Hunter's Safety Certificate", from a State approved instructor, before they will issue you a hunting license. My County is bordered by the Tennessee River and a very large, man-made lake (Watts Bar Lake). Watts Bar Dam, along with Watts Bar Nuclear Plant, are 5 miles from my home. The local Game Warden teaches a class at the Elementary Schools, the Middle School (Jr. High) and High School every year on Hunter's Safety *and* Boater's Safety. The schools also give him access in the evenings to teach classes to those past school age, but still affected by the law, as it pertains to anyone born on, or after, Jan 1, 1969. The birth date changes each year, but basically covers anyone UNDER 47 years old.
I have taken the course at least 4 times in TN, 2 times in GA and once in FL... even though I didn't HAVE to after the first time I took it in High School. I still had my original laminated card, but figured that a refresher course could NEVER do any harm. If you are under 35 years old, you MUST carry that card with you any time you are hunting, and must be able to produce it, your hunting license *and* Driver's License, or State Issued I.D. Card, if requested to do so by a Game Warden. I have seen idiots lose their trucks, boats, guns *and* freedom, by coming in with illegally poached deer, bear, turkey or waterfowl. Do I feel sorry for them?? Not even the tiniest bit! My brother-in-law's brother was recently hit with 15 trout over the limit... at $125 PER FISH! Dumbass!!!!
I own guns, but have no problems with *some* restrictions, but I will NEVER support banning, confiscation or 'voluntary' turn-ins. If you want MY gun, pay me fair market value for it, and I will consider it. I'm trying to sell my only 'REAL' gun that I have left right now anyways, because I need tires for my car. I NEED the tires, but don't NEED the gun.
Peace,
Ghost
Javaman
(62,517 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)what a tragedy
I'd say the gun fetish was the core problem.
Likely contributors to the tragedy were alcohol and/or other common drugs such as methamphetamine, etc..
Antidepressants are not the first thought that pops into my head.
This is very clearly a case of malignant U.S.A. gun culture.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)I just wondered if this was the case here because it seems so (from what I have read) escalated and out of the blue.
hunter
(38,310 posts)But so many of them are, it's only to a lesser degree.
Personally I can't imagine any sort of person I'd want to shoot and I know the "self defense" argument is bullshit. I don't even trust cops with guns.
For every stupid and highly twisted "self-defense" story the gun fetishists glean from the news, there are dozens of stories of people getting shot who didn't deserve to get shot.
Once the guns come out everything is FUBAR. That's my personal experience and that's the awful statistics.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)I didn't say anything about self defense either.
hunter
(38,310 posts)Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of gun violence than perpetrators of it.
Personally, I've been on the merry-go-round of antidepressants for a long time.
Even in my most dysfunctional states I've never experienced a desire to shoot anyone, not even in my imagination.
I can't imagine how horrible it is to live life imagining you might have to shoot someone someday.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)and I am sure there are multiple reasons for this shooting
to simply bleat out "gun culture" as the be all and end all of factors and to start up false fights with posters is not a productive way to stop these horrific acts of violence
hunter
(38,310 posts)... and I do find the "mental illness" arguments highly offensive and a distraction frequently used by gun fetishists.
What's my assumption here?
If you don't consider yourself part of malignant U.S.A. gun culture, I'm not talking about you.
If you are a member of the NRA, however, I may be talking about you.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)The patrons of Pulse are members of a community I care deeply about. I have close friends and family who might have been there had they been visiting Orlando that day.
I also live in a city where gun violence is a very serious problem.
Fools with guns do not make the world a better place.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)insane buildup of hundreds of millions of guns in private hands. My only concern is that we do it in constitutionally sound ways (not talking about the 2nd amendment per se).
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)Siwsan
(26,259 posts)It does, however, make me feel very, very sick to the depth of my soul.
doc03
(35,324 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)enid602
(8,612 posts)Serves those brats right for using up tje last of the Acquanette.
Are you blaming the kids for getting shot?
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
I think the writer was showing that the mom probably blew a fuse over a trifle matter.
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herding cats
(19,559 posts)http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-killed-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Siwsan
(26,259 posts)herding cats
(19,559 posts)It needs to be seen.
herding cats
(19,559 posts)Now all but one of them is dead... By a family member wielding a gun against them they mistakenly thought they needed to keep them "safe" from danger.
People are so brainwashed and confused. It hurts my heart when I read about incidents such as this one.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)but to kill her family.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)"Democrats Know that When High Treason is Defined, his Picture Should be Included."
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Ilsa
(61,694 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)match her cold, dead heart
struggle4progress
(118,274 posts)phylny
(8,378 posts)Initech
(100,062 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)poor impulse control or momentary anger.
What a horrific tragedy for the father to witness.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)But they have not released the reason. But really - when there are multiple police calls to a house, it generally is an indication of serious domestic problems in the household.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Guns don't make you safer. Guns make everyone around you less safe.
mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)to be killed by a gun.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)He was home when all this happened, but he didn't do anything to stop the mother.
I'm guessing these idiots expected him to pull out a .44 Mag and tell the mother to go ahead and make his day
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What the heck are you talking about?
kcr
(15,315 posts)Comments that there was something wrong with him that he didn't stop her, calling him a coward, etc.
drray23
(7,627 posts)She probably shot her daughters after she learned they were having sex or something like that. Would not surprise me.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)"In a relationship with Juan Sebastian Lugo"
Mama was a right wing, religious whack job originally from Alabama, so not a far stretch to think she was racist, too...
All of this madness has GOT to end!
Peace,
Ghost
womanofthehills
(8,693 posts)She and her boyfriend did not like Donald Trump. She has John Oliver anti Trump videos on her Facebook page. Mom must not have been happy with this. If you scroll down , there are quite a few anti Trump posts. Taylor on Trump - "I don't even have to write anything negative about him. His actions and words alone do that for me." "Trump's weak opening speech at the University of Houston was laughable at best. I mean, his entire candidacy is laughable but wow. That was incredibly unimpressive. He sounds like a 12-year-old running for class president, not a candidate running for the position of President of the United States of America."
She also mentions she has general anxiety disorder and was starting a group for emotional stresses at college.
https://www.facebook.com/taylor.a.sheats
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)With zero factual support. Pretty shameful.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)She was a right wing nutjob and loved her guns and the Second Amendment that she didn't want the Kenyan usurper a-triflin' with.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)So sick of hearing about these tragedies.
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)"That oughtta fix him."
Yup. Just squeezed in there under the wire.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)and these people wonder WHY so many of us want reasonable gun laws. Unreal.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Would have prevented this tragedy?
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)It was an honest question. What gun law would have prevented this tragedy?
phylny
(8,378 posts)people in homes where the police had to visit for domestic disturbances several times lose the right to own guns until the people involved have counseling and undergo psychological testing to be sure they're not a danger to themselves, their families, or the community.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Response to Siwsan (Original post)
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LisaL
(44,973 posts)in a tub.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Siwsan
(26,259 posts)I can't stop shaking my head over that mentality.
Given there were multiple police calls to the house, before this happens, more will likely be 'leaked' about the true state of the household.
brush
(53,764 posts)I wonder if there is any m/c gang affiliation. Or drugs...
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Squinch
(50,943 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)And that FB post was strange.
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)just because I'm in a mood tonight.
I think Mom gets a Darwin award!
Normally Darwin awards are given to someone who a) dies by their own stupidity and b) does so before they have children and pass along their stupidity genes.
This Mom (and I use the term loosely) qualifies because she off'd her own 2 daughters before THEY had a chance to procreate and then committed suicide by cop. Hopefully she has no other children... and her daughters she blew away in a frenzy of 2nd amendment "freedum" also died without passing on her genetics.
Yeah Freedum!
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)she was a "responsible gun owner".
Yeah, that gun went a long way toward defending her family...oops, maybe she meant destroying.