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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:09 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

Across the country, the SCOTUS decisison re abotion, really undermines T.R.A.P.

Sure, a constitutional amendment declaring that life begins at conception gets the lion's share of the outrage on the left, but it never should have. It is, as many in the pro-choice community have said for years, a classic feint- "look over here, look over here"- while from coast to coast, this century, Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers has been the work horse of the anti-choice movement. It would be hard to overstate how damnably effective T.R.A.P. has been, in state after state in shutting down clinics and shutting out docs who perform abortions.

The decision yesterday regarding the onerous Texas regulations will impact other states with similar regulations, but it's important to remember that not all T.R.A.P. regulations in every state where they've been enacted were covered in the Texas decision.

It was a good, important first step in reversing the onerous burdens that have been placed on women seeking abortions in many states, but it's still just a first step.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/27/483698407/fallout-from-supreme-court-ruling-against-texas-laws-abortion-restrictions

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Across the country, the SCOTUS decisison re abotion, really undermines T.R.A.P. (Original post)	cali	Jun 2016	OP
K&R...	spanone	Jun 2016	#1
WI is a classic case of Repugs putting in regulations these last years.	riversedge	Jun 2016	#2
Texas, Wisconsin, MS, LA, and on and on	cali	Jun 2016	#3
Exactly. These TRAP laws were always where the real battle was being fought.	vintx	Jun 2016	#4
There is now a clear test.	MohRokTah	Jun 2016	#5
For the party that complains endlessly about government regulations- even good sensible regulations	Proud Liberal Dem	Jun 2016	#6
That is an excellent point.	cali	Jun 2016	#7
Because the uterus is a deadly weapon that must be tightly regulated.	Orrex	Jun 2016	#8
I should alert on you for using the word "uterus" in public	elljay	Jun 2016	#12
if only a uterus were a gun!!!!	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#15
Same-sex marriage	Matrosov	Jun 2016	#16
GOOD!	libodem	Jun 2016	#9
Agreed...	Wounded Bear	Jun 2016	#10
Key Question asked by SCOTUS: "Has this law ever helped any women have a safer abortion"	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2016	#11
Exactly n/t	SickOfTheOnePct	Jun 2016	#13
I got the strong sense	localroger	Jun 2016	#18
first steps, it's a start and as necessary and as usual changes are made incrementally	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#14
We ought to push back in a similar pattern.	DirkGently	Jun 2016	#17
Agreed. We need to push back, and HARD. And EVERYWHERE.	calimary	Jun 2016	#21
k and r	niyad	Jun 2016	#19
Legal recourse is necessarily ad-hoc...	malthaussen	Jun 2016	#20

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:11 PM

spanone (131,464 posts)

1. K&R...

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:12 PM

riversedge (64,081 posts)

2. WI is a classic case of Repugs putting in regulations these last years.

In Wisc 88 Retweeted
BadgerStew ‏@BadgerStew 22m22 minutes ago

BadgerStew Retweeted Governor Walker

Dipshit governor thinks judicial branch isn't an equal pillar of govt & 5-3 Supreme Court rulings shouldn't count.

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Today's decision from a divided court is a prime example of activist jurists imposing their will on the people.

..........................

Wisconsin Strong ‏@WisconsinStrong 31m31 minutes ago

Wisconsin Strong Retweeted WI AG Brad Schimel

Shorter @WisDOJ : I got nothing.

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WI AG Brad Schimel Verified account
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My statement re: today's U.S. Supreme Court decision in case involving a Texas abortion law: http://ow.ly/qvpa301GoFq

Attorney General Brad Schimel Statement on U.S. Supreme Court Ruling in Whole Women’s Health v. Hellerstedt
Jun 27 2016

MADISON, WI – Attorney General Brad Schimel issued the following statement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Whole Women’s Health v. Hellerstedt:

“Today’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling on a Texas abortion law is disappointing and undermines the respect due to policy makers.

“Wisconsin is defending a similar law in a case before the Supreme Court and we expect a decision in the near future.”

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:15 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

3. Texas, Wisconsin, MS, LA, and on and on

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/spibs/spib_TRAP.pdf

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:19 PM

vintx (1,748 posts)

4. Exactly. These TRAP laws were always where the real battle was being fought.

So good to see this step towards regaining access for so many women.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:21 PM

MohRokTah (15,429 posts)

5. There is now a clear test.

This means regulatory laws of abortion providers in 23 states will likely be overturned.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:24 PM

Proud Liberal Dem (22,839 posts)

6. For the party that complains endlessly about government regulations- even good sensible regulations

they sure love and will fight tooth and nail for.....government (over)regulation- when it comes to certain things like abortion clinics. And it's all couched in their "concern" for women's health.

Good to see that there are at least SOME lines that SCOTUS thinks are way too far to cross.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:25 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

7. That is an excellent point.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:53 PM

Orrex (61,368 posts)

8. Because the uterus is a deadly weapon that must be tightly regulated.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:33 PM

elljay (1,178 posts)

12. I should alert on you for using the word "uterus" in public

I believe the correct term is "lady parts".

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:40 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

15. if only a uterus were a gun!!!!

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:50 PM

Matrosov (1,098 posts)

16. Same-sex marriage

They try to make a case for states' rights when it comes to same-sex marriage, and they tell the federal government to stay out of it and let the people of the states decide.. Yet which party is also the one that thought it would be great if the Constitution could be amended to define marriage between a man and a women and essentially outlaw same-sex marriage through the federal government? Yup.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:53 PM

libodem (19,288 posts)

9. GOOD!

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:04 PM

Wounded Bear (52,188 posts)

10. Agreed...

Fight is far from over. The forced birthers think they have God on their side. Personally, I think their "moral" support comes from someone a bit lower on the cosmic scale.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:24 PM

Bernardo de La Paz (42,066 posts)

11. Key Question asked by SCOTUS: "Has this law ever helped any women have a safer abortion"

Answer came back "No".

On that basis the Court ruled that the laws were intended to be restrictive not supportive.

That line of reasoning is decisive and powerful and knocks TRAP crap out of the game.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:33 PM

SickOfTheOnePct (5,943 posts)

13. Exactly n/t

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 06:47 PM

localroger (3,021 posts)

18. I got the strong sense

...that one thing the justices found offensive at the oral testimony is that it was obvious that the justification for the bill was a lie, the state's lawyers knew it was a lie, and they knew the justices knew it was a lie and expected them to nod and wink and go along with it. And while judges as a class can be very conservative they hate being overtly lied to.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:39 PM

Sheepshank (12,504 posts)

14. first steps, it's a start and as necessary and as usual changes are made incrementally

it's the realistic way things have to be done with a recalcitrant House.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:52 PM

DirkGently (12,151 posts)

17. We ought to push back in a similar pattern.

As you say, one thing conservatives have done well is make these wildly over-the-top demands, then "settle" for something that is still extreme, but less so by comparison. They have successfully pushed the idea of "reasonable" restrictions on abortion to absurd levels.

We're playing defense, constantly, as they chip away. Always trying to sound reasonable in the face of ridiculous arguments.

Just as some of our better Democrats are now pushing to expand Social Security, rather than sit idle while Wall Street formulates attack after chiseling attack, we should push back for affirmative rights.

Start with a proposed Amendment to guarantee a woman's right to choose. Pivot to a state-by-state protective scheme.

More people support reproductive rights than don't. But they're being pulled out from under us nonetheless.

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 12:22 PM

calimary (70,110 posts)

21. Agreed. We need to push back, and HARD. And EVERYWHERE.

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 12:07 PM

niyad (89,692 posts)

19. k and r

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 12:14 PM

malthaussen (15,351 posts)

20. Legal recourse is necessarily ad-hoc...

... justice on a case-by-case basis, because our legislative apparatus is not inclined to grant justice on the national level.

-- Mal

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